hey can anyone help me out with the jackson racing supercharger kit? i'm looking at getting a supercharger kit for my b16a2 and i just need to know what type of psi i could run on my stock motor and also what type of number's i could see at my max boost pressure on my stock motor. on the tuning aspect what exactly am i gonna need to do along with this supercharger kit? does any of the stuff i need come with the jackson kit? i briefly talked to someone about it that has some knowledge and said i would need something to control my fuel/air and said the Apexi Controller could do that AND control VTEC. suggestions anyone?

 

6 PSI with the FMU and fuel enrichment relay that come with the kit, that should net you a little less than 200 WHP, but you'll want some type of timing control or drivability will suffer, the easiest/cheapest being the JR MAP controller.

8 PSI with some kind of tunable engine management and larger injectors, find out what a good Honda tuner near you likes and use that. That should net you 200-225 WHP and is a lot of fun.

 

yeah i was thinking about 8 psi. so i'll need new injectors and some sort of an engine managment like hondata? how much will all of this cost and is there something that's better than hondata? i do have a budget so the best bang for my buck would be awesome.

 

i personally run hondata and love it. its a good bang for the buck. People over here also have been getting their engines tuned with chrome

 

Hondata is fine, but it's not as nice if the nearest good Hondata tuner is a 12-hour drive away, so find a good local tuner and see what they like to tune.

Some people get away with 8 PSI -w- the FMU, but some don't, and it didn't take much detonastion to bust the ring lands off of my OEM B16A2 pistons, so I prefer to be cautious.

 

There are several routes you can go for tuning. I personally have been running Crome for 2 years and haven't had any problems. I do plan to upgrade to either Neptune or Hondata just for the ease of usage. My issue with Crome is that i can't easily change settings on the ECU (like my 2-step). Be sure that whichever EMS you chose, that you get a good tune...that's the most important part of any setup

 

alright i'll look around for a hondata now to go along with the hondata should i get the JR map controller like rmcdaniels said or do i not need it? will i still need to get a controller for the fuel like the Apexi FMU?

 

If you run Hondata, Crome, ect, you will not need any of the JR stuff. You will need a set of larger injectors (min 440 cc/min) but 550s would be better IMO. You may want to upgrade your fuel pump also. I am running a Walbro 190 myself

 

oh okay so hondata will be everything aside from the stuff that already comes with the kit. i also just talked to a local speed shop and they can do hondata so as long as hondata is only thing i need aside from the kit it looks like i'm good to go? or do i need more stuff? i'll be getting a boost gauge later on but i just want to make sure i have all the essential stuff now so i can get it tuned.

 

Injectors, OBD1 injector clips, OBD2-OBD1 adapter harness:


http://www.hondata.com/tech_jrscinstall.html

 

no one told me i needed new sensors...

 

I'm assuming that with a B16A2 you have an EM1, which has the sensor in the air pipe before the throttle body. For Hondata (or any other tunable ECU) to work right, you need an OBD1 sensor to mount in the SC manifold so it can tell how hot the charge air is. They sell for $11 brand new from Honda (part # 15, also get the o-ring if you don't already have one, part #18):

http://www.hondaautomotivepart...FOLD

 

alright well if i need that to that's alright cause it's cheap...just don't get how no one else has told me anything about this sensor. i've heard about map controllers, ECU, FMU, Injectors but nothing about sensors...weird

 

I've seen one installed professionally by a well known shop and tuned there for big $ that was still using the EM1 IAT. It ran like **** and didn't make much power.

 

oh okay...so add it all up i should need 400cc injectors, hondata and the sensor. would that be everything? also to run 8 psi on the supercharger do i have to get the upgraded addon to run 8 psi of boost instead of the 6 psi?

 

Here's a list, others can chime in on anything I may have over looked
Hondata
OBD2 to OBD1 conversion harness- because you need OBD1 to tune Hondata
Supercharger kit-They have options w/ Hondata and injectors and different pulleys, stay w/ 8 though, this is probally more expensive because it's it's a kit, not for sure though
Injectors(440 or 550) if you don't choose above option
Fuel pump(Walbro)- probally not a neccesity but for piece of mind
sensor
obd1 injector clips

fuel pressure regulator??
and I see a clutch upgrade in your future, g/l

 

okay so what your telling me is i need all this stuff to run 8 psi safely?
-hondata
-OBD2 to OBD1 conversion harness
-440 injectors
- Fuel Pump upgrade
- Sensor
- Injector clips

there's no way i need all that run 8 psi...maybe 10+ i could see but no way i'm ever gonna be running more than probabally 9 MAYBE 10 but just for now i'm gonna run 8. and with the jackson kit is it able to run 8 psi instead of the stock 6 psi that it says it will run or do i have to get the stage 2 upgrade kit to?

 

what does everything think about this kit below. it comes with 3 different size pulley's for 6, 8 and 11 psi. it also comes with injectors and hondata s3000. that looks like exactly what i need it comes with everything i need. thoughs?

http://www.supercharger.com/Sh...38962

 

Damn, for that much $ I'd sell you my JRSC kit, which is 10x better than that one.

 

haha i just want a kit that comes with EVERYTHING i need. i hate having to buy more parts after i've already bought a kit. especially since i'm just getting into the whole tuning cars aspect and i don't know what works with what. what engine you got and what type of numbers are you getting on your car? should i be atleast 200+ WHP with the 8 psi pully? i'll also be getting the hondata tuned at a local speed shop. is it possible?

 

I know it is a bit more boost than you are planning on running...but:

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1785488

 

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200+ is easily possible, I made 225 on a B16A2 -w- 25% leakdown from cracked ringlands.

Mine doesn't have engine management or injectors, but those are cheap and easy to get. Check the JRSC thread for some nice Endyn/LHT setups, there are good deals in there from time to time:

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread/1214810

A really nice setup with a LHT intercooler and management/injectors/everything went for $2500 in there recently.

 

the new supercharger systems have E-cards that control all the stuff you mighht be dealing with. one word of advice is to get the supercharger, it really is a torque adder

 

thank you EVERYONE for all the help. just another question that the local speed shop told me is with the supercharger kit what happens is the power drops off at about 7 grand. with the turbo kit the guy said the power is constant all the way from when it spools all the way to redline. so is this guy bullshitting me or does the power really drop off on a supercharger in the higher rpms?

 

No, a B16A2 supercharger kit doesn't have an E-card.
The 02-05 systems have a digital fuel controller card, but none of the B-series stuff has one.

SC kits with misaligned or improperly tensioned belts drop off at higher RPM's, as well as overdriven kits that try to push more air than the SC can handle, but a properly set up kit on a B16 should pull hard to redline. JR has a dyno chart of a basic kit on a B16A2:

http://www.supercharger.com/Cu...i.gif


Here's a dyno of my JRSC on my old 2.2L B-series:



It pulled hard to 8000 as well.