Anyone playing with E85 yet in their turbo motor?
05-04-2006, 09:49 AM
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Re: (Full-Race Geoff)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Full-Race Geoff »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">brake specific fuel consumption (it needs more fuel)
i really like the idea of e85</TD></TR></TABLE>
I've been planning on converting my daily-driver (1.5L 8-valve CX motor) to it for some time but I've been too busy/lazy
I've got a couple cars lined up who want to tune with it, so (pending customer approval) I'll post it up 
My wife's car will use it too haha
i really like the idea of e85</TD></TR></TABLE>
I've been planning on converting my daily-driver (1.5L 8-valve CX motor) to it for some time but I've been too busy/lazy
I've got a couple cars lined up who want to tune with it, so (pending customer approval) I'll post it up My wife's car will use it too haha
05-04-2006, 10:15 AM
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hey jeremy, how long have you guys had it for? We just got lucky
http://www.e85fuel.com/news/041406_az_release.htm
http://www.e85fuel.com/news/041406_az_release.htm
05-04-2006, 10:27 AM
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Re: (Full-Race Geoff)
the twin cities have a bunch of stations selling e85...maybe a dozen or so, a few within 5 miles of my house. I hear it's worse for the coasts...
05-04-2006, 11:23 AM
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The only thing i look for the different qualities of e85. Some stations say on the pump that it's only 70% minimum ethanol and some say 85% minimum. I always try to get the 85%. I know that Holiday Station i filled at in the Cities had 85%.
05-05-2006, 08:53 AM
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Re: (Full-Race Geoff)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by LeGeND4LiFe »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">NO e85 publically available in the whole state of NY </TD></TR></TABLE>
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Right on, are you considering trying it in the monster? 
To tell teh truth, I have no idea how long we've had it... but I'm finally getting some people who want to play with it, and I'm excited
To tell teh truth, I have no idea how long we've had it... but I'm finally getting some people who want to play with it, and I'm excited
05-05-2006, 10:42 AM
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I'm in a hurry, but here's my 2cents.
You need more ethanol than gas, unless you take the proper steps of increasing timing (and compression). You can also run fairly lean while cruising, meaning you don't use much more ethanol than gas while cruising. It also burns cooler, which means even more timing/compression can be used.
Switching over from gas to E85 and ONLY scaling your maps won't get 'crazy' gains, obviously. Just like taking a tune safe for 91 octane gasoline and switching to 100 octane ras gas - NO benifit [unless you increase timing/boost/compression]. Same with E85. You have to optimize for it. More timing/leaner cruising means it balances out the 9.7:1 stoich number.
I'd rather run E85 for more than a few reasons, screwing the middle east being at the top.
You need more ethanol than gas, unless you take the proper steps of increasing timing (and compression). You can also run fairly lean while cruising, meaning you don't use much more ethanol than gas while cruising. It also burns cooler, which means even more timing/compression can be used.
Switching over from gas to E85 and ONLY scaling your maps won't get 'crazy' gains, obviously. Just like taking a tune safe for 91 octane gasoline and switching to 100 octane ras gas - NO benifit [unless you increase timing/boost/compression]. Same with E85. You have to optimize for it. More timing/leaner cruising means it balances out the 9.7:1 stoich number.
I'd rather run E85 for more than a few reasons, screwing the middle east being at the top.
05-05-2006, 10:57 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by HiProfile »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'd rather run E85 for more than a few reasons, screwing the middle east being at the top.</TD></TR></TABLE>
That's exactly how I feel. With my budget $375 dollar gx engine. I believe that this would be an ideal candidate for an e85 conversion. With an adjustable cam gear, I could adjust the timing accordingly. My main concern is finding someone that can tune this thing
If higher compression is fine for e85, my next question is of course "how high can you go?" I would love to build a d15z1 monster that would sneak under the radar of my vx hatch utilizing a "stock engine" 16:1cr would be awesome. Or, maybe even mitstibishi galant v6 pistons in a sleeved d16 block. hmmm
That's exactly how I feel. With my budget $375 dollar gx engine. I believe that this would be an ideal candidate for an e85 conversion. With an adjustable cam gear, I could adjust the timing accordingly. My main concern is finding someone that can tune this thing
If higher compression is fine for e85, my next question is of course "how high can you go?" I would love to build a d15z1 monster that would sneak under the radar of my vx hatch utilizing a "stock engine" 16:1cr would be awesome. Or, maybe even mitstibishi galant v6 pistons in a sleeved d16 block. hmmm
05-05-2006, 01:43 PM
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Re: (Full-Race Geoff)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Full-Race Geoff »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">one thing i wonder is in the 70% e85, what makes up the mystery 15%
70% ethanol
15% gas (of what octane?)
and 15% mystery juice</TD></TR></TABLE>
c'mon now. you're supposed to be the h-t bandwagon mascot. you should know these things.
with "winter mix" E85 they put 70% ethenol and 30% gas; probably the lowest grade they can find because it does not matter; you're not going to lower the octane enough to break even a 1200whp turbo viper losing that much. They could put water in there and turbo cars would still drink it up like fine wine.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ZacCarter »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">This would be much more fun with a jrsc as well, better alternative to a lht intercooler. Well not better but but you could increase boost.</TD></TR></TABLE> Thats very true! ethenol has a much lower vapor point so it absorbs a lot more heat than gas. E85 + horribly thermally efficient blower = not so bad
j/k i <3 superchargers, just not on hondas
70% ethanol
15% gas (of what octane?)
and 15% mystery juice</TD></TR></TABLE>
c'mon now. you're supposed to be the h-t bandwagon mascot. you should know these things.
with "winter mix" E85 they put 70% ethenol and 30% gas; probably the lowest grade they can find because it does not matter; you're not going to lower the octane enough to break even a 1200whp turbo viper losing that much. They could put water in there and turbo cars would still drink it up like fine wine.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ZacCarter »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">This would be much more fun with a jrsc as well, better alternative to a lht intercooler. Well not better but but you could increase boost.</TD></TR></TABLE> Thats very true! ethenol has a much lower vapor point so it absorbs a lot more heat than gas. E85 + horribly thermally efficient blower = not so bad
j/k i <3 superchargers, just not on hondas
05-05-2006, 09:15 PM
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c'mon now. you're supposed to be the h-t bandwagon mascot. you should know these things.</TD></TR></TABLE>
i guess i got demoted
c'mon now. you're supposed to be the h-t bandwagon mascot. you should know these things.</TD></TR></TABLE>
i guess i got demoted
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Highly biased methanol mix ratios and common gasoline are childs play.
Someone go play with 14:1 + or higher in a built engine thats where ethanol and methanol shine people.
I read a SAE document with a modded 1.9L VW diesel engine that was fitted spark plugs and port injection the result were wow emission wow, power wow, the compression?
19.5:1
Someone go play with 14:1 + or higher in a built engine thats where ethanol and methanol shine people.
I read a SAE document with a modded 1.9L VW diesel engine that was fitted spark plugs and port injection the result were wow emission wow, power wow, the compression?
19.5:1
05-06-2006, 01:57 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by MidShipCivic »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Highly biased methanol mix ratios and common gasoline are childs play.
Someone go play with 14:1 + or higher in a built engine thats where ethanol and methanol shine people.
I read a SAE document with a modded 1.9L VW diesel engine that was fitted spark plugs and port injection the result were wow emission wow, power wow, the compression?
19.5:1 </TD></TR></TABLE>
expletive yeah, i want some 19.5:1 cr, but I'd be worried about my valves slapping my pistons
the question is, which cam should I use in my gx engine? The gx cam or the hx cam. Both will fit, and both have the same sized lobes, however they are different part numbers. (I have an adjustable cam gear) Also, the spark plugs from the gx are unique, and are 13 dollars a piece from the dealer. HMMMMMMmmmm
Someone go play with 14:1 + or higher in a built engine thats where ethanol and methanol shine people.
I read a SAE document with a modded 1.9L VW diesel engine that was fitted spark plugs and port injection the result were wow emission wow, power wow, the compression?
19.5:1 </TD></TR></TABLE>
expletive yeah, i want some 19.5:1 cr, but I'd be worried about my valves slapping my pistons
the question is, which cam should I use in my gx engine? The gx cam or the hx cam. Both will fit, and both have the same sized lobes, however they are different part numbers. (I have an adjustable cam gear) Also, the spark plugs from the gx are unique, and are 13 dollars a piece from the dealer. HMMMMMMmmmm
05-08-2006, 01:13 PM
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c'mon now. you're supposed to be the h-t bandwagon mascot. you should know these things.
with "winter mix" E85 they put 70% ethenol and 30% gas; probably the lowest grade they can find because it does not matter; you're not going to lower the octane enough to break even a 1200whp turbo viper losing that much. They could put water in there and turbo cars would still drink it up like fine wine.
Thats very true! ethenol has a much lower vapor point so it absorbs a lot more heat than gas. E85 + horribly thermally efficient blower = not so bad
j/k i <3 superchargers, just not on hondas</TD></TR></TABLE>
how is the 70% considered e85 when the 85 stands for 85% ethenol
c'mon now. you're supposed to be the h-t bandwagon mascot. you should know these things.
with "winter mix" E85 they put 70% ethenol and 30% gas; probably the lowest grade they can find because it does not matter; you're not going to lower the octane enough to break even a 1200whp turbo viper losing that much. They could put water in there and turbo cars would still drink it up like fine wine.
Thats very true! ethenol has a much lower vapor point so it absorbs a lot more heat than gas. E85 + horribly thermally efficient blower = not so bad
j/k i <3 superchargers, just not on hondas</TD></TR></TABLE>
how is the 70% considered e85 when the 85 stands for 85% ethenol
05-08-2006, 10:55 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by boostedej1 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">how is the 70% considered e85 when the 85 stands for 85% ethenol </TD></TR></TABLE>
its just the winter mix; alcohol is harder to ignite in teh cold so they add more gas to help it lightup
</TD></TR></TABLE>its just the winter mix; alcohol is harder to ignite in teh cold so they add more gas to help it lightup
