Anyone consider running the SP quick spool valve?
03-05-2012, 09:59 AM
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Anyone consider running the SP quick spool valve?
I've been weighing some options on my build and what size turbo and stuff I want to go with and I've been doing some reading and alot of the Turbo Supra guys are having some pretty cool results with the Sound Performance quick spool valve:
http://www.spracingonline.com/store/...ool_Valve/3643
Anyone considered trying one of these out yet? Seems like guys are seeing an increase in spool time and midrange torque as well without sacrificing horsepower. Little pricy but it could be worth a shot for a street car looking for some midrange
http://www.spracingonline.com/store/...ool_Valve/3643
Anyone considered trying one of these out yet? Seems like guys are seeing an increase in spool time and midrange torque as well without sacrificing horsepower. Little pricy but it could be worth a shot for a street car looking for some midrange
03-05-2012, 10:39 AM
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Re: Anyone consider running the SP quick spool valve?
I asked the same question about a year ago and was told to buy a proper sized turbo. I also could not find 1 person on this board using it. I still like the idea but after some thought using a ramhorn manifold the qsv might place the turbo to low to drain properly.
03-06-2012, 09:41 AM
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Re: Anyone consider running the SP quick spool valve?
Has no one really tried this yet?
03-06-2012, 03:33 PM
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prolly cuz most of us dont run twin scroll, i would love to see back to back dyno pulls on a b series with and without qsv.
03-06-2012, 07:32 PM
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Re: Anyone consider running the SP quick spool valve?
You'll need an AEM or a standalone with spare PWM-based outputs, or at least multiple spare general outputs to make it a fully streetable setup.
The main issue lies on the change of VE whenever the valve opens, and it's a big VE change as well.
10 PSI at 0.48 A/R and 10 PSI at 0.96 A/R requires totally different fueling and timing. Thus, the transition point on a speed density engine which runs off PSI-based mapping is very difficult to compensate.
WOT at 7000RPM for example, and the valve "opens" at a pre-determined amount of boost; but once the valve opens, additional fueling and different timing has to be implemented. When the valve opens, boost also drops because the engine is pulling more air but turbine speed is still trying to climb up.
Dual fuel/ign maps is required, and a PWM controlled circuit (to smoothen the transition); and lastly, do it in a fashion that it is quick enough in which you do not feel a "flat spot" when the turbine is trying to build full RPM's is VERY difficult.
The smaller the engine is, the wider this gap in tuning becomes. It may work decent on a Supra with a 71mm turbo, but will not even come close to working well on a 1.8L with a 67mm for example.
The main issue lies on the change of VE whenever the valve opens, and it's a big VE change as well.
10 PSI at 0.48 A/R and 10 PSI at 0.96 A/R requires totally different fueling and timing. Thus, the transition point on a speed density engine which runs off PSI-based mapping is very difficult to compensate.
WOT at 7000RPM for example, and the valve "opens" at a pre-determined amount of boost; but once the valve opens, additional fueling and different timing has to be implemented. When the valve opens, boost also drops because the engine is pulling more air but turbine speed is still trying to climb up.
Dual fuel/ign maps is required, and a PWM controlled circuit (to smoothen the transition); and lastly, do it in a fashion that it is quick enough in which you do not feel a "flat spot" when the turbine is trying to build full RPM's is VERY difficult.
The smaller the engine is, the wider this gap in tuning becomes. It may work decent on a Supra with a 71mm turbo, but will not even come close to working well on a 1.8L with a 67mm for example.
03-06-2012, 08:12 PM
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Re: Anyone consider running the SP quick spool valve?
You'll need an AEM or a standalone with spare PWM-based outputs, or at least multiple spare general outputs to make it a fully streetable setup.
The main issue lies on the change of VE whenever the valve opens, and it's a big VE change as well.
10 PSI at 0.48 A/R and 10 PSI at 0.96 A/R requires totally different fueling and timing. Thus, the transition point on a speed density engine which runs off PSI-based mapping is very difficult to compensate.
WOT at 7000RPM for example, and the valve "opens" at a pre-determined amount of boost; but once the valve opens, additional fueling and different timing has to be implemented. When the valve opens, boost also drops because the engine is pulling more air but turbine speed is still trying to climb up.
Dual fuel/ign maps is required, and a PWM controlled circuit (to smoothen the transition); and lastly, do it in a fashion that it is quick enough in which you do not feel a "flat spot" when the turbine is trying to build full RPM's is VERY difficult.
The smaller the engine is, the wider this gap in tuning becomes. It may work decent on a Supra with a 71mm turbo, but will not even come close to working well on a 1.8L with a 67mm for example.
The main issue lies on the change of VE whenever the valve opens, and it's a big VE change as well.
10 PSI at 0.48 A/R and 10 PSI at 0.96 A/R requires totally different fueling and timing. Thus, the transition point on a speed density engine which runs off PSI-based mapping is very difficult to compensate.
WOT at 7000RPM for example, and the valve "opens" at a pre-determined amount of boost; but once the valve opens, additional fueling and different timing has to be implemented. When the valve opens, boost also drops because the engine is pulling more air but turbine speed is still trying to climb up.
Dual fuel/ign maps is required, and a PWM controlled circuit (to smoothen the transition); and lastly, do it in a fashion that it is quick enough in which you do not feel a "flat spot" when the turbine is trying to build full RPM's is VERY difficult.
The smaller the engine is, the wider this gap in tuning becomes. It may work decent on a Supra with a 71mm turbo, but will not even come close to working well on a 1.8L with a 67mm for example.
03-07-2012, 04:16 AM
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Re: Anyone consider running the SP quick spool valve?
I had originally planned to run a qsv. But after mocking up my turbo setup I realized that with my manifold and a qsv, the turbo would be too low for anything close to proper oil return. I'm glad I didn't figure out a way to make it work now, especially after reading Tony's post. I can see it being a tuner's worst nightmare, lol.
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Re: Anyone consider running the SP quick spool valve?
You'll need an AEM or a standalone with spare PWM-based outputs, or at least multiple spare general outputs to make it a fully streetable setup.
The main issue lies on the change of VE whenever the valve opens, and it's a big VE change as well.
10 PSI at 0.48 A/R and 10 PSI at 0.96 A/R requires totally different fueling and timing. Thus, the transition point on a speed density engine which runs off PSI-based mapping is very difficult to compensate.
WOT at 7000RPM for example, and the valve "opens" at a pre-determined amount of boost; but once the valve opens, additional fueling and different timing has to be implemented. When the valve opens, boost also drops because the engine is pulling more air but turbine speed is still trying to climb up.
Dual fuel/ign maps is required, and a PWM controlled circuit (to smoothen the transition); and lastly, do it in a fashion that it is quick enough in which you do not feel a "flat spot" when the turbine is trying to build full RPM's is VERY difficult.
The smaller the engine is, the wider this gap in tuning becomes. It may work decent on a Supra with a 71mm turbo, but will not even come close to working well on a 1.8L with a 67mm for example.
The main issue lies on the change of VE whenever the valve opens, and it's a big VE change as well.
10 PSI at 0.48 A/R and 10 PSI at 0.96 A/R requires totally different fueling and timing. Thus, the transition point on a speed density engine which runs off PSI-based mapping is very difficult to compensate.
WOT at 7000RPM for example, and the valve "opens" at a pre-determined amount of boost; but once the valve opens, additional fueling and different timing has to be implemented. When the valve opens, boost also drops because the engine is pulling more air but turbine speed is still trying to climb up.
Dual fuel/ign maps is required, and a PWM controlled circuit (to smoothen the transition); and lastly, do it in a fashion that it is quick enough in which you do not feel a "flat spot" when the turbine is trying to build full RPM's is VERY difficult.
The smaller the engine is, the wider this gap in tuning becomes. It may work decent on a Supra with a 71mm turbo, but will not even come close to working well on a 1.8L with a 67mm for example.
03-08-2012, 08:42 AM
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Re: Anyone consider running the SP quick spool valve?
You'll need an AEM or a standalone with spare PWM-based outputs, or at least multiple spare general outputs to make it a fully streetable setup.
The main issue lies on the change of VE whenever the valve opens, and it's a big VE change as well.
10 PSI at 0.48 A/R and 10 PSI at 0.96 A/R requires totally different fueling and timing. Thus, the transition point on a speed density engine which runs off PSI-based mapping is very difficult to compensate.
WOT at 7000RPM for example, and the valve "opens" at a pre-determined amount of boost; but once the valve opens, additional fueling and different timing has to be implemented. When the valve opens, boost also drops because the engine is pulling more air but turbine speed is still trying to climb up.
Dual fuel/ign maps is required, and a PWM controlled circuit (to smoothen the transition); and lastly, do it in a fashion that it is quick enough in which you do not feel a "flat spot" when the turbine is trying to build full RPM's is VERY difficult.
The smaller the engine is, the wider this gap in tuning becomes. It may work decent on a Supra with a 71mm turbo, but will not even come close to working well on a 1.8L with a 67mm for example.
The main issue lies on the change of VE whenever the valve opens, and it's a big VE change as well.
10 PSI at 0.48 A/R and 10 PSI at 0.96 A/R requires totally different fueling and timing. Thus, the transition point on a speed density engine which runs off PSI-based mapping is very difficult to compensate.
WOT at 7000RPM for example, and the valve "opens" at a pre-determined amount of boost; but once the valve opens, additional fueling and different timing has to be implemented. When the valve opens, boost also drops because the engine is pulling more air but turbine speed is still trying to climb up.
Dual fuel/ign maps is required, and a PWM controlled circuit (to smoothen the transition); and lastly, do it in a fashion that it is quick enough in which you do not feel a "flat spot" when the turbine is trying to build full RPM's is VERY difficult.
The smaller the engine is, the wider this gap in tuning becomes. It may work decent on a Supra with a 71mm turbo, but will not even come close to working well on a 1.8L with a 67mm for example.
how about tuning in an alpha-n map?
03-13-2012, 08:46 PM
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Re: Anyone consider running the SP quick spool valve?
Here's a comparison on a big turbo Supra.
http://www.supraforums.com/forum/sho...ck-Spool-Valve
http://www.supraforums.com/forum/sho...ck-Spool-Valve
03-14-2012, 12:56 AM
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Re: Anyone consider running the SP quick spool valve?
You dont need a spare pwm output, you can use an adjustable hobbs/boost switch & mac valve. Very simple & easy to do
Weve used them on multiple types of motors & they work awesome, yes some of them are supras also. Including my own 2j. As far as VE & tuning goes its not all that hard or bad. Most honda builds have,quite an affect & shift or alter or move the VE anyways with the large intake manifolds, cams, head porting & crank changes.
If the VE issue were such an issue we wouldnt be much using any sort of roots blower, or twin charging or turbos with 1.25+ backhousings.
Its not perfection but it does let you cheat the system a bit. for me it was no different then tuning say a small "volvo t3 .42/.48" type turbo in the low end. Boost came on extremely fast & then carried on like normal for the top end once the valve opened.
Imagine being able to use an S475 or S372 as if it,were a 62mm in terms of response?
Its quite fun
Weve used them on multiple types of motors & they work awesome, yes some of them are supras also. Including my own 2j. As far as VE & tuning goes its not all that hard or bad. Most honda builds have,quite an affect & shift or alter or move the VE anyways with the large intake manifolds, cams, head porting & crank changes.
If the VE issue were such an issue we wouldnt be much using any sort of roots blower, or twin charging or turbos with 1.25+ backhousings.
Its not perfection but it does let you cheat the system a bit. for me it was no different then tuning say a small "volvo t3 .42/.48" type turbo in the low end. Boost came on extremely fast & then carried on like normal for the top end once the valve opened.
Imagine being able to use an S475 or S372 as if it,were a 62mm in terms of response?
Its quite fun
03-14-2012, 06:31 AM
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Re: Anyone consider running the SP quick spool valve?
Mike, hook a brother up on a manifold re-fab so I can run the qsv and still have good oil return. And while you're at it, give my wg priority so the creep is no more and we can finally dial in the bbg! 
You charge hourly for something like this?
You charge hourly for something like this?
03-14-2012, 06:50 PM
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Re: Anyone consider running the SP quick spool valve?
we can trim the collector enough to use the QSV and sit the flange higher
03-14-2012, 08:59 PM
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Re: Anyone consider running the SP quick spool valve?
how would this not F**K an engine up? i owuld think with the valve closed on a true twin scroll setup, NO exhaust from cylinders 1 & 3 or 2 & 4 could pass through the manifold and turbo or am i over thinking this?
03-15-2012, 06:52 AM
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Re: Anyone consider running the SP quick spool valve?
In order for this setup to work, you cannot use a divided manifold. Only the turbo's turbine housing is divided. The manifold must be an open manifold.
03-15-2012, 07:11 AM
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Re: Anyone consider running the SP quick spool valve?
Are you stocking the qsvs now or do I need to order one? Also, in regards to the gate, do you keep some S10 pipe laying around? If needed, I have a small piece left over from shortening the wg feed and removing the 38mm flange in favor of the 44mm. And I'm assuming you tig it up pretty? Or am I gonna need to jump in there with a stiff brush to remove mig spatter and paint over the welds after lol!? <--- I don't mind doing this btw. Ha!Basically, I need to have all my ducks in a row if I'm going to make the trip over to Mobile, give the car a chance to cool before we do work, knock everything out, and make it back home the same day.
Think it out thoroughly and shoot me a pm with what I need to provide and a ballpark price for your labor. Thanks, dude!
03-15-2012, 05:10 PM
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Re: Anyone consider running the SP quick spool valve?
Bully dog has had this type of setup out for years with thier "fast spool" valve.
A stock supra acts in this fashion with its variable switching valves to close off a portion of the downpipe to manipulate the stock twins. Its nothing new just a different design. Its a mechanical VGT so to speak in crude terms.
Sounds like a plan! Are you stocking the qsvs now or do I need to order one? Also, in regards to the gate, do you keep some S10 pipe laying around? If needed, I have a small piece left over from shortening the wg feed and removing the 38mm flange in favor of the 44mm. And I'm assuming you tig it up pretty? Or am I gonna need to jump in there with a stiff brush to remove mig spatter and paint over the welds after lol!? <--- I don't mind doing this btw. Ha!
Basically, I need to have all my ducks in a row if I'm going to make the trip over to Mobile, give the car a chance to cool before we do work, knock everything out, and make it back home the same day.
Think it out thoroughly and shoot me a pm with what I need to provide and a ballpark price for your labor. Thanks, dude!
Are you stocking the qsvs now or do I need to order one? Also, in regards to the gate, do you keep some S10 pipe laying around? If needed, I have a small piece left over from shortening the wg feed and removing the 38mm flange in favor of the 44mm. And I'm assuming you tig it up pretty? Or am I gonna need to jump in there with a stiff brush to remove mig spatter and paint over the welds after lol!? <--- I don't mind doing this btw. Ha!Basically, I need to have all my ducks in a row if I'm going to make the trip over to Mobile, give the car a chance to cool before we do work, knock everything out, and make it back home the same day.
Think it out thoroughly and shoot me a pm with what I need to provide and a ballpark price for your labor. Thanks, dude!
I have one more in stock but its spoken for with a deposit right now but can get them almost overnight.
03-16-2012, 11:52 AM
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Re: Anyone consider running the SP quick spool valve?
PM me the ballpark figure, duderz. I have to prepare the wife for the financial damage that is to come. Ain't Skeered!
Also, are you able to pass on any savings on the qsv or is it all the same for me to place the order myself?
I'm ready to see this 60-1 pop off like a JRSC!
06-23-2012, 10:32 AM
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Re: Anyone consider running the SP quick spool valve?
It doesnt say twin scroll its a divided turbine housing with an open manifold.
Bully dog has had this type of setup out for years with thier "fast spool" valve.
A stock supra acts in this fashion with its variable switching valves to close off a portion of the downpipe to manipulate the stock twins. Its nothing new just a different design. Its a mechanical VGT so to speak in crude terms.
i have straight and 90s in stock, stainless.
I have one more in stock but its spoken for with a deposit right now but can get them almost overnight.
Bully dog has had this type of setup out for years with thier "fast spool" valve.
A stock supra acts in this fashion with its variable switching valves to close off a portion of the downpipe to manipulate the stock twins. Its nothing new just a different design. Its a mechanical VGT so to speak in crude terms.
i have straight and 90s in stock, stainless.
I have one more in stock but its spoken for with a deposit right now but can get them almost overnight.
06-23-2012, 12:44 PM
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Re: Anyone consider running the SP quick spool valve?
You have a t3 open housing. First you need a 1.06A/R housing first before doing that. Even still, it respond nothing like a GTX3071.
Lots of investment for little gain in a sub 3.0 little application
Lots of investment for little gain in a sub 3.0 little application
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