BlueShadow

Hi guys,

I finally got around to installing my Revhard kit into my CRX w/ B18C. I was looking at how I wanted to do my wastegate. I have several options:

#1 install it directly to the manifold--problem with this is when I go to hook up my Apexi AVCR to the top TIAL nipple that nipple will touch my hood, maybe even keep me from closing the hood. I can swap out my TIAL 38mm for a shorter wastegate. What would you guys recommend? are there WG's out there that are as short or shorter then the TIAL but have the boost source nipple and EBC nipple both on the side? I saw a pic of a WG without a hole for the top nipple, but not sure what brand (turbosmart maybe?).

#2 install it sideways with the Revhard WG elbow--hood clearance is good, but the outlet points directly at my radiator. My dumptube would be rubbing onto the radiator since it is so close. The DT might not even fit between the radiator and WG. I can cut the elbow in the middle, clock the WG outlet until it points downward and reweld it together. However I'm still a beginner welder, but at least if this weld fails I wont overboost, I'll just looks boost.

what do you guys think?
Thanks

eddyboy

try turbosmarts wastegate.
http://www.turbosmart.com.au/

they are shorter and works great from what i hear.

BlueShadow

I searched google and saw a site that had height measurements so I'll compare that with my TIAL tomorrow. Does turbosmart have a mdel that has a smooth top though? The pics of the TS WG's I've seen had a small nut/bolt on the top.

EDIT: the .au site wasn't one of the ones I looked at. So the there are only two models of TS WG's? in the pics on the .au site I see that the WG tops are both smooth. Unless there is a hole on top that I cant make out.

thanks

Arturbo

Yup, turbosmart.

I run the 48mm, but its way taller..hehe

BlueShadow

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Arturbo &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Yup, turbosmart.

I run the 48mm, but its way taller..hehe</TD></TR></TABLE>

haha, I saw a pic of one of those and from the looks of it Id have to cut a hole into the hood for the 48mm to clear.

powerls

The Turbosmart Ultragate 38mm is shorter than the Tial. And it flows more then the Tial 38mm as well. The older Ultragates had a bolt on the top, the new ones are smooth on top.

BlueShadow

thanks dood, I got your IM, I'm gonna run the TIAL just to get the car running and ot of the shop. In a week or two I'll switch out to an Ultragate.

White Smoke

The turbosmart gate is what you want.
I have a brand new one for sale if you are interested.
Pm me

BlueShadow

I've pretty much maxed out on my funds right now, so I have to wait until next payday before I can buy anything expensive.

Finland

You can thank me later.



I'm very experienced in drilling and tapping, thread depths, etc..(former machine builder), on that note, if you are new to drilling and tapping, I recommend practicing on something first. I would have liked to have a thicker wall on the Tial housing, but it's not too thin to tap NPT 1/8", I used teflon tape to seal the threads.

Finland

You could also use an aluminum fitting and have someone weld the fitting on as well.

BlueShadow

I dont know if I wanna drill and tap out my WG like that, even though it is a good idea. I dont know how or have the tools to drill and tap my own holes. And if the machine shop screws it up, then I'm out a TIAL WG. I would do it if TIAL or their dealers sold replacement parts, cause then I could just buy a spare one of those WG upper caps.

EJ1 wilcox

Just go with the turbosmart, I have heard nothing but good things about their products.

sqad_7

i might be wrong about this but don't a lot of people use 90 degree elbow on these type of manifolds?

Dunc

Boondock Saint: Thank you I was wondering the same thing...did you plug the original hole on top or did you leave it open?

Sprockets

iTrader: (6)

It's a bad picture, but this is a 38mm Turbosmart:



It's supposed to be better than Tial, but I haven't heard of any Tial failures, either. It is shorter, though.

Finland

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You are welcome.....now think about that question for a minute...

Dunc

I'm guessing yes haha Don't mind me, I just got done with exams and I'm packing up for home now....my brain isn't functioning 100% right now haha

Finland

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yes it's plugged.

powerls

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by USE2B16A &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
It's supposed to be better than Tial, but I haven't heard of any Tial failures, either. It is shorter, though.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Turbosmart Ultragate 38mm wastegate has more valvelift then the Tial. Plus it is made from 253ma Investment cast SS. Tials are made from 347 sand cast SS. Turbosmart's wastegates have a 1 piece valve made from billet 253ma SS and Tial uses a 2 piece valve that is coated in a nitronic alloy or something. The Ultragate flows about 20% more and is smaller.

BlueShadow

Hey guys,

I had another question just in case I have to run my TIAL WG upright. The TIAL flange is a smidge wider then the flange holes on the Revhard manifold. I was thinking about taking the TIAL holes and making them slightly wider so that I can get the bolts in the holes.

How hard is that metal on the TIAL flange? I was gonna some of those cone and cylinder sanders for my dremel and just dremel the hole out a little. If that doesn't work I might cut some a slot into one of the sides so I can bolt it down.

Sunlight

Will the turbosmart be a direct replacement for a tial or a deltagate?

Tchleung

Really. what's easier and prolly cheaper. Buy another wastegate then gonig through hassle of selling tial? or jsut buying an elbow and cutting the flange and rotating it then reweld so it doesn't come clsoe to your rad. Hell. you can even make the elbow easy if you have the flanges.

BlueShadow

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Tchleung &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Really. what's easier and prolly cheaper. Buy another wastegate then gonig through hassle of selling tial? or jsut buying an elbow and cutting the flange and rotating it then reweld so it doesn't come clsoe to your rad. Hell. you can even make the elbow easy if you have the flanges.</TD></TR></TABLE>

That's one of my options, but I'm afraid of messing up and having to buy another elbow. Another thing too that was bought to my attention was boost creep issues with the Revhard manifold and the elbow. If I mess up on rewelding the elbow I gotta have a backup plan, which is putting the WG upright.

White Smoke

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Sunlight &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Will the turbosmart be a direct replacement for a tial or a deltagate?</TD></TR></TABLE>

YES


<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by BlueShadow &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Another thing too that was bought to my attention was boost creep issues with the Revhard manifold and the elbow.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Whoever told you that most likely has no idea what they are talking about.
The elbow actually helps control the boost better. There is a lot of info about this on boosted-hybrid's site. It's been proven