<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Mochanic &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">No way that leaking valve guides would ever allow coolant into the oil!
If your problem is actually fixed, thats not where the problem was...

You said the machine shop psi tested the head and found nothing? Then what led you to this conclusion?</TD></TR></TABLE>

I second that. Valve guides? Sounds like a cop out.. Maybe you should of had them show you the problem. I would of wanted to know what was exactly wrong with it.

 

So you are sure that its not the valve guides? Now I am nervous to start my car because all I replaced was the head gasket (OEM) and added the Endyn Breathe kit. I made a couple of calls last night and some buddies of mine also said that it was not the valve guides.

 

If I remember correctly, there are no coolant passages next to the valve guide area.
Plus the guides are pressed in pretty good and form a super tight seal anyways.
In theory if there was a coolant passage close enough to a leaking valve guide, this would only allow coolant to get into the combustion chamber where it would be burned and you would have white smoke which you said you do not.

I would like to think that one of the things you just replaced would fix it, but I just don't think it will although that is a much better catch can/breather!

 

Well I started my car and bam there it was condensation under the valve cover again . I guess I will be tearing the car apart again soon to have the head sent to a machine shop to have the head tested and the valve guides checked. I had a buddy of mine say that it could be heat leaking through the valves causing the condensation. It sucks I did not have that checked before I put it back on. Oh well. I guess my luck just sucks. This is so discouraging!

 

How long did it run?

Did you change the oil and clean up all the contamination again?

Any noticeable drop in the coolant level?

Pull all the plugs and look very very closely on the plugs and in the cylinders for any coolant and tell us if you find anything...

I hate to say it again, but I'm still leaning towards a sleeve issue as I have been all along!

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Mochanic &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">How long did it run?</TD></TR></TABLE>

idle for 30 minutes, drove for 15 minutes =45 minutes approximately.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Mochanic &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Did you change the oil and clean up all the contamination again?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Yes changed the oil after 30 minutes of idle and then drove on new oil.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Mochanic &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Any noticeable drop in the coolant level?</TD></TR></TABLE>

No noticeable drop yet.

I am at school right now, but when I get to the house I will check the plugs and let you know.

 

you will get condensation under the v/c at first start up , i do i would be certain you are not loosing coolant first

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by B18C1CYA &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">you will get condensation under the v/c at first start up , i do i would be certain you are not loosing coolant first </TD></TR></TABLE>

I have not noticed any loss of coolant yet, so I will keep my eyes open for the next couple of days.

 

Also do not forget that the coolant level inside the overflow tank will vary according to temperature change. Make sure you drive the car at least 20 min when you take it to evaporate the moisture (condensation) in the oil.

 

did you try the stop leak stuff?

 

Bump...

 

WOW. I have been following this thread for a while. Good to hear that you have the problem fixed now. How much extra did this "little" problem cost you?

 

Well, it must have been the condensation in the oil, because there has been no milkyness under the valve cover since I started it up for the first time after changing the head gasket and adding the endyn breather kit. Thanks to all the help in this thread to keep me sane with all the problems I was having. I guess Jordan is up and running fine too. I would like to get an update. My car seems to be doing fine as of now .

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by b18Jay &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Well, it must have been the condensation in the oil, because there has been no milkyness under the valve cover since I started it up for the first time after changing the head gasket and adding the endyn breather kit. Thanks to all the help in this thread to keep me sane with all the problems I was having. I guess Jordan is up and running fine too. I would like to get an update. My car seems to be doing fine as of now .</TD></TR></TABLE>

my motor is fine now, i just need a bit of partial throttle tuning.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Jordo &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> my motor is fine now, i just need a bit of partial throttle tuning. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Yeah me too, I will be headed back to mase soon to get tuned again. Glad to hear that your up and running well Jordan. This was a pain in the *** and I am glad its over.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by b18Jay &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Well, it must have been the condensation in the oil, because there has been no milkyness under the valve cover since I started it up for the first time after changing the head gasket and adding the endyn breather kit. Thanks to all the help in this thread to keep me sane with all the problems I was having. I guess Jordan is up and running fine too. I would like to get an update. My car seems to be doing fine as of now .</TD></TR></TABLE>

yes it is just codensation , cus my car had some to under the v/c , but then cleared right up , and when there is coolant in the oil it dosent just go away eather , and my coolant level is fine , so it is nothing more then condensation

 

I guess all you guys with "condensation" under your valve covers live under a waterfall somewhere... maybee Niagra?

Sure is funny to me that changing to an OEM headgasket "couldn't" have had anything to do with fixing the problem... And stop leak "fixed" Jordo's "condensation".

And your right about one thing B18C1CYA... coolant in the oil doesnt just go away by itself, but after these recommended repairs there was an oil change to go along with them!

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Mochanic &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Sure is funny to me that changing to an OEM headgasket "couldn't" have had anything to do with fixing the problem... And stop leak "fixed" Jordo's "condensation".</TD></TR></TABLE>

I don't know what to say other than, there were beads of water all over the valve cover when I took it off so my personal educated guess was that it was a condensation problem, not coolant. I never saw or smelled coolant in the oil or under the valve cover. Don't forget that I did add the endyn breather kit and I would like to give credit to that also. I don't believe that the headgasket was the only thing if it was at all. I think the whole thing is kinda funny to me in the fact that all signs should point to it being coolant, but as far as I can tell it was condensation. Thanks to everyone who helped out and offered suggestions to find the problem.

I would like to give special thanks to: Mochanic, B18C1CYA, Flr Power, iiilgsrlll, non-VTEC, TrueNorthStar for sticking to this thread and being involved every step of the way.

I am just glad this is all over

 

Don't end the thread just yet friends!!! I still have my own to solved. Let's start with the setup.

GSR with 83mm AEBS sleeving (No O-Ring).
Cometic MLS headgasket with 3 layers of copper sprays.
ARP Studs w/85 lbs torque.
Stock Head
Hondata IM Gasket
Z-10 Catch can setup using the two ports from the back of the block.

The Problems:

I start noticing which I thought was the problem at the time was when I checked the catch can and found "Clear" liquid in it. One of the hose that's connecting to the port where the "oil seperator" box goes has clear jelly like substance. I guess it's from the condensation somewhere. The other seems normal with oil vapor.

The oil cap has the milky thinging on it. So does the vavle cover when I checked.
Losing coolant, and when I check the dip stick..it seems ok, but when I go to change the oil...I noticed that it's not "oil". It's more like chocolate shake. Not milkshake..but more like chocolate milkshake.

I'm stumped. I'm using the "orangy" kinda of coolant. Not the green colored ones.

I have replaced the gaskets twice..and still the same problem. Have the head shaved once the last time I installed the headgasket.

What could it be? I'm going to try the "block sealed" and see before I have to spend more money getting a new headgasket.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by beepy &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Water in the oil. Possible culprits:

1) Leak between water jacket on HG.
2) Cracked sleeve.
3) Cracked block.
4) Warped deck.
5) Lifted head.
6) Possibly cracked intake manifold?

The only times I have seen this much coolant in the oil has been head gasket related.
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