pcguy760

I am considering the AEM Water-Meth kit for my turbo h22a and was wondering if there are any other turbo h22 guys here running a water-meth setup and how do you like it? Thanks!

Btw, I was lookin at Bisimoto's video where he said a water-meth kit is like running race gas without the costs so I am guessing it lets the tuner add more timing and boost without detonation - am I correct?

non-VTEC

correct...you can safley add more timing while on water/meth.... however....you better have a good kit with some kind of fail safe because if you are tuned too agressive with the kit on and it happens to fail one day....you will be sorry.

hamma-head

well i dont have a h22 i do have a built gsr with stock sleeves .. i been running a 35r at 30psi with 50/50 meth and water for over a year with a a/f at 10.8-10.9 at full boost.. i will never have another turbo car with out it deff a plus

pcguy760

I was thinking about the AEM 1 Gal. Kit - seems like a pretty good kit

non-VTEC

440whp and 305ft/lbs @16psi on a t3/to4b 57-trim b20/vtec with a 50/50mix coolingmist water/meth kit on pump gas...

LS AzZkIkr

I wonder how far you could take a pump gas 2.0 b series with water/meth?

turboda4dr

530whp at 18psi running 100% meth,b18c1 not h22.

Julio@Bisimoto

Dont know for a B-series but Bisimoto has had suscess up to 40psi of boost pump gas with AEM water meth kit and AEM EMS on a 1.6L D16z6. Although we do not recommend going past 30psi unless your planning to at least running 100oct pump

Also with AEM Water meth kit has Boost Safe output in every controller we design. This feature allows you to retard timing or reduce boost if the system runs out of fluid or detects an error. Check out Bisimoto.com for more features

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIhA7_c_Yx0

B20luda

im using devils own progressive kit, with a homemade fail safe, using AEM flow guage as well, on a 12GPH nozzle and 50 50 mix (currently 75/25) i made 610whp on 28psi and 92 oct pump gas

this was on an H22

pcguy760

Actually, I really got into this water-meth stuff when I saw Bisi's other video where they "interviewed" him and he mentioned the AEM kit in the end That is one bad *** D16 though

non-VTEC

i know tony the tiger is running lots of power out of his 1.8l integra with a w/i kit...over 600whp on pump gas.

pcguy760

Thanks guys I decided to go with the AEM 1 Gallon Kit - I will try to get some dyno printouts with and without the kit on, at full boost within the next two weeks or so...

Tony the Tiger

I didn't know Bisimoto had automated advertisement posts here on Honda-tech...lol

J/K... AEM Meth kits are pretty good... That's what I use on my customer's setup.

Spawne32

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devils has the best controllers out there

pcguy760

I am planning on installing the tank and pump in my trunk so can I just run the line from the pump to the engine bay inside the car (under the carpet, etc.) or does it HAVE to be outside. I prefer the inside method if thats possible...

vladimir_GT

is anyone using water-meth injection in n/a h22 ?

i have one h22, upgraded compression a little bit, calculator says something around 10.6:1 for now ( h22a2 bottom and h22a7 ported head, worked out a bit ).... while tuning we get some hp gains changing the ignition, but of course knocks apppear at some place... will that kind of set for N/A setup help ? is there any gain like 10-15% or sth like that ? the engine does around 240hp for now on 98oct european fuel.... any ideas if that makes any sense to install this ?

EsotericImage

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please dont bump old threads..

its obvious this thread didnt go very far..

If you want to know about the benefits of meth/h2o injection, theres plenty of write ups and DIYs

extralargenog

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This thread isnt that old, and it shows someone actually searched, in addition its content is relevant. Also, it provides an exact answer. It didnt HAVE to go aany further genius.

Go play POPO somewheres else


PS

DO > AEM. No contest

vladimir_GT

the point is - i searched a lot here and on our local polish forums, and what i've known so far is that water-meth injection gives nice increase of HP in FI ( thanks to lowering EGT, eliminating knocks you can go higher boost), what is more it will effect the same in N/A application... cuz it will decrease temp, so denser air = more oxygen = richer mixture, and still more octane... less knocks, finally the tuner can go further with ingnition timing.

the point is, and what i am acutally looking for, how far can i go, having 50/50 mix of water-meth with the ignition timing in N/A, and what power gains can i expect ? (5-10% ? )

on our local forums i read about some 1.9 TDI engines, completely stock ones but tuned well, having a shot of water-meth and they do sth like 15-17HP and 20-25Nm more with that.

the other thing i need to know is - what CR should I have to get it really do the job, cuz for now I keep thinking that my 10.6:1 is not enough to get any power gains... am i right ?

extralargenog

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Use a stethescope when tuning to listen for Knock. HTe only way to find out is along those lines. I wouldnt trust a JnS nor any "knock sensor" more than Steth hooked up to the motor. Its how My car is tuned. Youl hear it WAYYYY before anything else.

If youre planning on running in a NA setup, ****, Why not go 12 or better? ;O)



I would,

JUst listen for knock and adjust accordingly.

vladimir_GT

sure we're doing that mate... without stethoscope we would not even think of touching the ignition timing

My point is - if this 50/50 water-meth spray can give me the possibility to increace timing degrees for 2-3 degrees... then it doesn't make any sense for spending money on that cuz it's gonna be like.. 5HP.. 10 more ? but if i can go more that that, let's say - enough for getting 10% increase on 240hp motor, than it makes sense to buy it

extralargenog

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I can say this definately... B20LUDA above is a good friend of mine. The car was tuned on TRICK 110 Leaded and made 610whp on 28psi.

He switched to the 50/50 and made the same power and didnt have to touch timing from the Racegas tune (Knock was monitored with stethescope). The 75/25 is for insurance. That was on 92 Octane pump.

I would THINK that for sure you could get away with 3 degrees. Especially in the 10.5:1 range.

Only one way t find out.. :O)

Blaze45

Doesn't it sound like "rice on tin foil" when you are knocking??? There was a thread that SOHC Mshue made a while back about this very topic... Like 6 years back lol.

Blaze45

Also, when mixing the water/meth do you mix by mass or by amount?

Edit- NVM- found this. http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=937176

vladimir_GT

Blaze45, thanks for the link.. finally some great resource about water-meth! Woah, i gotta get a coffee and start reading all that !