civtic

Hi,

Very quick question. I have a B18C4 which i believe is the same as a B18C1, it's completely stock, stock internals etc. I was thinking of buying a turbo kit but not running too much power, i think the engine is 170bhp as standard so i was heading for around 250bhp. I can get a hold of a JDM H22 (220bhp) with all the gubbings and very low mileage.

so what do yous reckon as i'll be using the car as a daily driver as well...

B18C4 Turbo or N/A H22 ?

1990prelude

h22a all motor = reliable
turbo not so much unless you do a good build

Lord Milferdeen

H22 is soooo naiice. I wanted one of those for my hatch but couldnt afford it. Its actually got torque numbers that show on a dyno chart in stock trim. Verry buttery

EKstacy

H22 N/A will be more reliable in the long run. This thread is going to get responses from both sides though. The boost guys will preach boost and the N/A guys will be all about the H22. But IMO the H22 is better.

The Si

NA > TURBO

YellowEKHatch

turbo is fun and its also alot of money

marshun

not to mention the rings on the h22a are awesome. i just recently rebuilt the head on mine and i still get 230 compression on all 4. rebuilt at 180k.

jonaldjenkins

h22 would probably be more reliable in the long run. the tranny sucks though. if u got money, i would boost.

civtic

yeah still stuck but i'm leaning toward the H22 option.. makes more sense.

Going a trip around Europe in August and obviously we're stopping in at the Nurburgring so reliability would be key.

Yeah i would miss my LSD gearbox that's in the car right now with the B18.. i could keep the box and buy an adaptor plate for the bellhousing? or get a Prelude LSD box at a later date.

Pros for turbo are it's easily done although i couldn't afford a "good" turbo kit, just a cheap one but properly tuned.

Pros for H22 are that it'd have the same sort of power as the turbo (because i wouldn't want to run much) but it'd be reliable and i could sell my B18 and get the money back for the H22, so technically it's costing nothing.

Just not sure about what i need to put teh h22 in, different engine mounts? i'll have both the B18 ones and the H22 ones from the Prelude. Also the guy doesn't have the ECU, what ECU do i need, P13 i think? from memory or a Hondata?

Would i also need to upgrade my fuel pump or would the standard one do.

norcalbayboy

H2B ftw!!!!

jonaldjenkins

h2b are heard are dope. they hang with a kseries.

civtic

Ah H2b sounds good, i could keep my LSD, too!.. hmm

any quick links or quick lists on what i'd need to use the B-series tranny with it, bellhousing adaptor i presume and a spacer for the flywheel or something?


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Lord Milferdeen

H2b would killer. Add some mahle high comp pistons with some lumpy cams and your makin 220whp. That would be a noice setup

dynimitejack

I know a guys with a H2b in a 92 eg all motor stomped the clutchmasters ek.

http://viewmorepics.myspace.co...25241

Datphan

you could easily hit 300 hp with the gsr slap on turbo and of course the right tune.

z6hatchboy

To start out, theres on replacement for displacement. However, disregarding prefferences with n/a setups you'll spend thousands to get a fraction of the power that you could've from boosting and either way you will have to have a great tune. So how do you have a budget, and how easy do you want to gain hp. Im not ripping on n/a and boasting boost, but with a budget in consideration boost would yeild more hp than a n/a setup.

Datphan

agreed. also, boost is addicting. 'once you pop, the fun wont stop'

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x2. It's a lot easier on your pocket to gain power with boost. Also, i'd rather do a turbo kit install and obtain more whp than to do a swap (Espically B-series to H-series) and still not have 250whp without some more supporting mods. Just my $.02 I am a fan of the h22 though!

civtic

tough tough tough!!

well budget ain't too bad i suppose, budgeted at 1500 UK pounds - that leaves room for any unforeseen expenditure.

I also just had the thought of ITB's and Cams. I would like to get rid of that crappy intake manifold anyway, i hate working with it.

H22 = Cheap option with good power but may take some messing around with.

H2B = Quite expensive option due to the kit, and seems like a lot of messing around.

B18 Turbo = Can be a cheap option and not too much messing around but reliability?!

B18 ITB's & Cams = Cost about the same as the turbo kit but should be better for overall smooth performance i.e. track days? And it shouldn't take too much messing around with.

I probably sound like a noobcake lol. To be honest i'm not fond of the reliability issues with turbos (been there), i'm not too fond of swapping engines (been there) but i guess i just want a little more power, 200 - 240bhp, with an increase in torque would be good for a FWD setup.. that's my aim, and ITB's sound interesting as well.. hmm.

PhrequenC

tuning is key to reliablity. if a stock turbo car can be reliable, any turbo car can.

Schister66

Its all in the tuning. You can easily build a fast, reliable turbo setup on the stock block. I made 315whp for 2 years on my stock block GSR. I'm now in the process of rebuilding it for more power. Dont listen to people who keep telling you that its unreliable. People get the wrong idea because of a few idiots who build a crappy setup and it blows. With the proper tuning and setup, you wont have any problems.

boots89

H2B all the way

z6hatchboy

Agreed, no matter what motor and setup you choose. None is more reliable than the other, its only as reliable as the person that builds it. Also, if you ever have to fix something, fix it better than it was.

VTECth1s

I vote GSR, cause I'm bias, and I have one.

To the OP, you will not go wrong from the two choices. Both setup's are awesome, it just depends on your budget, and goals. If money isn't a concern, get the gsr and boost it, or do a fully built h22 n/a. It's all personal preference since both have great potential to be a beast. If your skeptical about running boost as a DD, well then just turn the boost down, problem solved. Then again it depends on what turbo setup your using as well.

Research more on the two motors, then you can ultimately determine which route to go. Since everyone here has their own experiences with both motors.

Lord Milferdeen

With turbo you would still have to pop the top and at least do a headgasket in a B18. With the cost of a good turbo setup that would be quality and most likely reliable aint cheap. Doing pistons and cams in the h22 regardless of h22 or B series tranny would be hella cheaper than boosting and would be reliable. Boost isnt that cost effective unless u have some of the parts already. H22 all the wayy