<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by WalkerGSR1 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Is this a good system to use, i heard if ***** up ur car. I know it has all those features but i want to safely boost my car so it could last me awhile. Is Crome better than The Ems?</TD></TR></TABLE>

I think what you need to know is how well you could tune your car, or if you have a tuner, what system your tuner prefers. The EMS nor Chrome blows up motors, it is the person programming the system and the driver behind the wheel.

 

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I think what you need to know is how well you could tune your car, or if you have a tuner, what system your tuner prefers. The EMS nor Chrome blows up motors, it is the person programming the system and the driver behind the wheel.</TD></TR></TABLE>

+1 i just sold my entire hondata setup to go with aem ems and cop...and i couldnt be happier...I for one think its all about user error...mis-installation that cause all the problems...

 

The issues I was seeing with the EMS were not user related nor installation error. AEM wasn't very helpful in resolving things either.

I was not impressed for the price.

 

I think it's a great system, I've had it for about 2+ years now. Same 1010 box, and I have never had a issue with it.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by daveG &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The issues I was seeing with the EMS were not user related nor installation error. AEM wasn't very helpful in resolving things either.

I was not impressed for the price.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Could be anything actually... I once had a guy with an AEM EMS doing all sorts of weird things here locally. You can't explain why it happened, but just by inspecting how the AEM EMS unit was installed at the kickpanel tells most of the story.

After checking out the recent thread on installing standalone units, I hit a search on older topics of how people installed their AEM. About 90% of them just make a bracket and tuck it inside the kickpanel without any shock dampening or vibration resistant mounts. Unlike Hondata/stock ECU type standalone units, the AEM can't be mounted into the factory retaining plate. The older AEM units which had a huge enclosure was even worse when it comes to installation. The unit just smacks back and forth between the kickpanel and the chassis.

I am begining to wonder why people would "kick the AEM a few times" and the car would shut off. It was already damaged from the vibration in the first place.

I personally have my AEM unit installed with a 1/2" thick foam rubber backing tape, and it is strapped onto the stock ECU plate (modified to fit). It has decent vibration dampening. It's common sense when working with electronics, but AEM is really a good DIY system and sometimes "common sense" isn't so common for amatures and beginners. Just thought I might share some of my opinions on this

 

I sell 5-10 EMS's per month(mostly 1052, 1002's), and have been for nearly a year and have yet to have a single issue. Rock-solid system, and the tuneability is out of this world

 

Cody came out of woodworks

 

I have one of the original 1020 boxes, got it when it first came out and couldn't be more happy with it. Yeh, I got hella frustrated with it when I first had it, trying to get the idle and startup working right. But, after a few months just playing around with different settings and reading the AEM forums for tips and suggestions, I had my car running like stock.
AEM EMS

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by WalkerGSR1 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Is this a good system to use, i heard if ***** up ur car. I know it has all those features but i want to safely boost my car so it could last me awhile. Is Crome better than The Ems?</TD></TR></TABLE>

WTF ??
the AEM EMS is not the best but prolly one of the 3 best engine management money can buy period

it's totally user friendly, I'v seen people tunning their car on their own with very minimal tunning knowledge, really a great unit. installation is a snap tool.
great interface, FULL feature you will prolly end up using about the theird of the feature included in the EMS.
for the money, you can't go wrong with that.

for the iddle issue or engine faillure occuring with the EMS. it's due to the tunner ability to form the map. with the old ( very first EMS version released ) the iddle is rough as expletive using 1000cc injector. step down to 750 or reflash the EMS using the lastest version sofware and problem is solve. don't forget the fuel pump too... using 1Kcc Inject with Stocker fuel pump will inevitably result into a fuel volume faillure.

sorry for the long *** post... it's just that you need to be informed a bit I think, don't rely on mouth to ear rumor, read in book instead or on realiable source on the net, your time will be more efficiently spent.

jp
30-1010 user, making near 400 Whp on D series.

 

well my friend just convinced me to get a hondata s300. Does any1 kno the differneces between them?

 

ok, first off, i know s300 has had their issues too. now i personally run aem ems and that thing is great, i was even able to do a good amount of reading and get my car tuned by myself for the first time well enough to drive to the dyno and get a pro to do it. youll see a lot of people say chrome, or neptune, or stuff like that because its pretty cheap and reliable. you will hear people say hondata all the way, but thats cause they are doing like you, and just taking other peoples word for it, jumping on the bandwagon and buying it, and then you hear about the ems and a couple bugs it had with some of the first releases. but all in all, its best you just do your own research and go from there. i know when i was looking into buying my ems for the first time it was aem all the way, mainly because it was a 1 piece plug and play system, it had a bunch of extras that hondata either didnt offer or you had to pay extra for, i also like the idea of just loading another program into the ems instead of having to burn multiple chips, not to mention the online forum dedicated to this system... and aem may have crappy customer service, (i personally dont know) but from my understanding hondata doesnt have the nicest people answering their phones either.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by turbodohcsi &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> i also like the idea of just loading another program into the ems instead of having to burn multiple chips, not to mention the online forum dedicated to this system... </TD></TR></TABLE>

There is no chip burning with the S300. You can tune in real-time just like the EMS.

As far as the forum goes, the search function on both of them sucks compared to here, however the techs from Hondata are on their forum far more often than the techs from AEM are.

 

I dont think i would want to spend 1500 for the EMS than 600 to get it tuned. And then some bug problem fried it, I'd rather go with s300 proven relialbility plus most tuners around here tune hondata more than EMS

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by WalkerGSR1 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I dont think i would want to spend 1500 for the EMS than 600 to get it tuned. And then some bug problem fried it, I'd rather go with s300 proven relialbility plus most tuners around here tune hondata more than EMS</TD></TR></TABLE>

Talk to whoever is going to tune your car, and go with what they know best and recommend.

 

FAWK AEM

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by WalkerGSR1 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">well my friend just convinced me to get a hondata s300. Does any1 kno the differneces between them?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Research is key

http://www.hondata.com/
http://www.aempower.com/product_ems.asp

Talk to you tuner. See what he prefers. If he doesnt have a problem tuning both decide for yourself with some research

 

Alright. I did alot of research and said if i bought the AEM it would be a waste cause all those extras they talk about only control what the factory ecu already does like fan switch, a/c, etc.

So I think the S300 is a better choice for me it has realtime updating, launch control full throttle shift, rev limiter, and the s300 could be used for NA or Boost because it comes with built in boost control.


Modified by WalkerGSR1 at 10:48 AM 6/21/2006

 

noob

 

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why are you in this thread if you have nothing to contribute constructively.

walker, if you're tuning yourself, i would say download the software and try it out. if it's simple enough for you get it. if you're having someone else tune, obviously ask the tuner what he/she is most comfortable with. maybe you don't need the boost control, traction control, 2step, and the rest of the features that aem offers. but if you're gonna buy one thing after another for the hondata, aem already offered it all in one. every management system has it's "bugs".

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by undercoverdc2 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">why are you in this thread if you have nothing to contribute constructively.

walker, if you're tuning yourself, i would say download the software and try it out. if it's simple enough for you get it. if you're having someone else tune, obviously ask the tuner what he/she is most comfortable with. maybe you don't need the boost control, traction control, 2step, and the rest of the features that aem offers. but if you're gonna buy one thing after another for the hondata, aem already offered it all in one. every management system has it's "bugs".</TD></TR></TABLE>


Yap yap why are you here anyway? Let me ask some useless questions.

Every management doesnt have its bugs, all AEM does is release fucked up **** and send out software to fix it. At first I thought it was great but its crappy-ness was sufficient enough to change my mind. When I had a problem they told me to kick rocks.

I hear people compare this to Motec, the truth is its far from it.

 

ok aem ems is the best the problem is tuners are imipossible to find. YOU HAVE TO MAKE SURE THEY ARE AEM ADVANCED CERTIFIED FOR THE SYSTEM. a lot of people that try to tune the aem are not certified. THere are only like 6 advanced certfied tuners and it averragely cost 1k plus to tune. TUNING IS GOING TO BE SO EXPENSIVE. Go crome uberdata megasquirt etc if your going to tune yourself. THOSE BASEMAPS HAVE BEEN KNOWN TO BLOW ENGINES. Megasquirt will makee a fuel basemap all you need is spark map. If you decide to go aem or megasquirt etc then id go to other forums and talk ummm pm if your interested in talking to someone about those two because i know one guy who had aem and got his tuned by and advanced tuner (these are prelude owners to let you know) and i know another that knows a lot about megasquirt. WITH AEM YOU WILL SPEND 3-5K ON TUNES AND EQUIPMENT

 

I love the misinformation in here.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ludeamister &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ok aem ems is the best the problem is tuners are imipossible to find. YOU HAVE TO MAKE SURE THEY ARE AEM ADVANCED CERTIFIED FOR THE SYSTEM. a lot of people that try to tune the aem are not certified. THere are only like 6 advanced certfied tuners and it averragely cost 1k plus to tune. TUNING IS GOING TO BE SO EXPENSIVE. Go crome uberdata megasquirt etc if your going to tune yourself. THOSE BASEMAPS HAVE BEEN KNOWN TO BLOW ENGINES. Megasquirt will makee a fuel basemap all you need is spark map. If you decide to go aem or megasquirt etc then id go to other forums and talk ummm pm if your interested in talking to someone about those two because i know one guy who had aem and got his tuned by and advanced tuner (these are prelude owners to let you know) and i know another that knows a lot about megasquirt. WITH AEM YOU WILL SPEND 3-5K ON TUNES AND EQUIPMENT</TD></TR></TABLE>

AEM certified means that they know how to use the AEM software, it doesn't guarantee anything about tuning competency.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ludeamister &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ok aem ems is the best the problem is tuners are imipossible to find. YOU HAVE TO MAKE SURE THEY ARE AEM ADVANCED CERTIFIED FOR THE SYSTEM. a lot of people that try to tune the aem are not certified. THere are only like 6 advanced certfied tuners and it averragely cost 1k plus to tune. TUNING IS GOING TO BE SO EXPENSIVE. Go crome uberdata megasquirt etc if your going to tune yourself. THOSE BASEMAPS HAVE BEEN KNOWN TO BLOW ENGINES. Megasquirt will makee a fuel basemap all you need is spark map. If you decide to go aem or megasquirt etc then id go to other forums and talk ummm pm if your interested in talking to someone about those two because i know one guy who had aem and got his tuned by and advanced tuner (these are prelude owners to let you know) and i know another that knows a lot about megasquirt. WITH AEM YOU WILL SPEND 3-5K ON TUNES AND EQUIPMENT</TD></TR></TABLE>

That's probably the most ignorant post sofar this month. Who is stupid enough to run a basemap anyways?

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AEM certified means that they know how to use the AEM software, it doesn't guarantee anything about tuning competency.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Correct.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ludeamister &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ok aem ems is the best the problem is tuners are imipossible to find. YOU HAVE TO MAKE SURE THEY ARE AEM ADVANCED CERTIFIED FOR THE SYSTEM. a lot of people that try to tune the aem are not certified. THere are only like 6 advanced certfied tuners and it averragely cost 1k plus to tune. TUNING IS GOING TO BE SO EXPENSIVE. Go crome uberdata megasquirt etc if your going to tune yourself. THOSE BASEMAPS HAVE BEEN KNOWN TO BLOW ENGINES. Megasquirt will makee a fuel basemap all you need is spark map. If you decide to go aem or megasquirt etc then id go to other forums and talk ummm pm if your interested in talking to someone about those two because i know one guy who had aem and got his tuned by and advanced tuner (these are prelude owners to let you know) and i know another that knows a lot about megasquirt. WITH AEM YOU WILL SPEND 3-5K ON TUNES AND EQUIPMENT</TD></TR></TABLE>

I love AEM EMS but to say it's the best is ... Well ... An opinion. Being certified by AEM doesn't mean you know howto tune. It means you know howto use the AEMPro software. Those "base calibrations" are just that. A start. You dont upload a base calibration, setup the two step and goto the track. $1,400.00 on a 30-1040 box AT MOST. Another $600.00 - $750.00 for tuning at most. I guess if you throw in a MAP sensor, injectors, etc. that would equal $3,000.00 - $5,000.00