No, just things that don't deal with the engine & fuel system (other then idle). Everything else that is controlled by the ECU

 

I wouldnt use the pnp for 30psi. You can, but I wouldnt.

 

NO!

 

what would you suggest? and what's the difference between race and pnp version?

Jeff-

 

So as fahr as I understand it now it has none of these fetures: launch RPM, overall

rev limit, changing your VTEC point,set your full throttle shift, detonation control??

And what about the race system does it have them?

About the loging feature, ammmm......yeah so you can record as much as you want till you run out of memmory??

Thanks Again!!!!

 

It has denonation control, or knock control. And Rev limit I'm not sure about, however if yoiu have a msd that would control the rev limiter.

As far as data logging, You can log as much as you want. But to get a good reading no more then 10 chanels. I couldnt imagine running more then 10.

HTH

 

Jeff,

PnP system is more geared towards weekend warriors who have a semi-race setup. (Eg. 10-20 psi etc)

The race version is a full blown version of the PnP, has more functions, and difference variables to play with. If you are plannign to run 30 psi then Race would be the way to go. If you going to run 10-~20psi then PnP is the way to go.



IMO


For more info check out http://www.aempower.com

 

 

Saying that you can program for every 200 RPM doesn't actually mean anything. How many actual programmable RPM/load points are there?

Your statement is confusing. It sounds like neither the MAP or harness are included with the Haltech at $1100.00, when the harness is, the MAP sensor is not. It's not included in any standalone that I know of. Are you saying that the $1400.00 price for the PnP version comes with a 2 bar or 3 bar MAP sensor if you want to run over the abilities of the stock sensor?

Does the AEM PnP have any other interesting features that they don't list? Anti-lag, direct fire ignition, boost solenoid control? They seem pretty vague saying that it will "allows tuners to program virtually any combination of engine control, power adders and auxiliary devices".

 

I know, everything about the system is very vague. But everybody is on it's nuts because it's the latest, greatest thing. I'm gonna wait til somebody puts one in before I make any calls.

 

When you purchase a Haltech for $1,100 it DOESN'T come with a terminal harness or a map sensor. I dont know where you are hearing this, Call haltech up and ask if it comes with a terminal harness for $1,100. I am only saying this because I AM a haltech dealer too.
As far as the tuneable points its up to man, Its unlimited. However it has to fit on a 24x17 Grid.

 

You mean a terminated harness, not a terminal harness. Is there even a terminated harness for Honda's for the E6k? I've never heard of this.

The flying lead harness comes with the E6k for $1100.00. I know this, because I've bought one. The actual price I paid for the system which includes harness sensors (coolant, air, tps) and flying lead harness was $1089.00. The cheapest I've seen is $1080.00, but you should be able to find one for $1100.00 with a bit of looking.

So tuning points are unlimited, but it only has 24x17 points? I don't understand, because that sounds like 408 points. I'm assuming you're saying that the grid is defineable, which would be a nice feature.

I'm looking forward to seeing what the AEM can do. This forum has moved from "How do I use all these bandaid items?" to the merits of each standalone.


[Modified by DirtyLude, 2:53 PM 12/21/2001]

 

Yes, that what i meant, the grid is defineable which is a great thing. Sorry if you missundertood what i wrote. And yes you will need a terminated harness for hondas. Basically it comes down to this. $1,400 with everythign you need to run on a honda or etc. Comes with a 1 or 3 bar map sensor. All terminated harness and all necassry equipment. So you may have gotten the bare package deal.

 

Yup, I dont want to be the guinea pig. I would have to see how the AEM works in person before I put down that much money. The only reason I would go with Hondata or Speed pro is because Im kinda familiar with it and it would be eaiser for me. But so far from what I see it looks good, but only time will tell.

art

 

I don't want to go much on about this since this is an AEM thread, but you don't need the terminated harness.

E6k base package with flying lead, software, and sensors $1100.00. 2bar or 3bar MAP sensor from MSD $40.00, which you'll still need with the AEM if you plan on boosting higher than the stock sensor will view. That's all you need. Of course it means you need to cut your stock harness and rewire everything. Either that or find a ECU plug and make it plug and play like I did.
http://www.higginstribe.com/gallery/...connector4.jpg

It's takes some work and it's not for everyone.

It will be good to see what the AEM really offers beyond the base fuel/spark mapping and how well it handles idle, closed loop, and other daily driving features. Have they updated the demo software? I downloaded it when it was first out and the software looked more like it was for the race version. It was very confusing and the little bar tuning items were difficult to figure out.

 

Hey Dirtylude,

Lets take this to HT IM, because this is a AEM thread.
But basically this is what im saying.


Ok maybe im saying it wrong then. See on your pic that you cut all the stock harness and rewired everything into a plug. What can be offered is on HALTECH is buy the complete harness which will plug right up the Haltech ecu, and then run all the wires through the firewall to the motor. That is what i meant by harness. I may have said it wrong by saying terminal harness or terminated harness. Basically what you could have done and what we normally do here at the shop is buy the harenss which plugs into the haltech ecu. and then run the wires to the motor, rather then cut the stock harness. We dont use the stock harness at all. I guess there are different ways of doing things.



[Modified by ekb18c, 1:31 AM 12/22/2001]

 

 

So who wants to be one of the first ones with AEM EMS ECU? Offcourse you will get tech support from ME and AEM and also warentee on it. There is no such thing as ginnea pig with the PnP systems.

 

i'm debating on hondata or aem..but i dunno if aem is worth the money?

Jeff-

 

Do you still need a boost controler with the AEM system? If the PnP Systerm also did all the tasks of an electronic boost controler, I say it would be worth the money cause even when buying honata 3b with map sensor, then purchasing a electronic boost controler for an additional $500 or you will be paying more than $1400 Im pretty sure. Also, could anyone tune it who has a Dyno? I doubt there will be anyone in Oregon who knows how to tune it.

 

I will be the first to test it if you come out here and tune this thing for free


[Modified by Blown90hatcH, 11:47 AM 12/22/2001]

 

AEM will support these products with tuning and map support from the website from what I heard as a vendor / wholesaler for them.

Here is the problem everyone is having with pre-purchasing the AEM unit.
Our store south of boston is willing to sell them at the same price everyone else is ... -after- the first batch comes out and they are used in the field.

All the guys on the MKIV mailing list are grouped into big 30 or 40 person group buys, but I can't see jumping into this feet first and hoping for the best, plug and play or not. Everyone has big reservations.

I mean ... how long did Hondata take to prove itself before people accepted it as a viable option for tuning their race prepped vehicles.... It wasn't hyped in advertising months before it was released...

Just my $.02 and observations...

 

Concerns are understood. I dont think AEM is hype, just look at thier product line. They have proven that their intakes are one of the best intakes in the market. As well as thier fpr, cam gears, basically thier whole product line. As a destributer myself, I doubt AEM would overhype thier product. I guess it will take time for people to see the true potential of AEM EMS, and the ease of install and tunning. But I'm here to say ITS NO HYPE! Wheater or not people do the group buy with me at first, I'm still going to stock the AEM EMS. I'm just trying to give some good deals to the import community. I myself was weekend racer trying to find the best prices for the best stuff. And along the way some companies gave me a good deal on stuff. Now I'm in a position where i Can give back to the community. Someone helped me along my way, and i feel its important to return a favor.




[Modified by ekb18c, 11:51 PM 12/22/2001]

 

Does that include the bypass valves that weren't bonded correctly, and ended up seperating ... shooting the rubber seal into the owner's throttle bodies as well? I remember the lovely day I got that Fax.


You seem to have a positive outlook on the product.. and seem ready to support it, I think we're both just waiting for the vendors to get our hands on it first ... to see if this is going to be another flop or not ....

 

I would like to know this too......I have hondata now, but have been having problems with it, so I am keeping my options open. Not having to buy an EBC would be nice.