Advice for a turbo build: stay D-Series or?...well, yeah..
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Advice for a turbo build: stay D-Series or?...well, yeah..
Ok so I have been working on building a d series turbo as I don't see many of them. However, last week a guy I know was offering me a B20A for $100 complete. He stated it came out of a prelude, now as much as I've searched on the b20a I don't see much that can be done with them. I might be wrong but I can't find much on the "search" button. Now what would y'all do, stick with building the d series or give it a go on the b20a and if going with the b20a what be some good internals. Either way I'm building the motor from scratch whichever I decide to make sure it gets done right. I am going with a turbo build, so what's y'all's thought.
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We call the b20a/b21a the bastard B-series for a reason (b20a comes in the 88-89 Si's, b21a is in the 90-91 Si's, which I have, and the b20a3 is the carb'd S model found in all years I think). They share no parts with your traditional civic/integra b-series engines/chassis, you'd need custom just about everything for a mere ~135hp. No the direction you want to go at all, you'll definitely want to pass on that one.
Your guy has an engine only a 3rd gen luder would want.
The b20b engine is the "more common" 2.0L swap done in civics, search around for b20vtec/crvtec for more info on that config, or search around further for your traditional B/H/K series swaps.
Your guy has an engine only a 3rd gen luder would want.
The b20b engine is the "more common" 2.0L swap done in civics, search around for b20vtec/crvtec for more info on that config, or search around further for your traditional B/H/K series swaps.
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re: Advice for a turbo build: stay D-Series or?...well, yeah..
Preciate the response, that explains why there's very little aftermarket parts for that motor. Don't want to spend so much money on having to modify just for a mere 135hp.
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Ok so I have been working on building a d series turbo as I don't see many of them. However, last week a guy I know was offering me a B20A for $100 complete. He stated it came out of a prelude, now as much as I've searched on the b20a I don't see much that can be done with them. I might be wrong but I can't find much on the "search" button. Now what would y'all do, stick with building the d series or give it a go on the b20a and if going with the b20a what be some good internals. Either way I'm building the motor from scratch whichever I decide to make sure it gets done right. I am going with a turbo build, so what's y'all's thought.
Stick with the D build.. Whatcha got so far?
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re: Advice for a turbo build: stay D-Series or?...well, yeah..
Yeah it has been a unanimous decision, keeping my $100 haha. So far I got a d15b7 block with a ported d16y8 head, the manifold is from the d15 but upgrading to the skunk manifold. The car I bought came with an auto so the next purchase is the manual trans with linkage. It's going slow but it's getting there, need to buy some internals for the bottom end. Looking around for some rods and pistons next.
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Yeah it has been a unanimous decision, keeping my $100 haha. So far I got a d15b7 block with a ported d16y8 head, the manifold is from the d15 but upgrading to the skunk manifold. The car I bought came with an auto so the next purchase is the manual trans with linkage. It's going slow but it's getting there, need to buy some internals for the bottom end. Looking around for some rods and pistons next.
When I kept hitting brick walls with the B7, that's when I swapped to a D16Z6.
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I was in your same situation on turboing a D or going another route. Since for me z6’s were just as much or more than a b18/20 i ended up just saving up and bought an integra for less than a whole motor/trans swap and now am building the motor. Parts availability and tried and true build combo’s just makes life alot easier.
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Re: Advice for a turbo build: stay D-Series or?...well, yeah..
I was in your same situation on turboing a D or going another route. Since for me z6’s were just as much or more than a b18/20 i ended up just saving up and bought an integra for less than a whole motor/trans swap and now am building the motor. Parts availability and tried and true build combo’s just makes life alot easier.
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Because it's a series/chassis swap; Takes the costs that much higher. The issue with OP's proposed plan is the B7 block. There are rods available, the pistons may have to be custom.. BUT, hindsight is 20/20 and had I known then what I know now- custom slugs are really marginally higher in cost than a shelf set, I'd probably have just ordered a custom set for my B7 instead of swapping to the Z6.
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Re: Advice for a turbo build: stay D-Series or?...well, yeah..
Because it's a series/chassis swap; Takes the costs that much higher. The issue with OP's proposed plan is the B7 block. There are rods available, the pistons may have to be custom.. BUT, hindsight is 20/20 and had I known then what I know now- custom slugs are really marginally higher in cost than a shelf set, I'd probably have just ordered a custom set for my B7 instead of swapping to the Z6.
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Re: Advice for a turbo build: stay D-Series or?...well, yeah..
it depends where you live. Here in Charlotte, you can find D16y8 engines easily...either through private sellers or self-service salvage yards. As for B-series parts, it's readily available online of course.
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Genuine b- series parts regarding the internal assembly are getting scarce. for those of us with persnickety needs. Your area my have plenty of d-series, but I bet ya most aren't complete, or are missing something essential.
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Almost the same power ?!? How many 1500 whp "D" series engines are out there ??? How about 1300 whp ones ??? 1200 whp ones ??? 1000 whp ones even ???
So, if you are talking about 300-500 whp "D" series engines... ok, I am with you. If you like the lighter weight... or you want to be "different"... I still think the "D" is a good idea. Reliability is NOT on par with a "B"... even after you have modified the oiling system. The only savings that you will have building one is that you already own it in a Civic...
Pistons cost the same... "D" rods can cost more in some cases. The "B" series is like the Chevy 350 of the Honda world... so parts are created by lots of manufacturers and that means that competition is good for the consumer. Yes, you have to buy two camshafts instead of one... dual valve springs instead of singles... advantage "D". Better crankshaft (you can use the stock one as is, for the "D" you need to spend $$$ fixing the oil passages or buying an A6 crank), better cylinder head oiling, better oil pump, superior parts selection... advantage "B".
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Almost the same power ?!? How many 1500 whp "D" series engines are out there ??? How about 1300 whp ones ??? 1200 whp ones ??? 1000 whp ones even ???
So, if you are talking about 300-500 whp "D" series engines... ok, I am with you. If you like the lighter weight... or you want to be "different"... I still think the "D" is a good idea. Reliability is NOT on par with a "B"... even after you have modified the oiling system. The only savings that you will have building one is that you already own it in a Civic...
Pistons cost the same... "D" rods can cost more in some cases. The "B" series is like the Chevy 350 of the Honda world... so parts are created by lots of manufacturers and that means that competition is good for the consumer. Yes, you have to buy two camshafts instead of one... dual valve springs instead of singles... advantage "D". Better crankshaft (you can use the stock one as is, for the "D" you need to spend $$$ fixing the oil passages or buying an A6 crank), better cylinder head oiling, better oil pump, superior parts selection... advantage "B".
So, if you are talking about 300-500 whp "D" series engines... ok, I am with you. If you like the lighter weight... or you want to be "different"... I still think the "D" is a good idea. Reliability is NOT on par with a "B"... even after you have modified the oiling system. The only savings that you will have building one is that you already own it in a Civic...
Pistons cost the same... "D" rods can cost more in some cases. The "B" series is like the Chevy 350 of the Honda world... so parts are created by lots of manufacturers and that means that competition is good for the consumer. Yes, you have to buy two camshafts instead of one... dual valve springs instead of singles... advantage "D". Better crankshaft (you can use the stock one as is, for the "D" you need to spend $$$ fixing the oil passages or buying an A6 crank), better cylinder head oiling, better oil pump, superior parts selection... advantage "B".
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Re: Advice for a turbo build: stay D-Series or?...well, yeah..
All great stuff here, my thing is I wanna do the D series because it's like stated, the b series is the sbc350 and it's over done. I'd rather get some that is not commonly done, aka the d series. Yeah I agree it has been a pain in the *** trying to find rods for the d15 but with some ingenuity it can definitely get done. Am I looking for crazy horsepower no, but when you think about it with a proper build with a d series you can make some decent power, and I'm planning on just having this car for fun. Just is pretty fascinating that you can pull so much power out of 4 cylinders with one cam. Do appreciate y'alls advice on the not getting that b20, which I didn't. So now the real work begins in finding all the internals.
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There is nothing wrong with being unique or different OP... I am the "Poster-child" of this thinking. My love for Supercharging isn't because it is better than Turbocharging... it is because Supercharging is unique and different.
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Re: Advice for a turbo build: stay D-Series or?...well, yeah..
All great stuff here, my thing is I wanna do the D series because it's like stated, the b series is the sbc350 and it's over done. I'd rather get some that is not commonly done, aka the d series. Yeah I agree it has been a pain in the *** trying to find rods for the d15 but with some ingenuity it can definitely get done. Am I looking for crazy horsepower no, but when you think about it with a proper build with a d series you can make some decent power, and I'm planning on just having this car for fun. Just is pretty fascinating that you can pull so much power out of 4 cylinders with one cam. Do appreciate y'alls advice on the not getting that b20, which I didn't. So now the real work begins in finding all the internals.
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