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iTrader: (1)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVgxtqnv03o <buddy of mine's car never had an issue with the turbo kit..other then the wastegate..if you pay close attention when he hits 3rd it comes into boost really weird....once he put on a tial wastegate it ripped 10 times harder and no issues at all...he did also go 12.0 with the ebay wastegate...he never got a pass on the tial due to the motor melting a piston...it had nothing to do with the turbo kit..i wont go into why...but if your trying to turbo your car on a budget...i dont see anything wrong with an ebay turbo kit so long as your not expecting to make 500hp...

00siboy

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my point^^ hoffman

enemy no1

If you're adamant about buying a "kit" you should look at this one. I still dont like the manifold, but it'll work I suppose. Everything else seems ok minus the FMU and check valve. Its 2,899.00 though. :/

http://www.turbo-kits.com/Parts/Part...0_Honda_Civic/

umair

id say buy the kit...poeple have had good luck with emusa and godspeed(both ebay). i know a guy in chicago that made around 400hp on an emusa kit. ur probly not going to be making more than 230whp on a stock single cam. from reading your previous thread it seems like you dont care about the stock motor anyway cause ur going to swap a b series in it. i know their is a built SOHC with a nice turbo kit on hondamarketplace for 3k. it comes with the full setup(motor,trans,axles,ecu,tune,injectors..etc... ). it put down between 350-400WHP. i think you should look into it.

the best thing for you to do at this point is read a lot and then decide what you want to do.

enemy no1

I dont doubt that people have had success with the ebay kits, but I dont see how it justifies spending the $650 bucks on a kit that has a more or less a 50/50 success rate. I would cheap out on the intercooler, bov and piping but not the turbo even if the kit all together is only $650. It would aggravate the **** outta me to install the turbo only to have it fail a week or two later and have to wait on a new one to be shipped so I could install it all over again. There is truth behind the saying "you get what you pay for" and I've learned this first hand with other ebay parts that I have bought in the past. They end up not fitting right and/or are made of cheap materials. Trust me, I would love to buy a turbo kit for that price if I knew for sure it was good quality and it worked, but I wouldnt take the risk on an ebay kit. Thats just me.

97CWITR

spoolin performance log kit for d-series, fuel updates, clutch, gauges, intercooler/piping, good tune = win that doesn't break the bank.

MalcolmV8

I put this in the wrong post earlier. Doh, here it is:

I appreciate all the feed back guys. I think I'll start out with an ebay kit. I looked for an emusa or godspeed for civic and didn't find a kit, only parts. So I may just go with another kit. Perhaps that one I posted earlier.

I know you guys point out lots of parts will probably have to be upgraded over time but remember that's half the fun for me. This is a hobby for me and a fun toy car to tinker with, upgrade parts and see what differences it makes and learn when I change out waste gates, blow off valves etc. If I have to upgrade to another turbo in the future then it'll be part of the learning experience.

I just have to many hobbies to go top dollar in them all. My Cobra drains me, my salt water fish tank, my r/c helicopters, planes, monster trucks, computers etc. they all demand money. Oh did I mention the 4x4 truck

Update on 2nd gear tranny issue. I don't believe it to be an internal syncro issue. I've had bad syncros in the past, mustangs & rangers etc. and no matter how hard you held the shifter you could not keep it in gear when it wanted to jump out. The Honda I can lightly hold the shifter back and it'll stay in gear just fine.
So I drove it up on ramps while changing the oil today and noticed shifter has this long linkage bar to the tranny up front. Makes sense I suppose, just goofy looking. I'm not used to FWD stuff lol. Anyhow I took it for another drive while paying close attention and I noticed the shifter moves back and forth as I get on and off the gas. In fact I can feel it in my hand if I'm holding the shifter. In second I get on and off the gas and I can see the shifter moving back and forth and then it'll pop out. I believe I have a loose or bad motor/tranny mount allowing the tranny to move and pull on the shifter and pop it out of gear. Does that sound plausible to you guys? It got late and dark so I didn't get a chance to get under there with a pry bar and see if I can move motor/tranny combo.

Oh yeah and here's the rims I plan on ordering later tonight. Do you guys see any fitment issues? I think it'll be fine. Should be funny too as they look so similar to the rims my buddy got on his $55k GT 500 lol.
http://www.tirerack.com/wheels/Wheel...All&sort=Brand

Thanks
Malcolm

JDMAF

I've read both your threads and understand where your coming from... I'm not going to arguee the ebay issue... So your down for spending 600 on the ebay kit and you say you dont want to spend 5000... so question is... realizing that you will still need fuel pump, injectors and engine management... What do you want to spend on just the kit??? how about the whole project??? Just to get going... I understand that you want to build up... and I'm sure everyone will keep that in mind... but if we have a budget to work with we can help alot better... theres a big gap in between 600 and 5000... lol

MalcolmV8

Budget, well that's somewhat flexible. As someone pointed out though the car was $2400 and it doesn't make sense to buy a $5000 turbo kit for it.
Here's what I figured as a guide and maybe I'm way off, lets see.
Turbo kit = $600 ~ $1000
Misc (fuel pump, injectors etc.) = $500
Electronics of sorts for tuning, map sensor, ODB1 + tune = $1000
Other misc odds and ends (stuff you always forget) = $500

I liked the idea of the hondata s300 because I think it lets you adjust the tune and make changes. Something that interests me a lot as I love to tinker.

JDMAF

and hp goals again... remembering 300hp in a fwd car is relativly speaking alot... oh we can do things for you now that we have a budget give me like 20 mins and I'll throw something together...

hoffmanb16

Like I mentioned in your previous thread Vitara pistons are a god send for the d series. You can't go wrong with them....

Do you want to pull the engine apart or leave it stock...?

I would recommend doing some engine internals because I think you have the skills to pull if off easily and you will be able to push the boost higher if you do.

JDMAF

ok please understand that I'm sqeezing you pretty good on this 3000 budget and asking you to come up with tuning and maybe 150 in extra little ****... I know what you posted but this is All brand new good ****... and some of it can be had used for cheaper... ie... neptune, obd2a to obd1 harness, map sensor, injectors. So here we go...

This kit has everything exept management, obd jumper, map sensor, injectors, and fuel pump... I know it eat's a **** load of the 3000 budget but it's quality and upgradeable everyone will say very good things about them as a company as well...

Cost $2120 shipped to Kanas City, MO (yes I went that far...)
http://www.go-autoworks-store.com/gostkit.html

Here is a sponsor on Honda Tech that sells the pump for $79
https://honda-tech.com/forums/forced-induction-49/walbro-pump-w-kit-79-shipped-rc-injectors-2819191/

Here is your OBD2a to OBD1 jumper harness for $75
http://www.phearable.net/shoppingcar...ness-p-33.html

Here is a Motorola 2.5 bar (23 psi) map sensor for $35
http://www.phearable.net/shoppingcar...nsor-p-37.html

Here is a guy selling a set of DSM blue top 450cc injectors with injector box for $100
http://hondamarketplace.com/showthre...etop+injectors

And this is where I'm asking you to flex a little... Neptune is very very compairable to S300 and if you look into it a bit it acually has more features than S300, some say its better some like s300 better, it click on the link and it has a run down of everything it does it will let you tinker as much as you wish and its on the fly just like s300, you can have a buddy drive while you watch the datalog and tune and reflash the ecu as he is driving without stoping or turning the car off ... If you do decide to buy used, please be aware that there are older versions that you can not tune yourself... be carefull...

Here it is installed for you in a soceted p28 vtech ecu for $574
http://www.phearable.net/shoppingcar...ages-p-40.html

The website I found this on is a sponsor here on Honda-tech... His name on honda tech is MTBER... try messageing him or calling the number on the web page and see if he can do a deal on all the parts... If you call don't forget to mention that your a honda-tech member for the discount...

So all together...

$2120 Turbo kit
$79 Walbro fuel pump
$75 OBD2a to OBD1 jumper
$35 2.5 bar Motorola Map Sensor
$100 DSM 450cc Bluetop injectors w/injector box
$574 Neptune installed in OBD1 V-Tec ecu
$2983 Total

Like I said find what I mentioned above used you can save some money on these prices... And If you can be just a bit more flexable this is all great quality stuff and can grow with your set-up and will even work if you ever go B series just get the B series manifold... but most importantly be reliable...

JDMAF

here is an Idea of what a vitera build would cost you... as long as stay stock size and just do a light hone... keep in mind price's vary just a good Idea hell there probally is a sponsor that could give you a better deal... who knows...

Vitera pistons, eagle rods, Rings, and Bearings
$499.95
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Nippo...Q5fAccessories

Gates timing belt, water pump and tentioner... Might as well right...
$150.90
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/GATES...Q5fAccessories

I wasent able to find a stock size GOOD headgasket on ebay but oversized looks like around $115

ARP headbolts
$113.08
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Honda...Q5fAccessories

So...
$499.95 Pistons, rods, rings, bearings
$150.90 Timing Belt, water pump, tentioner
$115.00 Headgasket
$113.08 ARP headbolts
$878.93 Total

This was just quickly thrown together on ebay... better deals are sure to be around...

gzollo

i agree with above my DD is a d16z6 with Vitara pistons eagle rodes 750cc rc injectors stock head, cam, intake, tb on a Ebay turbo kit now running for 2 years with only issues of the Header cracking (Cheap tube ebay) so i replace that about once every 8 months before it starts to leak but still i built this whole thing cheap running a 57trim T3T4 putting down 389whp and like i said no issues just make sure you change your valves seals when its apart lol i didnt and just had to do that.
Gary

b00stME

pm you about my complete turbo kit and everything thing you will need to turbo your car. including hondata s300 w/ boost option, boost solenoid, innovate lc1 wideband, spoolin performance ac/ps kit.

enemy no1

I like that turbo kit. Not too shabby for the price

MalcolmV8

That's awesome. Thanks so much for the info. That's the sort of list I could slap together in 5 minutes for my Cobra but so lost with the Honda. Props to you man. I looked at the pics of that turbo kit and I noticed it has the wastegate very much so up on one runner on the exhaust manifold. Isn't that the bad design you guys said I should avoid because of boost creep and spikes? or is that a minor issue?

That's very cool. I probably won't build it initially as I'm learning and tinkering and fully expect at some point I will push the envelope and burn a hole through a piston or something lol at that point no harm no fowl, pull motor and put in some pistons rods etc. and go for it armed with much better knowledge and a bit of seat time and experience with this setup.

b00stME, I appreciate the offer man. It looks like a good deal but I'm completely noob to hondas and turbos so I hope you don't mind me posting the details of your kit here for others to help me out with pointers such as what's good on the kit, what I could improve on etc. Please don't rip on him, he's a fellow member helping out.

That looks to be a great deal to me. I will say I already have a spare brand new innovate lc1 wideband laying in the garage from the Cobra. It had failed and I sent it back and they mailed me a new one and in the mean time I switched over to the dynojet wb2 which I liked a lot better.

Really to me b00stME appears to have the best deal for me. Pretty much everything I need and his pics look very nice although I imagine they were taken when he first received the parts brand new. I'd like current pics if at all possible and how many miles and why selling it all man? returning the car to stock? bigger plans?

again you guys rock. I appreciate all the help and feed back.

b00stME

Pm you. there's a picture of the kit on the car. And the reason why I pm'd you is because there's alot of thieves on the internet and the kit is still in the car running. If you don't mind can u please take my picture down.

b00stME

Also my car was also tuned by James from speedfactory. And I basically replicated his old setup that was later on tylor car who made 420whp on pump gas. so you wouldn't have too worry about much beside upgrading injectors, Map sensor when you decide to upgrade piston and rods.

MalcolmV8

Sorry man, pics are removed. You kit is sounding like a great deal. I'll shoot you an email.

b00stME

I also requested Phil (spoolin performance) to have The manifold built around a gt30r for future upgrade. The gt30r was recommend by Ricky from speedfactory who had a gt30 sohc monster

Honestly your powergoal and everything you need to build a beast has been done. All you really need to do is figure a budget and copy other people setup lol

MalcolmV8

While searching around and looking at all the turbo kits I can find I notice a lot have a "turbo timer". One kit mentioned something to do with cooling off the turbo. Can someone explain what that is? I can't figure out if this is something I need too or not?

98integralsB18

No, you do not "need" one. It is a timer that lets your car run from anywhere from 10 seconds to a 2 minutes depending on what kind you have. When you shut your car off the turbo timer engages you can lock the doors and walk away as it lets your car idle for however long you set it for to let the oil drain through and out of the turbo (cool down). Or you can just sit in your car for 30 seconds and then shut it off. I have one myself and it's just a neat little tool to make things easier.

MalcolmV8

Ah nice man. I've actually heard of turbo's needing a cool down period before. Interesting.

MalcolmV8

Also what's the oil catch can for? I see some kits have it and some don't. Is that part of the cool down process too? or is it just to increase oil capacity?

Not to stir the ebay pot again but this kit actually looks pretty decent.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/HONDA...Q5fAccessories

The header looks to flow decent, has the waste gate centered on the headers which I believe eliminates boost creep. I've heard a lot about those ebay headers cracking or welds cracking. Some look crappier than others no doubt, that one looks half way decent. I have weld too btw so I'm sure I could touch up welds if they crack.