93h2beg

DYNO DAY...

This heat wave certainly didn't help anything. It was 100* in the shop and 106* OUTSIDE. Intake temps were creeping up to 130*
The ignition started to break up towards the end of the day just as we started turning up the boost. It was breaking up just before 8k. Didn't seem to matter if we changed timing. In the morning, when it was cooler it didn't break up there.

I believe the igniter is failing. Time to switch to MSD and igniter bypass.

This is at 15 PSI. More to come, I set up a appointment for Oct. Hoping it will be much cooler by then so I can make more power.
I think We have another 10-15 PSI to go. We were seeing 10 HP per PSI. Should end up well into 400's and be a fun street car.

The tuner, Anthony is great to work with, super dude. Hybridworks in Vallejo Ca. I can't say enough good things about them.
Anthony said this car is acting exactly like a boosted GSR. To be fair it is a 83mm b16, so its close to a GSR.

Txdragon

Pretty good despite fighting the ball-soaking heat. 350+ range makes for a fun grocery getter! I'm in the same boat for another dyno day; too damn hot right now. I'm planning on Sept/Oct to finally dial in the new injectors AND ethanol. Even street tuning has been dreadfully hot..

93h2beg

I think I wanna go to COP- who makes a nice inexpensive conversion that works with Neptune?

Txdragon

Burton Racing

93h2beg

Ordered- I guess i have to wait for it to arrive before i send my ecu back to them to have it installed?

93h2beg

I did the burton COP kit, cannot believe how easy they made it.
no more ignition break up at high rpm.
Another month till I get back to the dyno.

I am wondering how much more power the car will make when spun to 9500 rpms with 80* outside temps and a sound ignition.
It was only spun to 7800 on the dyno.

Does anyone know what kind of help this will be for power? If i can gain 5 hp for lower temps and maybe see another 10 hp by 9k...

Once we get the base tune done, and can hit 25-28 psi I certainly would love to see 450+ HP at the wheels.

Txdragon

A buddy of mine swapped to this kit, on a D-series, and he went from 410whp to 447whp. This was JUST from going C.O.P.
*disclaimer* I'm not saying you'll see results like that since all platforms are different.. Just a little FYI on it. Maybe you can be as fortunate! Good luck to ya.

93h2beg

My tuner said he hs seen some gains going to COP as well. I am optimistic since my igniter was breaking up.

Cooler temps, better more consistent spark... should be worth a few ponies. And it looks better now too.

I stripped the blue cover with chemical stripper, and a wire brush. Used the wrinkle paint. I think it is a bit too wrinkly, but better than chipped ugly blue.

93h2beg

Well my little 361hp civic recorded it first loss.
On Sunday I was driving back from the fuel station where i off my E85. on a closed course- where the track was rented.... 2 ferrari 458's came up on me. one was a speciale. I figured why not, the normal 458 wasn't playing around so i went to the speciale. From a 50 to 100 roll the 458 had a full car on me, no gap but a full car. I was sad, but i know i have much more in it. 2 more weeks and back to the dyno to hopefully finish the tune. hoping for at least 100 more HP.

digital sol

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Still pretty satisfying I am sure!

Are you running a front mount heat exchanger for the water IC? Have you looked into or considered a killerchiller, interchiller etc to keep the fluid below ambient? I am in the process of a similar build and torn between a large FMHE or ditching it for an AC based chiller setup. Its tuff as there isnt much data on this for the import setups. For track who cares right just stuff the box full of ice but for a weekend warrior with street time who wants to stuff ice each drive. (Edit: I see your manifold would make running the AC compressor difficult or impossible, dis-regard).

Great build, I am still reading through it all now!

93h2beg

The Heat exchanger is the second one I bought. The first one was the size of a AC condensor, but it hit the wastegate. I even tried cutting the radiator support to make it work. In the end I just went with a big ol exchanger that fits in the grille opening. I didn't even know about an AC chiller, that sounds amazing. To be totally honest, for all the extra effort and fitment issues, if I were to do it again I'd probably just go air to air FMIC, leave it simple and be done. This car may end up being a drag car soon enough. No op it, cancel the insurance and put it on the trailer. At that point maybe a bigger turbo and higher compression pistons. Go for 600 or more hp. We will see. I do like being able to drive it occasionally.

digital sol

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Oh ok cool. Yeah the ac chillers look promising just unsure how they would fair on a larger water setup using a Honda AC compressor. I only ever see them on domestics such as the newer Camaro's, CTS-V's etc. I hear you there I am also going a2w and a2a is surely 10x easier and less expensive lol! I don't have a good reason of doing a2w other than I always wanted this setup and just decided to go for it. I am hoping the super short piping and manifold design allows good boost control and a fast spool for some weekend warrior fun. In hindsight id have slapped myself out of that vision/dream and gone a2a. I think the fittings & lines alone killed the budget nearly overnight lol.

Loving the build though, inspiration to get my **** going. Thanks for the info and I look forward to seeing more updates!

turboLScrx

with a 83mm setup I would expect 600+ at this boost levels? My buddies 84mm made 719 @ 24psi and mine make over 600 at those boost levels on a 81.5mm. What compression is yours?

93h2beg

im only running a b16 though, (1675cc), and my turbo only does like 51 lbs a min. it is all sized to be 400-500 HP. my compression is kinda low, 9.5ish IIRC
I built it to make boost at lower rpms so it would be fun on the street, it has very minimal turbo lag. maybe .5 a second to 1 second at most before it starts coming on.

1HGEJ2

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when du u go to dyno again?

93h2beg

FRIDAY!!!!!

93h2beg

No tune changes yet, just cooler day and coil on plug. Gained 26 hp. More to come.

93h2beg

413 hp and 271 tq at 8000 rpms

93h2beg

Heck, not back we ended at 421 HP and 276 TQ 8000 rpms- stops making power at 8k, but holds the power flat.

When we turn the boost controller above 24psi we only get 21psi... and water spurts out the radiator. Turn it back down and get 24psi and 421 HP. We believe the head is lifting under higher boost.

So the thought for the repair is to O-ring the head, anyone have thoughts on this?

I will also replace the valves with Ferrera comp valves to ease my mind under boost and rpms.

turboLScrx

what head studs and what head gasket? Power is getting where you want it though.....what fuel are you tuning on?

93h2beg

I'm using arp head studs, cosmetic head gasket and tuned on e85.
Any other thoughts?

Disappointed i have another few psi to get and we consistently saw 10 hp per psi and 3-5 tq as well..

turboLScrx

use a JE Proseal head gasket. Unless your head or block is warped or the head just didn’t get torqued down properly you shouldn’t be lifting the head at that power level. I’m 10.1 compression over 600whp over 30psi and never lifted a head once with standard ARP studs. Since you know your lifting the head I would recommend having a shop check it’s level while the head is off. I’ve seen cars pushing over 800whp without o rings and normal studs.

AZ_CIVIC

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I would use a true golden eagle head gasket, in other words stock Honda head gasket bored by Golden Eagle. Speed Factory sells them, I’ve had nothing but trouble with JE Pro Seal. JE Pro Seal has issues with fitment and will not correct it, previously I was using a GE head gasket, oringed and off the shelf ARP studs and my motor made 1070whp and never had a head gasket issue.

turboLScrx

odd you have had fitting issues, every one of mine has always fit perfectly. The JE PRoseal whole gasket is coated which seems to help compared to others. I’m thinking his issue might have a unequal head torque or a unlevel head or block.

DaX

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How spicy is the timing?