jarvis199

hey everyone, got a quick question...

i just purchased a turbonetics 60-1 from arizona forced induction, and its a really nice snail, but i purchased it on a whim, so now i get it and im scared its too big for my engine...

i didnt really look into this turbo before i purchased it, but for the price it was a good buy...

im looking to make in the 350whp range (more if doable) and hit full boost before 5500 rpm...

my setup is the following:

-homemade equal length manifold
-vitara pistons
-tuner toys rods
-arp headstuds
-650cc injectors
-turbonetics 60-1 (.63 hot side wiht stage 3 wheel)
-2.5" piping
-tial wastegate
-tial 50mm bov
-3" open downpipe
-ported stock intake manifold
-b16 throttle body
-2.5bar motorola map sensor
-tuned on crome by me

anyone with personal experience running this turbo on a d16??? i could use some input...

Schister66

i'm using that same turbo on my GSR on a topmount....i dont think i'll spool it til about 5-5500 rpm.....good luck on a D

jarvis199

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booscivic

I have a 62-1 bb on mine d16z6 with 8.8.1 compression. It going to be a little laggy but its not that bad.

blackeg

i dont spool my 60-1 on my lsvtec untill 5000-5500. i think its too big for a sohc

HiProfile

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Especially for just 350 whp. If you got it for a good deal, put it on ebay and buy a 50trim t3/t04. They make upwards of 400+ on b18's with pump gas.

Autoworks

Entirely too laggy for a SOHC IMO. I put a 60-1 on a K20, spools around 45-5000. I also have a friend with one on a B16, which spools around 5-5500. On a D series I think you'd be around the 5500-6000 range and then it would just throw you back in the seat....too big.

splitime

You guys are silly... we have a d16a6 with a 60-1 hifi and he is making 300+ most likely 350 with the boost upped and the cam recently added.

His sohc hauls.... redzcstandardhatch... I'll have him chime in.

Autoworks

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by splitime &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You guys are silly... we have a d16a6 with a 60-1 hifi and he is making 300+ most likely 350 with the boost upped and the cam recently added.

His sohc hauls.... redzcstandardhatch... I'll have him chime in.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Do you by chance have a graph on the car. I'd love to see it.

splitime

Yup, just have to find it. Its pre-cam and full boost. :shuffles off to find it...:

bah, can't find it. I directed him here though, he can post it at some point.
It has run a 12.4 @118 I believe, big slicks and traction issues.

Thats stock sleeve/head a6, pistons/rods and cam. Street tune and I think ~20psi.

Autoworks

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by splitime &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Yup, just have to find it. Its pre-cam and full boost. :shuffles off to find it...:

bah, can't find it. I directed him here though, he can post it at some point.
It has run a 12.4 @118 I believe, big slicks and traction issues.

Thats stock sleeve/head a6, pistons/rods and cam. Street tune and I think ~20psi.</TD></TR></TABLE>
dangit, I want to see

I am hoping for something around the same times as far as 1/4 mile.

Does he ever even hit boost under "normal" driving?

splitime

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Autoworks &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">dangit, I want to see

I am hoping for something around the same times as far as 1/4 mile.

Does he ever even hit boost under "normal" driving?</TD></TR></TABLE>

You can feel it pickup just like any turbo as it spools during normal driving. When he's on it though... is when all hell breaks loose. Last time we street tuned it, we were spinning the DRs in 3rd gear trying to adjust fuel settings.

redzcstandardhatch

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Autoworks &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">dangit, I want to see

I am hoping for something around the same times as far as 1/4 mile.

Does he ever even hit boost under "normal" driving?</TD></TR></TABLE>

the dyno sheet is sitting on my wall in the garage. peak power, with stock cam/head was at 6300 RPMs

it makes full boost about 4500. its a 60-1 hi-fi (b housing, smaller, but big wheel), with a .63 exhaust.

with the new delta cam, the powerband extended quite a bit longer, but the stock head was still choking it a bit. it pulls REALLY hard up to, after 4k. it makes a nice amount of boost even at 3500 (around 10psi i think) and full boost comes on so hard its almost scary. spins the tires HARD just rolling into the power, even in 4th gear on my street tires.

i will NEVER downsize the turbo. its so much fun to drive.

the dyno chart was posted on midwestmadness.net, but i'm not a member there, and my browser doesnt let me see register, or somethings wrong with the site. if tallkyle sees this, he can probably find it.

right now the engine / turbo kit is apart. the manifold/DP are getting coated, pistons getting skirt coated, newer block, and head, and the head is gonna get worked like crazy.

if its a really high flow kit, w/ big exhaust, etc (i have a 3'' DP, 3'' midpipe, 3.5'' axle-back), it will spool nicely, and be UBER fun. i've never enjoyed a car more than mine. it killed the clutch its made 300.08/254 wtq on after i added the cam. we're figureing it was making about 350ish when pulled out. (put an action 2md in it now)

shooting to have it together and on the dyno within the end of the year or so. getting some body work done too (modded front fenders, etc)

has major traction isssues, and i cant drive (2.0 60ft), and still ran a 12.4. at 118mph. it moves.

jarvis199

sweet, thats the kind of experience i want to hear, even tho your running the hif, i dont guess their shuold be THAT much of a difference, im going to try out the 60-1 and see how it works out, no harm in that i dont guess

redzcstandardhatch

http://youtube.com/watch?v=XRJgheWStss

here is a link to my 300.08 whp run. video by tallkyle.

love how the big turbo hisses.

ELSpool

lag...better late then never

I run a FR T3/T61, makes 15psi by 5500rpm and peaks at 8400rpm. I'll only go bigger..

jarvis199

thanks, you guys are making me feel a lot better about this, i was just figuring this turbo might go with the natural curve of the engine better, concidering it doesnt make any power before vtec anyway...

liam821

Personally i think its to big for just 350whp - a 50trim or gt2871rs can easily do that and cut 2000 rpms of lag.

liam

jarvis199

i have no doudt that your right, and the gt28 was a turbo i was looking at in hte begining, BUT, i already have this one, and right now im not in the position to choose, unless i can trade this 60-1 for a t3t04e that i like...

if i had the money i would for sure be picking up the gt28 but money is an item here...

i assume also that open downpipe (all the time) plus the boost controller should speed up spool some too...

redzcstandardhatch

boost controllers dont help spool.

jarvis199

uh, they dont???

i do believe they keep the valve closed till you reach your target psi...

instead of when its running off spring alone say your boosting to12psi the valve starts cracking open at 6psi...

which would slow spool...

someone correct me if im wrong?

redzcstandardhatch

well, put that way, i guess some would help a bit. i guess it would depend on the type. i've only have experience with MBCs. they basically bleed off a bit of pressure, controlled leak type ofthing

nevermind, i need to get back to work! haha

fast2camciv

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spins the tires HARD just rolling into the power, even in 4th gear on my street tires.

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if your spinning the tires in 4th while only making 300hp you need tires with tread on them lol...i dont understand your spool times, you say you get 10psi by 3500? cause i didnt even start to make 1psi until about 3500 and got low boost (7psi) by 4200 or so and didnt get 15psi till around 5k. getting all 25psi by 5500. (this is in 3rd gear) and that was on a 57trim t3/t04e.....the 60-1 is bigger than that so i would expect more lag....

jarvis199

im going to end up running the 60-1 unless i come up with someone wanting to trade in the next few days, i think it will be just fine with it, but the compressor map is what scared me, its pretty close to the surge limit, and that doesnt seem like a good idea haha

juda7

Don't be scared Looks like you have a good setup going

Maybe build the bottom end