<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SEFIxCivic &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">blueshadow,

you misunderstood me over the pm. when i said you could make 380 to 400 whp i was quoting dynojet numbers not mustang.

the numbers corrected on the mustang are 300-330 whp.

tony is correct you are octane limited.

the people that are saying its possible to do 500 whp on pump, you realize that there are maybe only a handful of people that have done this, and their turbo size is beyond the PT67 T4.

on the street it is really pointless to push the car on pump gas. the most i've ever done on my own car is 420 or so whp with a straight T4 PT67.

sorry for the miscommunication.

Andy </TD></TR></TABLE>

How have you been Andy? In short save some money for higher octane gas or meth injection.

 

I've been great how have those turbos that i sold ya been working out?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SEFIxCivic &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">blueshadow,

you misunderstood me over the pm. when i said you could make 380 to 400 whp i was quoting dynojet numbers not mustang.

the numbers corrected on the mustang are 300-330 whp.

Andy </TD></TR></TABLE>

opps, that was my bad...I didn't know that you were already giving me dynojet numbers. I might just get a street tune and you can see how much power you can safely get out of pump gas. Also the version of Neptune you use is just like Crome or Hondata where you plug in a chip with the .bin or program right? If so then that means I can have two chips, with one setup for pump and the other one setup for race gas.

 

np.

with neptune you can have two maps on one chip activated by a switch. it will require some wiring on your car though.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SEFIxCivic &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
the people that are saying its possible to do 500 whp on pump, you realize that there are maybe only a handful of people that have done this, and their turbo size is beyond the PT67 T4.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Oh well you are mistaken sir, my motor made 505 on a Dynojet with a T3 .63 a/r SC-61 on 93 octane...
19psi MASE tuned

 

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Oh well you are mistaken sir, my motor made 505 on a Dynojet with a T3 .63 a/r SC-61 on 93 octane...
19psi MASE tuned </TD></TR></TABLE>

What timing if I may ask?


Modified by LST2 at 7:00 PM 12/22/2005

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by LST2 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">What timing if I may ask?</TD></TR></TABLE>

I don't have the hondata map anymore (stupid Maxtor HDD), but it was safe.
This is John Gadd aka:Vapor Trail's old motor him and Taylor built but never got to run

Secret Services built a great motor, its too bad they are no longer around.

 

Did you beat the motor w/ 19 psi daily? Did you use water/meth?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by LST2 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Did beat the motor w/ 19 psi daily? Did you use water/meth?</TD></TR></TABLE>
No watter/meth and it rarely saw that power on the street. There would be no traction

This motor has been down for a little while now. A new setup is in the works with a GT35R and a COP setup.

 

I made almost 500 hp on pump gas and low boost around 15 psi with a t3 gt35R....

I agree that it isnt safe.... 100 hp per cylinder is considered the safe range....one tank of bad gas and youll blow the motor...

also notice the thread starter sadi he only has 91 octane available

 

i live in california and all we have here is 91 octane. i dont want to make assumptions on the difference 2 more octane points has since 93 isnt sold here, but there is a boat load of difference between 89 octane and 91, which is sold here.

In my opinion max tuning on pump on a everyday type of tune just seems like a lot of risk for no gain.

On street tires, there's no traction even at 400 whp.

I guess boasting some huge pump gas numbers is a great way to pick up fans on the internet, but i'd feel better knowing i left power (which i couldnt use anyways) on the table to gain reliability.

 

110 sunoco is only 4.50 a gallon here....but its good for street driving..

I only put c16 in when i go to the track or dyno or really push the car...

I have 3 different maps for each gas

 

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wow. best thing we can get from sunoco is 94 up here

 

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wow. best thing we can get from sunoco is 94 up here </TD></TR></TABLE>

We can get that in MD at some sunoco stations too
There not everywhere so I just stick to 93 so I know I can find it.

110 is usually only found at the track or specialty stations. Its hardly ever found at the pump unless its like a super sunoco which I HAVE seen
Its was only on 2 out of the like 14 pumps they had at this one spot.

 

kinda sucks spending $4.50 a gal factoring in the fact that a motor boosted high enough to use 110octane is going to eat up a lot of fuel.
in the 1980's during the turbo era of Formula 1 cars were making over 1000hp per Liter, running as much as 5 bar boost (73psi) They were running Toluene (C7H8)R+M/2=117octane. Everything about Toluene is amazing. on the down side it does weigh slightly more then regular gas but does have a higher output of energy. Its a aromatic hydrocarbon so its safe for O2 sensors and cats. No led or magnesium, It is made up of exactly the same ingredients as ordinary gasoline. In fact it is one of the main ingredients of gasoline. The higher heating value of toluene also means that the exhaust gases contain more kinetic energy, which in turn means that there is more energy to drive turbocharger vanes. In practical terms this is experienced as a faster onset of turbo boost, less lag. keep in mind that it can also be mixed with regular pump gas,

Mixtures with 92 Octane Premium
10%...94.2 Octane
20%...96.4 Octane
30%...98.6 Octane

on a down note its more toxic to you then gasoline but its not going to kill you. guess where you can buy it? Homedepot, Lowes, Ace Hardware. The best place to buy it, is from a chemical supplier. If you buy it from them you will get it at less then 1/2 the cost. Ive seen it for under $3/gal in some places

 

There's a paint store about 2 minutes away from where I live and I've gotten Toluene from them in the past. They can even get it for me by the drum if I wanted. But I dont want to do any Toluene or Xylene mixing for this car.

 

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This motor has been down for a little while now. A new setup is in the works with a GT35R and a COP setup.</TD></TR></TABLE>

what happened to it?

 

i think you look good my best friend is makeing 540 HP on 91 pump gas and 606 on c16 bc of wheel spin on the dyno but he has an A1000 sumped fuel tank and -10 line

 

possible yes... but risky. all in the tuning though

 

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what happened to it?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Nothing, the car was re-painted and the motor had to come out. That crap took much longer then expected.