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People fly you all over because they are on your bandwagon...Im just hating though, i wish i could have 90% of the FI forum ready to blow me at any given time.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Wait, they cant blow you, I thought you have to have a ***** to get blowed?



its ok though, the haters are the people who make me strive to put out the high numbers.... so this next 500 whp car im doing soon is for you

 

Let's just say Willis has, really perfect car and AFR...

 

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Wait, they cant blow you, I thought you have to have a ***** to get blowed?

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get blowed? ...you mean get blown? anyways my lack of a ***** size makes for some nasty deepthroating

thank you for the next 500whp car, i appreciate it the next time i take a big **** and it requires a double flush...its all for you

 

Mase &gt; SC61

 

Remember, Photoshop rules...

 

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If you've ever seen the fastest drag race cars, the turbine are bigger than the compressors. Drag setups meant to be fast are lag-city, and a SC61 on a higher than stock revving B16 is probably a good compromise between street car and a purpose built drag car. If Willis has 1-2 psi at 5000, with open downpipe, he's doing well.

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Your not saying that lag is good for a drag car are u? your just saying that most drag cars have alot of lag right? ok.. well you probably already know this but the reason the fastest drag cars are running such large turbines w/ smaller compressors is because of regulations on the size of the compressor wheel. There are not regulations on the size of the turbine.

 

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Your not saying that lag is good for a drag car are u? your just saying that most drag cars have alot of lag right? ok.. well you probably already know this but the reason the fastest drag cars are running such large turbines w/ smaller compressors is because of regulations on the size of the compressor wheel. There are not regulations on the size of the turbine. </TD></TR></TABLE>

While I was aware of compressor wheel restrictions, I wasn't thinking along those lines... but it is the same effective differrence. You maximize your compressor's output by going with a larger turbine. The less TIP you have, the more a turbo car "behaves like a NA car" with regard to flow through the engine, and the more efficient your setup is. There are catch 22's involved, but that is the general theory.

 

Yeh, its all about getting that 1:1 pressure ratio on a drag car for the best power.

 

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1:1 or better like some people have...

 

Have any of you guys ever ran C16? If you had you'd know its a TOTALLY DIFFERENT BALL GAME. I've ran it on my Talon a couple times and the knock counts went to ZERO and my EGT's went down about 250 degrees.

You pump gas experts need to sit down... you're looking at a car that just took king of the kill on 17psi instead of its designed 23-25psi ... and you still doubt it?

 

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1:1 or better like some people have... </TD></TR></TABLE>

hehe.. i wonder who that could be!

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by GimpyAccord &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Have any of you guys ever ran C16? If you had you'd know its a TOTALLY DIFFERENT BALL GAME. I've ran it on my Talon a couple times and the knock counts went to ZERO and my EGT's went down about 250 degrees.
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I guess that has nothing to do w/ ignition timing and everything to do w/ a/f ratio.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by GimpyAccord &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Have any of you guys ever ran C16? If you had you'd know its a TOTALLY DIFFERENT BALL GAME. I've ran it on my Talon a couple times and the knock counts went to ZERO and my EGT's went down about 250 degrees.

You pump gas experts need to sit down... you're looking at a car that just took king of the kill on 17psi instead of its designed 23-25psi ... and you still doubt it?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Ok race gas expert, explain the differences. I know how to tune both. Expain how "lean" is different between the two...

 

haha best thread ever!

 

I shoulda known this woulda got me 'called out'. I'm no tuning expert... and .. frankly there arent many in here anyway.

All I'm saying is on my 16g, im able to push 20-22psi with 0-1 or sometimes 2 knock counts and 250-275 degree lower on my EGT's without making any fuel changes... and I'm on the ragged edge most of the time.

So to ME the AFR seems very acceptable.

 

And of course you change your timing when you put race gas in, right?

 

lol

C16 burns slower then regular octane gas which allows you to run more timing. Just because it gives you more of a saferange does not mean running leaner is the best thing in the world to do.

 

Ya, I bump it up 2-3 degrees ... hey im the ******* who wrote the POS VisualBasic 1G DSM free romeditor

 

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if they're not in here then where are they???.somewhere out there making 15 second runs on 14:1 afr.

 

Hey.... you tell me. I'm just a drunkard who pulls a lever all day.

 

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Have you logged a/f when you change from pump gas to race gas?

 

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if they're not in here then where are they???.somewhere out there making 15 second runs on 14:1 afr.</TD></TR></TABLE>

thats almost as safe as 470whp on pump gas

 

never wideband.. because im too lazy to pull the PLX out of the civic.. but pocketlogger usually says .80v - .85v. I havnt implemented fuel table modification yet in the editor so its hard for me to go leaner


edit: im about to pass out from being drunk, i'll revisit thread tomorrow and see how much of an *** i made out of myself :D

 

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C16 burns slower then regular octane gas which allows you to run more timing. Just because it gives you more of a saferange does not mean running leaner is the best thing in the world to do.</TD></TR></TABLE>

And running rich is the worst possible thing you can do with C16. Due to it's slow burning and poor atomization properties, it is entirely possible for you to get nice rich AFR readings with it while it blows burning out your exhaust ports, elevating EGTs, and taking little molten bits of your pistons with it.

C16 was probably overkill for 400 whp on a B16. Leaning things out a touch is probably a safe route in this case. Snide comments/flames are, as always, welcome.

 

Well hell, if you're stock o2 says .80-.85 then you must be good to go..