Notices
Engine Management and Tuning Crome, NepTune, Hondata, AEM, MOTEC

General question: How does Engine tuning actually improve its performance?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 11-08-2017, 07:15 AM
  #1  
B*a*n*n*e*d
Thread Starter
 
Vtec04's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2016
Posts: 281
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default General question: How does Engine tuning actually improve its performance?

Probably a dumb question, but how does tuning an ECU increase power? As far as I know, the ECU goes into “maximum power” mode and ignores fuel efficiency at full throttle anyway. Am I right? I understand that tuning will improve throttle response at partial throttle by constantly running rich at the expense of efficiency, but it runs rich at full throttle anyway. Thanks.
Vtec04 is offline  
Old 11-08-2017, 07:48 AM
  #2  
Honda-Tech Member
iTrader: (1)
 
1HGEJ2's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Germany
Posts: 644
Likes: 0
Received 5 Likes on 5 Posts
Default re: General question: How does Engine tuning actually improve its performance?

lean fuel..incrasing ignition, make power. u dont have this on stock ecu.
1HGEJ2 is offline  
Old 11-08-2017, 07:53 AM
  #3  
B*a*n*n*e*d
Thread Starter
 
Vtec04's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2016
Posts: 281
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default re: General question: How does Engine tuning actually improve its performance?

Originally Posted by 1HGEJ2
lean fuel..incrasing ignition, make power. u dont have this on stock ecu.
But if full throttle performance could easily be way better just from tuning, why wouldn’t they tune them for gas mileage at part throttle like they do, but tune for maximum performance at full throttle from the factory?
Vtec04 is offline  
Old 11-08-2017, 08:40 AM
  #4  
2x0
Honda-Tech Member
 
2x0's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Franklin, KY
Posts: 2,222
Received 70 Likes on 58 Posts
Default re: General question: How does Engine tuning actually improve its performance?

Two main reasons

- Factory tunes are universal and do not account for variations in each individual engine build. Therefore they have added safety factor built in.

- They do not tap every bit of power because they favor longevity of the engine.

So in most if not all cases, there is more power to be made by tuning timing and fuel for what a specific engine needs, and maximizing its potential.
2x0 is offline  
Old 11-08-2017, 08:48 AM
  #5  
B*a*n*n*e*d
Thread Starter
 
Vtec04's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2016
Posts: 281
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default re: General question: How does Engine tuning actually improve its performance?

Originally Posted by 2x0
Two main reasons

- Factory tunes are universal and do not account for variations in each individual engine build. Therefore they have added safety factor built in.

- They do not tap every bit of power because they favor longevity of the engine.

So in most if not all cases, there is more power to be made by tuning timing and fuel for what a specific engine needs, and maximizing its potential.
So they may, for instance, build an engine that can make 150 HP, but they may intentially limit it to, for example 130 HP with the factory tune? So how much power can be made by tuning the timing and running on 93 octane, and how much power can be made by adjusting the A/F ratio? Thanks.
Vtec04 is offline  
Old 11-08-2017, 10:41 AM
  #6  
2x0
Honda-Tech Member
 
2x0's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Franklin, KY
Posts: 2,222
Received 70 Likes on 58 Posts
Default re: General question: How does Engine tuning actually improve its performance?

Originally Posted by Vtec04
So they may, for instance, build an engine that can make 150 HP, but they may intentially limit it to, for example 130 HP with the factory tune? So how much power can be made by tuning the timing and running on 93 octane, and how much power can be made by adjusting the A/F ratio? Thanks.
There is no way of knowing without going and getting tuned. Every engine is different.

Also glad you brought up 93 octane. Car makers have to take into account the crappy gas you may get some places, another limiting factor. Then there's substandard aftermarket replacement parts, such as ignition components, filters, and the variables go on and on.
2x0 is offline  
Old 11-08-2017, 12:56 PM
  #7  
Honda-Tech Member
iTrader: (3)
 
pogeeboy27's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Honolulu, HI
Posts: 708
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default re: General question: How does Engine tuning actually improve its performance?

Good reading for tuners
pogeeboy27 is offline  
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
Qveon
Tech / Misc
4
08-10-2006 11:31 PM
aZnjCC
All Motor / Naturally Aspirated
11
05-23-2006 01:39 PM
bennnjamin
All Motor / Naturally Aspirated
3
10-23-2003 06:49 AM
Quick 200k Mile Motor
Forced Induction
7
01-25-2003 04:00 PM
shamoo
Forced Induction
14
06-18-2002 12:07 PM



Quick Reply: General question: How does Engine tuning actually improve its performance?



All times are GMT -8. The time now is 06:37 PM.