And the video

http://www.inertia-usa.com/D1.zip

Oh, it's big, too.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Chris N &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">WTF?

What I can't understand is why SCCA would want to get involved in this. I see no problem with 'drift contests' just like I see no problem with kaa shows, but why would the SCCA want to get involved?? Selling their soul.

Why doesn't the SCCA just sponsor cars shows, drift events and street races?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Maybe because NASA has had 3 drifting contests since introducing the HYPERFEST and they have been a spectator's dream and a participant's excitement.

And believe it or not some of the best drifting were by people with FWD cars!

 

gees guys, give it a chance. why hate it and scca's association with the sport (and i use the term loosely)? how does it affect anything else we do? lets just see what it does, it could even have a positive impact to club racing with introductions to new and other sponsors. and if it in fact does end up encroaching upon the interests of club racing, then we can have something to bitch about, but just this news of this association is no reason to be whining.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Furry in your eye &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">some of you people need to get some options vids and watch some real drifting. its not about tiny tires in the rear and lockin up the e-brake. the top guys in japan use race tires and at least 500hp. the hardcore drifters hate the stunnaz and ricers just as much as you all do. dont be so close minded talkin **** about stuff you know nuthing about </TD></TR></TABLE>

whoopdiedamndoo. I'd rather watch drag racing, which is equally as pointless IMO, and equally as out of place in this forum.

Goodbye.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 1gTeg90 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

whoopdiedamndoo. I'd rather watch drag racing, which is equally as pointless IMO, and equally as out of place in this forum.

Goodbye.</TD></TR></TABLE>

people like you make me hate this place.... close minded and no respect for anything. what if all the people that said to hell with hondas back in the day had their way.... where would you and your slow *** integra be...

 

wheeeeee! Go hate somewhere else, unless it's RR/AX related. I reserve the right to not give a CRAP about drifting, I don't give a DAMN if you like it or not. I don't respect it, I don't care to watch it, and it is a bunch of **** clogging the filters in an otherwise good board.

Oh, and my Teg is slow because it's supposed to be that way. I could punk out and swap in a newer engine, and let hp hide the deficiencies in the driving skillz, but that's more $$$ than I want to spend and it takes away part of the challenge of being fast with less. I may be slow, but I'm faster than my competition, and that's what matters. What's your excuse?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 1gTeg90 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">wheeeeee! Go hate somewhere else, unless it's RR/AX related</TD></TR></TABLE>

No one said you have to participate. No one said you have to like it. But maybe it will open up some opportunities for NASA racers (hizzyfests) and SCCA racers with this new venture. It could be positive... it could be a bust. You were involved in a pretty big "experiement" last year with ECHC.... worked out well, no?

RJ

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Furry in your eye &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

people like you make me hate this place.... close minded and no respect for anything. what if all the people that said to hell with hondas back in the day had their way.... where would you and your slow *** integra be... </TD></TR></TABLE>

you're making AEM look really bad.

yet another comparison from travis:

And 1 Street ball is to NBA basketball as:
Drifting is to road racing.

 

i think first scca will start running old-school ghymkhana events, like in seattle. then larger, actuall drift events. either way, i think its great. ive been into drift since before it was popular here and i think the fact that its gettin big here is awsome.
-.02

 

I still (how many pages later?) fail to see how ANYONE could get upset about this in any way shape or form. Its a driving contest, it takes skill, its sanctioned, how does it denegrate the sport of autoxing and road racing? For all these comparatives (with which I do not agree), how's about this 'un, Drifting is to Road Racing what Kata is to Kuminte. Having competed in both, I got all sorts of crazy respect for judged events.

 

anyone who can't understand why people are upset about this is just as closed minded as the person who refuses to accept it.

 

I myself am all for new things. If someone wants to drift, why shouldn't they be given a respectable public venue to do it? Like someone above stated, It is a test of skill that involves driving and that is what the SCCA is all about.

However, what if these types of events attract the wrong type of crowd? It could potentially tarnish the SCCA and everything that the members and administration have built up over the last few decades.

Drifting is after all about attracting a crowd as much as it is about the competition.

 

i'm gonna play devils advocate here:

all you die-hard 'go to hell you drifter' road-racers, i encourage you to step back, and take a long at what road-racing is. What exactly are you doing? You're trying to circle a track in the shortest time possible. Lap, after lap, after lap. Sure, I love racing, it's in my blood afterall. But it can be at times boring and rather insignificant. Especially on the club level when there is no glory, no huge purse, and no plastic women kissing you as you get out of your car in victory lane.

when you think of it in that terms, road-racing appears equally as ludacris as you all describe drifting. to each his own. while i'm not the biggest fan, at least all the would-be drifters will now have the opportunity to practice their chosen form of motorsports in a safe, sanctioned atmosphere.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by carl_aka_carlos &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> road-racing appears equally as ludacris as you all describe drifting. to each his own. while i'm not the biggest fan, at least all the would-be drifters will now have the opportunity to practice their chosen form of motorsports in a safe, sanctioned atmosphere.</TD></TR></TABLE>

You're right, and I have never disagreed, drifterz deserve to have their own safe environment where they can do their thing, organization, rules, safety, etc. Do I think SCCA should be the sanctioning body? No, but I think SCCA Pro has a perfectly good reason for it, money and attracting younger members, and more money. But that's not my question, and Adam I'm not upset or bothered by the fact that drifting exists, regardless of how pointless or silly I think it is. However, this forum isn't the place for it! If someone started a drag race thread in the RR/AX forum, RJ would lock it in a second. A street racing thread, too. IMHO, I see little difference.

Your friendly neighborhood HATER,

 

All I'm going to say is yes, Road Racing is ludicrous. We spend alot of time/money and risk our lives for nothing but a thrill and some personal satisfaction. Autocross is even more ludicrouser. Lots of time and money to stand in a parking lot all day and get 3 minutes of seat time (maybe).

But this is, after all, the Autocross and RoadRace is ludicrous forum. Not the drifting is ludicrous forum and not the drag racing is ludicrous forum.

 

autocross came from ghymkhana. which had drifting in it (180+degree turns around a pin cone. so in that right, we have to give it some credit.
-spenc

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Lo-Buck EF &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">autocross came from ghymkhana. which had drifting in it (180+degree turns around a pin cone. so in that right, we have to give it some credit.
-spenc</TD></TR></TABLE>

Strange, I didn't realize there was a difference between autoX and ghymkhana (sp?), around here one is synonimous with the other, just nobody calls it ghymkhana anymore. Oh, and in out region, autoX (at least the solo II's - I also participate occasionally in autoX with a marque-specific organization that doesn't call it solo II for obvious reasons) almost always features at least one 180+degree turn around a pivot cone, and the only people who are "drifting," at least in the form we're discussing, through those gates are the slow guys. I don't recall seeing anyone with more than half-*** skillz "drifting" in an autocross environment, except for one assclown in a 5.0 Mustang who was absolutely thrilled with power-on oversteer to the point that he was asked to leave once he became an obvious safety hazard. So yeh, I guess you do find "drifting" at autoX events occasionally, and I'm not so sure that's a good thing.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 1gTeg90 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You say drifters aren't sTunNuZ?? WTF do so many of these cars have big rear wings? DON'T fuggin tell me they need more rear grip. They're a bunch of fuggin' ricers.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Would you believe that they do? Those cars with the giant aero are already running extremely sticky tires, often in monster widths for the weight of the cars. Drifting is possible because a tire with slip angle is still able to control the car. The more grip they have available, the more slip they can achieve before losing it completely... hence the aero on the professional cars, which are purpose-built.

Lots of people in the amateur ranks do make concessions to style, but there's a difference between personalization and pep boys stunna stylez. The actual drifters and not the wannabes tend to keep their cars respectable and don't impede function for looks. There are always exceptions, but drifters are driving enthusiasts not too far removed from the HPDE or autocross crowd (and most of them are one in the same) who tend to care more about how well the car works than how it looks.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by bb6h22a &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">X- games is to the Olympics what drifting is to the 24 hrs of Le Mans. Sure, both are competative, but of a different variety. Drawing parrallels doesn't lead anywhere, because they're different means toward different ends. </TD></TR></TABLE>

I'm pretty sure down-hill, free style skiing is an Olympic Sport. Your analogy does not convince me.

 

I don't think figure skating is a "sport."

But thats just my humble opinion.

 

Better analogy:

Figure skating is to speed skating what drifting is to racing. Like said drawing parallels is useless, they are completely different competitions that happen to share the same equipment.

 

Here's a thought, maybe figure skating, x-games and drifting really *are* sports, and really are competition. Maybe it's just that since the "competition" is not getting to a finish line before another person, but performing skilled moves better than their competitors. And since you can't gauge if a skilled move was done better than another with a finish line or a lap-timer, you have to have other people (judges) who understand the skills required to be a better competitor than the other guy. Sure, it may be more subjective then who finishes first or who scores the most baskets/touchdowns, but surely 95% of the time the selected winner was rightly so picked because they were in fact, more skilled in whatever "sport" for which they were competing and being judged in.

 

this has gotten to be such a waste of space. everything has been said. we've successfully devided who is for and who is against this, and now everybody just keeps repeating what people have already said. can this please end and be locked?

travis
who thinks about 10% of olympic "sports" should be considered such.

 

here's a thought - if *you* don't like a topic or are tired of it, how about *you* don't read and/or post in it?

 

i read in some new 'driving magazine' that a reigon in seattle is running old school gymkhana courses. complete with sections that u have to back up. this is not the same as an autox course. there are cones that u have to drive 360 around and the fastest way is drifting it (from entry to exit). gymkhana courses also rarley see 2nd gear as they are very tight.