Drifting in the SCCA....?
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Re: Drifting in the SCCA....? (kb58)
Alright, who brought this topic up yet AGAIN?
First to address the question, "Drifting in the SCCA...?
From what I've learned...
[edit] In regards to local drifting events (not the D1 Pro thang) [/edit]
I talked to my SCCA region about this topic and they have no plans for hosting or putting on this type of event. I will also go out on a limb and guess that other regions around the US share these feelings. This seems strictly as a marketing gimmick and a money maker. You might see small local events in the future, but it will take some time before the "powers that be" in the local arenas put this type of event on.
At the moment, I see this as the old "bait and switch" were young kids are going to come to autocross events to find out where they can drift. Afterall where better to learn about the SCCA's drifting program, but from the SCCA. Is drifting stupid? Maybe, but I think at least the SCCA is going to rope in a few youths (yoots), from all of the Drifting hype. Whether this is "bad" or "good" is up to you, but it is.
Now onto the sillyness...
Stop watching sitcoms with low ratings!
Silly person... don't you understand that drifting is all about looks? It fits in well with the "look at me I'm cool" group, those who go to great expense to call attention to themselves with the gang-banger look, non-functional fins, body kits, huge wheels, brakes, and tires. Everything added only makes the car slower... but so does drifting.
It's kind of pathetic some are so insecure they will go to such lengths to "fit in." Of course what's cool changes from month to month, so they're always playing catch-up, as in, being constantly behind. Drifting fits that.
The louder someone yells that they're cool, the more certain the rest of us are that they are not.
Spinach. Don't knock until you try it. I see way too much pissing and moaning about this from folks who actually haven't tried it or have for that matter been to an event.
Silly person yourself! Oh wait you must be one of the cool ones? Don't you understand that drifting is about having a good time. Hey wow! Now there's a novel idea. It's kind of like why most of us started racing! Well except for you ******* who have to prove yourself as being superior... speaking of being insecure. Drifting is more about the pure entertainment of driving, not about beating someone.
I'm guessing that your sillyness probably translates into driving on public streets too. Tailgate much? Yes it is silly for me to assume who you are or how you drive, but this is exactly what you are doing. (hand to head, sigh)
The weight of passion within me pales incomparison to the weight of sillyness within your statements. If you're not sure what the purpose of drifting is to the SCCA see the first paragraph... it's a conspiracy I tell you!
Personlly I don't care much about drifting. However as long as the yoots have a place to play legally and safely I don't care if someone puts a stopwatch to it (ok timing beam). All you folks who are condeming drifting should look beyond the actual event and reach out to the kids who are at least searching to play somewhere other then public roadways. I'm happy with it as long as they aren't taking out themselves, me, my family or for that matter any of you silly people.
Some food for thought:
Does the SCCA's use of the word "Sports" in Sports Car Club of America refer to all that the SCCA does involves Sporting events? Or does the word "Sports" refer to a discription of the types of cars involved? hmmmm
Am I silly?... yes! But at least I know it.
Modified by emwavey at 12:01 PM 4/15/2004
First to address the question, "Drifting in the SCCA...?
From what I've learned...
[edit] In regards to local drifting events (not the D1 Pro thang) [/edit]
I talked to my SCCA region about this topic and they have no plans for hosting or putting on this type of event. I will also go out on a limb and guess that other regions around the US share these feelings. This seems strictly as a marketing gimmick and a money maker. You might see small local events in the future, but it will take some time before the "powers that be" in the local arenas put this type of event on.
At the moment, I see this as the old "bait and switch" were young kids are going to come to autocross events to find out where they can drift. Afterall where better to learn about the SCCA's drifting program, but from the SCCA. Is drifting stupid? Maybe, but I think at least the SCCA is going to rope in a few youths (yoots), from all of the Drifting hype. Whether this is "bad" or "good" is up to you, but it is.
Now onto the sillyness...
Stop watching sitcoms with low ratings!
Originally Posted by kb58
Silly person... don't you understand that drifting is all about looks? It fits in well with the "look at me I'm cool" group, those who go to great expense to call attention to themselves with the gang-banger look, non-functional fins, body kits, huge wheels, brakes, and tires. Everything added only makes the car slower... but so does drifting.
It's kind of pathetic some are so insecure they will go to such lengths to "fit in." Of course what's cool changes from month to month, so they're always playing catch-up, as in, being constantly behind. Drifting fits that.
The louder someone yells that they're cool, the more certain the rest of us are that they are not.
Silly person yourself! Oh wait you must be one of the cool ones? Don't you understand that drifting is about having a good time. Hey wow! Now there's a novel idea. It's kind of like why most of us started racing! Well except for you ******* who have to prove yourself as being superior... speaking of being insecure. Drifting is more about the pure entertainment of driving, not about beating someone.
I'm guessing that your sillyness probably translates into driving on public streets too. Tailgate much? Yes it is silly for me to assume who you are or how you drive, but this is exactly what you are doing. (hand to head, sigh)
The weight of passion within me pales incomparison to the weight of sillyness within your statements. If you're not sure what the purpose of drifting is to the SCCA see the first paragraph... it's a conspiracy I tell you!
Personlly I don't care much about drifting. However as long as the yoots have a place to play legally and safely I don't care if someone puts a stopwatch to it (ok timing beam). All you folks who are condeming drifting should look beyond the actual event and reach out to the kids who are at least searching to play somewhere other then public roadways. I'm happy with it as long as they aren't taking out themselves, me, my family or for that matter any of you silly people.
Some food for thought:
Does the SCCA's use of the word "Sports" in Sports Car Club of America refer to all that the SCCA does involves Sporting events? Or does the word "Sports" refer to a discription of the types of cars involved? hmmmm
Am I silly?... yes! But at least I know it.
Modified by emwavey at 12:01 PM 4/15/2004
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Re: Drifting in the SCCA....? (emwavey)
There was an article in Automobile last year where they took a bunch of guys out and fitted GPS sytems with some other neat electronic sensors into the car, and were able to measure how sideways the cars got and for how long.
If such a box were reasonably priced (comparable to a transponder that road racers buy) there's no reason they couldnt objectively 'score' a drifting event.
If such a box were reasonably priced (comparable to a transponder that road racers buy) there's no reason they couldnt objectively 'score' a drifting event.
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There was a drifting competition held last Saturday (4/10) at Gulf Greyhound Park, just southwest of Houston.
The previous weekend was the Houston National Tour.
The drift competition had ~5000 spectators, at $3/head. Any spectators that showed up for the Tour got in free. The drifting was sponsored by Falken Tires. The Tour? Well, the series is "sponsored" by the Tire Rack...
GGP costs $1000/day to rent. You do the math.
I don't think drifting will "change" how people drive at an autocross, roadrace or whatever, if that's what you're getting at. It may get more people into autox, roadracing, etc., however, as the novelty of showmanship wears off. However, with the prize money that is available at a drift competition, that novelty can last a loooooong time.
Brian Matteucci and Chris Ramey were at the Houston event. Going into the third round, Brian was leading (according to the points awarded that far). Then he spun, and was out of the next round. Ramey came in third overall, and, yes, both of them were driving their autocross vehicles -- Ramey in his Z06 and Matteucci in his 325is. Besides top SCCA autocrossers competing, Howard Duncan and Grady Wood were both present, assessing the event.
I'm a bit ambivalent about drifting. I don't like the "fast and furious" street-racing side of it. However, I've been known to let the back end of the Camaro slide around a little bit, just for grins. Hell, if I know an autox run is already toast due to a cone or whatever, I'm all for making the rest it entertaining.
I'm not much for calling it a motorsport on the same level as a timed competition, but it does require car control.
Anyway, I'm done rambling... gotta go teach class.
Karen
The previous weekend was the Houston National Tour.
The drift competition had ~5000 spectators, at $3/head. Any spectators that showed up for the Tour got in free. The drifting was sponsored by Falken Tires. The Tour? Well, the series is "sponsored" by the Tire Rack...
GGP costs $1000/day to rent. You do the math. I don't think drifting will "change" how people drive at an autocross, roadrace or whatever, if that's what you're getting at. It may get more people into autox, roadracing, etc., however, as the novelty of showmanship wears off. However, with the prize money that is available at a drift competition, that novelty can last a loooooong time.
Brian Matteucci and Chris Ramey were at the Houston event. Going into the third round, Brian was leading (according to the points awarded that far). Then he spun, and was out of the next round. Ramey came in third overall, and, yes, both of them were driving their autocross vehicles -- Ramey in his Z06 and Matteucci in his 325is. Besides top SCCA autocrossers competing, Howard Duncan and Grady Wood were both present, assessing the event.
I'm a bit ambivalent about drifting. I don't like the "fast and furious" street-racing side of it. However, I've been known to let the back end of the Camaro slide around a little bit, just for grins. Hell, if I know an autox run is already toast due to a cone or whatever, I'm all for making the rest it entertaining.
I'm not much for calling it a motorsport on the same level as a timed competition, but it does require car control. Anyway, I'm done rambling... gotta go teach class.
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What I know about drifting is that it will die out. I use to hear it all the time with 16 to 19 year old kids. Now after a few talks with them and them picking up on motorsports, most of thos kids stoped looking and talking about drifting. They got more into Rally and Roadracing. I think its just a stunner moment and it will die out in 5 or 6 years.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ITAcelica »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">What I know about drifting is that it will die out. I use to hear it all the time with 16 to 19 year old kids. Now after a few talks with them and them picking up on motorsports, most of thos kids stoped looking and talking about drifting. They got more into Rally and Roadracing. I think its just a stunner moment and it will die out in 5 or 6 years.</TD></TR></TABLE>
God, let's hope so [fingers crossed]
God, let's hope so [fingers crossed]
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by .RJ »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Thats exposure. There's sponsor return. No one goes to watch autocross or club racing events.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I know that, and i wasn't so much referring to auto-x as I was road racing. I don't understand why it seems road racing tries so hard to be obscure, as if they wish to not have a fan base and never build a series to the point where there is enough exposure to justify sponsorship. Now it may not work for NASA or SCCA Club racing or whatever, but theres no reason why World Challenge shouldn't be as popular as drifting.
Of course, if I had the chance to drift, I'd do it in a second. Probably not in my car since a 130 hp MR2 isn't exactly the weapon of choice, but it looks like something that I could adapt to with enough practice. I'd just rather see an effort to get the sponsorship money directed to road racing.
I know that, and i wasn't so much referring to auto-x as I was road racing. I don't understand why it seems road racing tries so hard to be obscure, as if they wish to not have a fan base and never build a series to the point where there is enough exposure to justify sponsorship. Now it may not work for NASA or SCCA Club racing or whatever, but theres no reason why World Challenge shouldn't be as popular as drifting.
Of course, if I had the chance to drift, I'd do it in a second. Probably not in my car since a 130 hp MR2 isn't exactly the weapon of choice, but it looks like something that I could adapt to with enough practice. I'd just rather see an effort to get the sponsorship money directed to road racing.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Sean O'Gorman »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I don't understand why it seems road racing tries so hard to be obscure, as if they wish to not have a fan base and never build a series to the point where there is enough exposure to justify sponsorship</TD></TR></TABLE>
This problem has always been there
I think things like World Challenge and Honda Challenge can turn some of those things around though.
http://dega.cs.unc.edu/~nick/n...s.htm
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by VIR Article »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Kemm sys - "Initially VIR received lots of publicity because it was so unique. We had 10,000 to 12,000 spectators the first year, but I found it difficult to build a fan base the way NASCAR did. We were having to educate the public to what we were doing. Anytime you get into a business where you have to educate the public; you had better get out fast. VIR was probably 15 to 20 years ahead of its time. Bill France came by to take a look and told me that until the fans could see the whole track and get close enough to smell it you would have a problem. One key element was that the general public could not identify themselves with the cars. The entire concept was a problem in those days. It was strictly a club-type affair. There was no happy medium between the professional promoter and the club course concept. </TD></TR></TABLE>
This problem has always been there
I think things like World Challenge and Honda Challenge can turn some of those things around though.
http://dega.cs.unc.edu/~nick/n...s.htm
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by VIR Article »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Kemm sys - "Initially VIR received lots of publicity because it was so unique. We had 10,000 to 12,000 spectators the first year, but I found it difficult to build a fan base the way NASCAR did. We were having to educate the public to what we were doing. Anytime you get into a business where you have to educate the public; you had better get out fast. VIR was probably 15 to 20 years ahead of its time. Bill France came by to take a look and told me that until the fans could see the whole track and get close enough to smell it you would have a problem. One key element was that the general public could not identify themselves with the cars. The entire concept was a problem in those days. It was strictly a club-type affair. There was no happy medium between the professional promoter and the club course concept. </TD></TR></TABLE>
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by .RJ »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Because people go watch drifting. Didnt californa speedway fill up at the first D1 event there? Thats exposure. There's sponsor return. No one goes to watch autocross or club racing events.</TD></TR></TABLE>
and was there also not an old formula 1 or indy driver there drifting as well??
Because people go watch drifting. Didnt californa speedway fill up at the first D1 event there? Thats exposure. There's sponsor return. No one goes to watch autocross or club racing events.</TD></TR></TABLE>
and was there also not an old formula 1 or indy driver there drifting as well??
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Hmmm. I agree with pretty much everyone that wrote an opinion on this topic...strange huh?
Its hard to see what the outcome will be in the future. There are just facts.
Fact. Extreme anything brings more spectators.
Fact. Drifting has been around for YEARS...and is now growing stronger than ever.
Fact. Sponsors like spectators.
Fact. It will take some kids off the street.
Fact. More aftermarket parts sold, the lower the cost and the more r&d.
Fact. People will always try and drift in Autox.
Fact. Kids have always driven stupid on the streets.
Fact. Drifting is NOT racing.
My feeling is this will not hurt racing in the long run. Its simply just another form of automobile enthusiasts doing "their" thing.
Its hard to see what the outcome will be in the future. There are just facts.
Fact. Extreme anything brings more spectators.
Fact. Drifting has been around for YEARS...and is now growing stronger than ever.
Fact. Sponsors like spectators.
Fact. It will take some kids off the street.
Fact. More aftermarket parts sold, the lower the cost and the more r&d.
Fact. People will always try and drift in Autox.
Fact. Kids have always driven stupid on the streets.
Fact. Drifting is NOT racing.
My feeling is this will not hurt racing in the long run. Its simply just another form of automobile enthusiasts doing "their" thing.
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Personally, I'm really looking forward to watching a drift event for the first time in less than two weeks. I have no idea what to expect and I guess that's why I'm so curious. However, even though drifting is supposed to be a competition, I just can't bring myself to see it that way. I couldn't care less who wins. The fact that this is after all a competition of some sort is irrelevant to me. I will watch and enjoy it purely for the purpose of seeing cool looking (mostly turbo rwd) cars going sideways and for the drivers that display the best car control and precision.
Speaking of drift drivers, imo experienced autox drivers are the perfect candidates for at least the US-type events. I've seen videos and they take place in parking lots or large paved areas (as opposed to some of the faster Japanese events that do it around racetracks). The autox driver has the car control skills needed, plus the precision of being able to navigate much tighter lines compared to the average drift course that seems to be made up of very few pylons.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by rickpeak »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It is simply a car show in motion.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I agree with this statement and since I do enjoy car shows, I can only assume that a car show in motion with a lot of tire smoke and cars sliding all over the place can only be better!
Speaking of drift drivers, imo experienced autox drivers are the perfect candidates for at least the US-type events. I've seen videos and they take place in parking lots or large paved areas (as opposed to some of the faster Japanese events that do it around racetracks). The autox driver has the car control skills needed, plus the precision of being able to navigate much tighter lines compared to the average drift course that seems to be made up of very few pylons.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by rickpeak »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It is simply a car show in motion.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I agree with this statement and since I do enjoy car shows, I can only assume that a car show in motion with a lot of tire smoke and cars sliding all over the place can only be better!
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Re: Drifting in the SCCA....? (OptionMan)
First off I thik drifting is cool it takes alot of skill, power,&control. The only thing that is scarry is how many kids are going to be out in their neighborhood trying to drift a corner while a family is taking a nice summers walk and the kid looses control. Im not being a kill joy its just being truthfull and ther is nothing you can do about it. I just hope that ty handel it like they did with street racing I mean it still happens but there are a lot more places around here that have all weekend drag events and the people that use tostreet race are now saving their motors for the track.
I just hop if it becomes big that a lot of these places will welcom it with open armes. If not I think there will be many kids doing it in local areas and a lot of bad things can come of it. If your gunna do it please do it right.
I just hop if it becomes big that a lot of these places will welcom it with open armes. If not I think there will be many kids doing it in local areas and a lot of bad things can come of it. If your gunna do it please do it right.
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hey everyone...i dont post much but...
the reason they don't do it here at boeing is because the amount of attention it draws. imagine too fast and furious invading your autocross and ruining 30 some years of a good record. just because some idiot teen in his 240 w/open diff wrecked his car.
the reason they don't do it here at boeing is because the amount of attention it draws. imagine too fast and furious invading your autocross and ruining 30 some years of a good record. just because some idiot teen in his 240 w/open diff wrecked his car.
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Lots of opinions and thoughts....wow...
2004.4.16
Glad to see that this topic is sparking up quite a bit of input...I'm also glad to see that drifting has made its mark in racing, both good and bad.
Just wanted to say again, if I haven't already, "Thanks!" I really think topics like these (Drifting in the SCCA...?) are needed, if nothing else, to show what current "fads" are doing to motorsports.
I agree that drifting is about control/timing/etc. and that it's not for everybody (especially after reading all those posts!). Grip VS. Drift is here, that's for sure...Personally, I think it's ("it's" as in racing...road race/autoX/endurance...like the N1 Taikyu in Japan) a combination of the two (Drift/Grip) which makes a strong driver.
ANYWAYS, thanks again for the feedback, and keep on "Yankin' and Bankin'!"
Glad to see that this topic is sparking up quite a bit of input...I'm also glad to see that drifting has made its mark in racing, both good and bad.
Just wanted to say again, if I haven't already, "Thanks!" I really think topics like these (Drifting in the SCCA...?) are needed, if nothing else, to show what current "fads" are doing to motorsports.
I agree that drifting is about control/timing/etc. and that it's not for everybody (especially after reading all those posts!). Grip VS. Drift is here, that's for sure...Personally, I think it's ("it's" as in racing...road race/autoX/endurance...like the N1 Taikyu in Japan) a combination of the two (Drift/Grip) which makes a strong driver.
ANYWAYS, thanks again for the feedback, and keep on "Yankin' and Bankin'!"
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Re: Lots of opinions and thoughts....wow...
The whole drifting thing reminds me of high school. Back in my dumb-*** high school in the typical Monte Carlo/Camaro crowd, your car's coolness was determined by how far you could do a "burnout". I always thought this was stupid because I knew that a burnout had nothing to do with how fast a car was.
So in my 1976 POS Chevette, I proceeded to do a burnout all the way across the school parking lot, turn around (still peeling out), and burn out all the way back across the parking lot. I immediately became a legend. They all wanted to know what I had under the hood. I refused to tell them. Then rumors spread that I had some ungodly huge motor in my Chevette, and people tried to figure out what I had. That was one of those days when I realized just how stupid most people are.
The truth is I had a stock 4-cylinder. But also that the POS Chevette's brakes were horrible. The rear brakes were beyond repair, so my brother just pinched the line off to the rear brakes, and welded it shut. So I only had front brakes, and it was a manual transmition so it really didn't matter. But it meant that I could do a "burnout" for as long as I felt like by just popping the clutch and riding the brakes. And of course the dumb-asses at school, never noticed that my brake lights were on the whole time Ii did a burnout.
Anyways, long story over.
I wonder how well this setup with no rear brakes would work in a drifting contest. Disable the brake lights with a cutout switch and with left foot braking you can do some amazing drifts. With a little practice in my high school days, I was able to do endless "drifting." I used to do it to impress my dumb friends.
So in my 1976 POS Chevette, I proceeded to do a burnout all the way across the school parking lot, turn around (still peeling out), and burn out all the way back across the parking lot. I immediately became a legend. They all wanted to know what I had under the hood. I refused to tell them. Then rumors spread that I had some ungodly huge motor in my Chevette, and people tried to figure out what I had. That was one of those days when I realized just how stupid most people are.
The truth is I had a stock 4-cylinder. But also that the POS Chevette's brakes were horrible. The rear brakes were beyond repair, so my brother just pinched the line off to the rear brakes, and welded it shut. So I only had front brakes, and it was a manual transmition so it really didn't matter. But it meant that I could do a "burnout" for as long as I felt like by just popping the clutch and riding the brakes. And of course the dumb-asses at school, never noticed that my brake lights were on the whole time Ii did a burnout.
Anyways, long story over.
I wonder how well this setup with no rear brakes would work in a drifting contest. Disable the brake lights with a cutout switch and with left foot braking you can do some amazing drifts. With a little practice in my high school days, I was able to do endless "drifting." I used to do it to impress my dumb friends.
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Re: Lots of opinions and thoughts....wow... (drkarrow)
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I didn't want to quote the whole thing but damn man was this the short yellow bus school district???
Im thinking people were pulling your leg thinking that it wasnt anything but loading the front brakes.
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I didn't want to quote the whole thing but damn man was this the short yellow bus school district???
Im thinking people were pulling your leg thinking that it wasnt anything but loading the front brakes.
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Watch this video and make up your own mind about Honda related drifting
http://my.so-net.net.tw/s3sport323/cv4.wmv
Modified by Duke Togo at 8:14 AM 4/17/2004
http://my.so-net.net.tw/s3sport323/cv4.wmv
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Re: Lots of opinions and thoughts....wow... (Duke Togo)
I dont think drifting is all that bad. Concerning kids, If a kid wants to do something stupid in a car he will do it anyways. Im suprised that there is so much irritation about it though. I know that it has "bling" to it but IMO id rather see a drift car than fast and furious car any day. Who cares if it happen to get the right combination for marketing. All these people who get so pent up and irritated over it should learn to let it go and just enjoy whatever it is that they are into. lifes too short to have so many complaints.Just my 2cents.
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Re: Lots of opinions and thoughts....wow... (k279)
I think Drifting is OK and thats about it. Locally here in VA I keep seeing these stupid kids playing around trying to drift there RWD anything on local streets. But, a few years ago everyone was street racing also stupid. 10 years ago when I was in highschool offroading was the in thing.
I think Drifting will be like RollerBladeing....
Some people will dig it and will do it for years while the fad fades. Events will still go on but it will have to be teamed up with an Autox or car show.
I mean how many times can you watch a car get sideways and say that guy was better than that guy. "OOOHHH he slid the car and recovered over and over end over again" Its cool now because its new to us in the US. But IMHO it wont last at this level. I give it 3-4 years tops...
I think Drifting will be like RollerBladeing....
Some people will dig it and will do it for years while the fad fades. Events will still go on but it will have to be teamed up with an Autox or car show.
I mean how many times can you watch a car get sideways and say that guy was better than that guy. "OOOHHH he slid the car and recovered over and over end over again" Its cool now because its new to us in the US. But IMHO it wont last at this level. I give it 3-4 years tops...
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Re: Lots of opinions and thoughts....wow... (Duke Togo)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Duke Togo »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Watch this video and make up your own mind about Honda related drifting</TD></TR></TABLE>
Watched the video and still do not see the point... I always thought racing was about who was the fastest! Drifting is interesting to watch for about 2 minutes then it's time for the real racing.
Watched the video and still do not see the point... I always thought racing was about who was the fastest! Drifting is interesting to watch for about 2 minutes then it's time for the real racing.
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Re: Lots of opinions and thoughts....wow... (oxstarsstripesxo)
I wish that nay-sayers could see video of the M3's that Prodrive ran in the rally world championship in the late '80s. The turbo AWD Group A cars were dominant everywhere except on tarmac - Corsica and Monte Carlo - where the NA BMWs were the right tool to have. They were sideways as hell, leaving black lines in every corner.
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Re: Lots of opinions and thoughts....wow... (Knestis)
That is different. Drifting as a faster way around the course is completely different than drifting to show off.
I'd like to see any drifter match THIS:
I'd like to see any drifter match THIS:
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Re: Lots of opinions and thoughts....wow... (Sean O'Gorman)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Sean O'Gorman »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'd like to see any drifter match THIS:
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I dont understand. Match what? Isnt that exactly what the drifters are doing?
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</TD></TR></TABLE>I dont understand. Match what? Isnt that exactly what the drifters are doing?
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Re: Lots of opinions and thoughts....wow... (SUPERAUTOBACS)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SUPERAUTOBACS »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I dont understand. Match what? Isnt that exactly what the drifters are doing? </TD></TR></TABLE>
They're not doing it in a Formula 1 car
They're not doing it in a Formula 1 car