Drifting in the SCCA....?
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Drifting in the SCCA....?
2004.4.14
Before I begin, I have to say that the input and response in this forum (Road Racing/AutoX) is fantastic! BUT, on to the topic at hand...
Drifting...in the SCCA? I have heard of a few things planned by the SCCA from co-workers and local AutoX participants, but is a Drift oriented race "set-up" in the works by the SCCA?
My following question towards this is that if the case is so, how is it going to be scored/made competitive? I understand that the D1GP uses judges, but I don't think we have any American talent available quite yet other than Rhys Millen or the Sport Compact Car/Super Street magazine guys...anyone heard of anything in regards to this area of possible SCCA sanctioned Drifting? Hmm...
Oh, and it is to my understanding that if you drift in an AutoX event, you get warned to NOT drift during your runs (intentional/non-intentional drifts, either or). My question is, "Why?" I can see that course workers are at risk and safety is a large concern at the "track," but can't the course be made wider through turns or the time seperation to begin a run be widened from driver to driver? This probably falls into the "That's why AutoXing and Drifting will be seperate" category, but I think some flexing of the rules needs to be in place to "feel" how some drivers would react given the flexibility to make more "daring" maneuvers. If nothing else, in my view, the amateur/novice driver level would be raised at AutoXing...carryover into Road Racing?...
I'd love to see some opinions and thoughts on this one, let me know what you guys think!
Before I begin, I have to say that the input and response in this forum (Road Racing/AutoX) is fantastic! BUT, on to the topic at hand...
Drifting...in the SCCA? I have heard of a few things planned by the SCCA from co-workers and local AutoX participants, but is a Drift oriented race "set-up" in the works by the SCCA?
My following question towards this is that if the case is so, how is it going to be scored/made competitive? I understand that the D1GP uses judges, but I don't think we have any American talent available quite yet other than Rhys Millen or the Sport Compact Car/Super Street magazine guys...anyone heard of anything in regards to this area of possible SCCA sanctioned Drifting? Hmm...
Oh, and it is to my understanding that if you drift in an AutoX event, you get warned to NOT drift during your runs (intentional/non-intentional drifts, either or). My question is, "Why?" I can see that course workers are at risk and safety is a large concern at the "track," but can't the course be made wider through turns or the time seperation to begin a run be widened from driver to driver? This probably falls into the "That's why AutoXing and Drifting will be seperate" category, but I think some flexing of the rules needs to be in place to "feel" how some drivers would react given the flexibility to make more "daring" maneuvers. If nothing else, in my view, the amateur/novice driver level would be raised at AutoXing...carryover into Road Racing?...
I'd love to see some opinions and thoughts on this one, let me know what you guys think!
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Re: Drifting in the SCCA....? (OptionMan)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by OptionMan »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">2004.4.14
Oh, and it is to my understanding that if you drift in an AutoX event, you get warned to NOT drift during your runs (intentional/non-intentional drifts, either or). My question is, "Why?" I can see that course workers are at risk and safety is a large concern at the "track," but can't the course be made wider through turns or the time seperation to begin a run be widened from driver to driver? This probably falls into the "That's why AutoXing and Drifting will be seperate" category, but I think some flexing of the rules needs to be in place to "feel" how some drivers would react given the flexibility to make more "daring" maneuvers. If nothing else, in my view, the amateur/novice driver level would be raised at AutoXing...carryover into Road Racing?...
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i hate this topic. and i hate drifting like the desert hates the rain. read this http://www.grmotorsports.com/b...light= and you'll see how i feel about drifting.
on the topic of drifting in autox....
there's no place for it. autox is a timed event, drifting is a style event. case closed. don't mix the two. it's like putting orange juice in your cereal.
travis
-who has had orange juice in his cereal, and it's disgusting.
Oh, and it is to my understanding that if you drift in an AutoX event, you get warned to NOT drift during your runs (intentional/non-intentional drifts, either or). My question is, "Why?" I can see that course workers are at risk and safety is a large concern at the "track," but can't the course be made wider through turns or the time seperation to begin a run be widened from driver to driver? This probably falls into the "That's why AutoXing and Drifting will be seperate" category, but I think some flexing of the rules needs to be in place to "feel" how some drivers would react given the flexibility to make more "daring" maneuvers. If nothing else, in my view, the amateur/novice driver level would be raised at AutoXing...carryover into Road Racing?...
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i hate this topic. and i hate drifting like the desert hates the rain. read this http://www.grmotorsports.com/b...light= and you'll see how i feel about drifting.
on the topic of drifting in autox....
there's no place for it. autox is a timed event, drifting is a style event. case closed. don't mix the two. it's like putting orange juice in your cereal.
travis
-who has had orange juice in his cereal, and it's disgusting.
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Re: Drifting in the SCCA....? (tnord)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by tnord »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
i hate this topic. and i hate drifting like the desert hates the rain. read this http://www.grmotorsports.com/b...light= and you'll see how i feel about drifting.</TD></TR></TABLE>
That is nice. So why do you keep posting in these topics? Drifting has come to the US and it is here to stay. SCCA and NASA are both into it. It is going to get more popular and will probably get more press then your avg road racing series. Live with it.
i hate this topic. and i hate drifting like the desert hates the rain. read this http://www.grmotorsports.com/b...light= and you'll see how i feel about drifting.</TD></TR></TABLE>
That is nice. So why do you keep posting in these topics? Drifting has come to the US and it is here to stay. SCCA and NASA are both into it. It is going to get more popular and will probably get more press then your avg road racing series. Live with it.
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Re: Drifting in the SCCA....? (OptionMan)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by OptionMan »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> If nothing else, in my view, the amateur/novice driver level would be raised at AutoXing...carryover into Road Racing?</TD></TR></TABLE>
I have done neither auto-x or drifting, but it seems that drifting is not the fast way around an auto-x course. Why encourage a technique that makes one slower when the idea is to go around the course as fast as possible?
Until drifting competitions take technique AND time into consideration to determine a winner (similar to how ski jumping is for distance and judged for technique), I can't consider it a motorsport. It is simply a car show in motion.
I have done neither auto-x or drifting, but it seems that drifting is not the fast way around an auto-x course. Why encourage a technique that makes one slower when the idea is to go around the course as fast as possible?
Until drifting competitions take technique AND time into consideration to determine a winner (similar to how ski jumping is for distance and judged for technique), I can't consider it a motorsport. It is simply a car show in motion.
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Re: Drifting in the SCCA....? (tnord)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by tnord »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
i hate this topic. and i hate drifting like the desert hates the rain. read this http://www.grmotorsports.com/b...light= and you'll see how i feel about drifting.
on the topic of drifting in autox....
there's no place for it. autox is a timed event, drifting is a style event. case closed. don't mix the two. it's like putting orange juice in your cereal.
travis
-who has had orange juice in his cereal, and it's disgusting.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Just to clarify, I don't care for the "lifestyle" of drifting (whatever that is!?) myself.
I mean to ask how will drifting "change" driving habits/rules/events for the SCCA? I'd really like to see how more "mature" drivers would approach the subject/possibility as compared to younger drivers.
So...once again, see the original post and let me know what you guys think!
i hate this topic. and i hate drifting like the desert hates the rain. read this http://www.grmotorsports.com/b...light= and you'll see how i feel about drifting.
on the topic of drifting in autox....
there's no place for it. autox is a timed event, drifting is a style event. case closed. don't mix the two. it's like putting orange juice in your cereal.
travis
-who has had orange juice in his cereal, and it's disgusting.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Just to clarify, I don't care for the "lifestyle" of drifting (whatever that is!?) myself.
I mean to ask how will drifting "change" driving habits/rules/events for the SCCA? I'd really like to see how more "mature" drivers would approach the subject/possibility as compared to younger drivers.
So...once again, see the original post and let me know what you guys think!
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Re: Drifting in the SCCA....? (tnord)
To me, drifting is for exhibition only. While I would tend to say that it could be considered a sport because it takes skills and talent but not a "racing" sport. It's exactly the same as speed skating versus figure skating. They only common factors are ice skates (cars) and a skating ring (track/parking lot).
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Re: Drifting in the SCCA....? (SPiFF)
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1) So why do you keep posting in these topics?
2) Drifting has come to the US and it is here to stay.
3) SCCA and NASA are both into it. It is going to get more popular and will probably get more press then your avg road racing series.
4) Live with it.
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1) because he asked for opinions, and when there's something i don't like, i speak up. i'm not a passive person.
2) maybe. it'll be around for at least a few years. but it hasn't proved to be anything more than a fad YET.
3) i wish they weren't. and i really don't care who gets more press, that's not why i do it.
4) i will. but that doesn't mean i have to be happy about it.
1) So why do you keep posting in these topics?
2) Drifting has come to the US and it is here to stay.
3) SCCA and NASA are both into it. It is going to get more popular and will probably get more press then your avg road racing series.
4) Live with it.
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1) because he asked for opinions, and when there's something i don't like, i speak up. i'm not a passive person.
2) maybe. it'll be around for at least a few years. but it hasn't proved to be anything more than a fad YET.
3) i wish they weren't. and i really don't care who gets more press, that's not why i do it.
4) i will. but that doesn't mean i have to be happy about it.
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Re: Drifting in the SCCA....? (SPiFF)
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...Drifting has come to the US and it is here to stay...Live with it.</TD></TR></TABLE>
So has drug use, guns, and gangs... stating something has happened and applying the statement as a "reason" to embrace it is nonsense. Live with it.
...Drifting has come to the US and it is here to stay...Live with it.</TD></TR></TABLE>
So has drug use, guns, and gangs... stating something has happened and applying the statement as a "reason" to embrace it is nonsense. Live with it.
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Re: Drifting in the SCCA....? (OptionMan)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by OptionMan »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I mean to ask how will drifting "change" driving habits/rules/events for the SCCA? I'd really like to see how more "mature" drivers would approach the subject/possibility as compared to younger drivers.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Was having this talk with Cobetto on sunday.
Alot of the guys you see in magazines, movies, D1 GP, etc, were experienced road racers that are doing this as exhibition/money making/fun.
You have alot of kids that just do not have anywhere near the car control skills of a top level road racer going out there and doing this stuff, and expecting to compete with them, and it just doenst work. They're going at it from the wrong angle if they want to get to that level. As a fun/grassroots activity on cheap *** $20 used tires then why not - they look like they're having fun and are usually less (none, really) trouble/headache around an event site than an autocross event.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by tnord »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">4) i will. but that doesn't mean i have to be silent.</TD></TR></TABLE>
You could be less abrasive in voicing your opinion though.
Was having this talk with Cobetto on sunday.
Alot of the guys you see in magazines, movies, D1 GP, etc, were experienced road racers that are doing this as exhibition/money making/fun.
You have alot of kids that just do not have anywhere near the car control skills of a top level road racer going out there and doing this stuff, and expecting to compete with them, and it just doenst work. They're going at it from the wrong angle if they want to get to that level. As a fun/grassroots activity on cheap *** $20 used tires then why not - they look like they're having fun and are usually less (none, really) trouble/headache around an event site than an autocross event.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by tnord »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">4) i will. but that doesn't mean i have to be silent.</TD></TR></TABLE>
You could be less abrasive in voicing your opinion though.
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Re: Drifting in the SCCA....? (.RJ)
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Another situation of the pot calling the kettle black? LOL!
Another situation of the pot calling the kettle black? LOL!
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Re: Drifting in the SCCA....? (rickpeak)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by rickpeak »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I have done neither auto-x or drifting, but it seems that drifting is not the fast way around an auto-x course. Why encourage a technique that makes one slower when the idea is to go around the course as fast as possible?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Silly person... don't you understand that drifting is all about looks? It fits in well with the "look at me I'm cool" group, those who go to great expense to call attention to themselves with the gang-banger look, non-functional fins, body kits, huge wheels, brakes, and tires. Everything added only makes the car slower... but so does drifting.
It's kind of pathetic some are so insecure they will go to such lengths to "fit in." Of course what's cool changes from month to month, so they're always playing catch-up, as in, being constantly behind. Drifting fits that.
The louder someone yells that they're cool, the more certain the rest of us are that they are not.
Silly person... don't you understand that drifting is all about looks? It fits in well with the "look at me I'm cool" group, those who go to great expense to call attention to themselves with the gang-banger look, non-functional fins, body kits, huge wheels, brakes, and tires. Everything added only makes the car slower... but so does drifting.
It's kind of pathetic some are so insecure they will go to such lengths to "fit in." Of course what's cool changes from month to month, so they're always playing catch-up, as in, being constantly behind. Drifting fits that.
The louder someone yells that they're cool, the more certain the rest of us are that they are not.
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Screw drifting. What I don't get is why the road racers and autocrossers just sit back and let the drifters build a fan base and get mega sponsorship, while they sit in obscurity.
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Because people go watch drifting. Didnt californa speedway fill up at the first D1 event there? Thats exposure. There's sponsor return. No one goes to watch autocross or club racing events.
Because people go watch drifting. Didnt californa speedway fill up at the first D1 event there? Thats exposure. There's sponsor return. No one goes to watch autocross or club racing events.
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Downhill vs Freestyle skiing
Speed Skating vs. Figure skating
Motocross vs. X Games Freestyle
Road Racing vs. Drifting
All of these things have something in common (skis, skates, motorcycles, and cars) but are otherwise completely different. One is all about being the undisputed, king of the hill, "I crossed the line first," badass and the other is about style. More specifically, style in the eyes of a specific person (a judge).
I look at drifting the same way I look at the other "sports" in that category. They can be fun to watch and they certainly take some skill, but in the end theres always that "judgement" problem.
On another note, Road Racing suffers from lack of fan interest in comparison to drifting for the same reason it suffers in comparison to drag racing and roundy round. That is, that it is simply not fan friendly. The things that make RR awesome to DO are the exact things that make it shitty to watch. Mainly that you can only see about 1/8th (at best) of most tracks from any given vantage point. Americans are the short attention span kings of the world (we pay more attention to the President's tie than the actual content of his speech) and we like our entertainment simple and stupid (sad but true). Watching 1/8th of a 3.2 mile road course for 3 hours simply doesn't cut it for the "Survivor" "American Idol" and "SupRtunR TV" masses.
Drifting??? Shiney, pretty, blinged up cars making alot of noise and smoke??? Hell Yeah!!! More! More! Give us MOOOORRRREEEE!!!!
Scott, who knows only about .5 in 10 auto "enthusiasts" would care more about his little ITC Civic than a blingin' JDM Silvia with a turbo and a cusco cage and is perfectly OK with that.
PS - Why are NASA and SCCA involved in drifting now? Well, they need to be. Thats where the exposure is. Its good business.
Speed Skating vs. Figure skating
Motocross vs. X Games Freestyle
Road Racing vs. Drifting
All of these things have something in common (skis, skates, motorcycles, and cars) but are otherwise completely different. One is all about being the undisputed, king of the hill, "I crossed the line first," badass and the other is about style. More specifically, style in the eyes of a specific person (a judge).
I look at drifting the same way I look at the other "sports" in that category. They can be fun to watch and they certainly take some skill, but in the end theres always that "judgement" problem.
On another note, Road Racing suffers from lack of fan interest in comparison to drifting for the same reason it suffers in comparison to drag racing and roundy round. That is, that it is simply not fan friendly. The things that make RR awesome to DO are the exact things that make it shitty to watch. Mainly that you can only see about 1/8th (at best) of most tracks from any given vantage point. Americans are the short attention span kings of the world (we pay more attention to the President's tie than the actual content of his speech) and we like our entertainment simple and stupid (sad but true). Watching 1/8th of a 3.2 mile road course for 3 hours simply doesn't cut it for the "Survivor" "American Idol" and "SupRtunR TV" masses.
Drifting??? Shiney, pretty, blinged up cars making alot of noise and smoke??? Hell Yeah!!! More! More! Give us MOOOORRRREEEE!!!!
Scott, who knows only about .5 in 10 auto "enthusiasts" would care more about his little ITC Civic than a blingin' JDM Silvia with a turbo and a cusco cage and is perfectly OK with that.
PS - Why are NASA and SCCA involved in drifting now? Well, they need to be. Thats where the exposure is. Its good business.
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Re: Drifting in the SCCA....? (kb58)
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Silly person... don't you understand that drifting is all about looks? It fits in well with the "look at me I'm cool" group, those who go to great expense to call attention to themselves with the gang-banger look, non-functional fins, body kits, huge wheels, brakes, and tires. Everything added only makes the car slower... but so does drifting.
It's kind of pathetic some are so insecure they will go to such lengths to "fit in." Of course what's cool changes from month to month, so they're always playing catch-up, as in, being constantly behind. Drifting fits that.
The louder someone yells that they're cool, the more certain the rest of us are that they are not.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Hey, I bet that mini can drift really good!
I can see it now, kb58, d0rifto master!
Silly person... don't you understand that drifting is all about looks? It fits in well with the "look at me I'm cool" group, those who go to great expense to call attention to themselves with the gang-banger look, non-functional fins, body kits, huge wheels, brakes, and tires. Everything added only makes the car slower... but so does drifting.
It's kind of pathetic some are so insecure they will go to such lengths to "fit in." Of course what's cool changes from month to month, so they're always playing catch-up, as in, being constantly behind. Drifting fits that.
The louder someone yells that they're cool, the more certain the rest of us are that they are not.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Hey, I bet that mini can drift really good!
I can see it now, kb58, d0rifto master!
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Re: Drifting in the SCCA....? (alphajesse)
I am going to work corners at the SCCA Drift/World Challenge/Pro Spec Miata/FF200/ Pro IT event at Road Atlanta weekend after next. I don't really care for drifting but I am not going to get my panties in a wad over it. If somebody enjoys it then well OK with me. I will be there to help the other events happen. Actually when the drift event takes places the SCCA corner workers will be "off duty" by then. I will watch it with interest. Never watched it.
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Re: Drifting in the SCCA....? (alphajesse)
I guess I don't understand how it offends people (the scene, the sport, the concept). I personally don't think judged sports are any less, some of them are much harder than the point, timed, finish line varieties. Personally, coming from a martial arts background, I find watching kata at a tournament much more entertaining than fighting and weapons forms to me are the show to see. I could watch skaters on a half pipe for hours on end and I would gladly watch those folks that jump out of a helicopter atop a mountain and ski/snowboard down it vs. any timed competition.
In all honesty, being at a race is great but you only get to see your little section of viewable track. Its great for the sights and sounds and smells and being there factor but you see so little - in comparison, a drift contest right in front of you where all the action is right there - you don't miss anything. I wouldn't watch it on tv but in all honesty, unless you are pulling/watching for someone in a race, the drifting offers more to watch from the same viewing point.
Having seen a couple of these events that NASA put on, I can definately appreciate the skill and find it pretty cool to watch (and would bet that there were more folks lining the fence between LMS 3A-3B this year for the drifting than there were lining the entire track for any one race). I guess I just don't see how it detracts and in many ways it adds to the sport - how many folks will be introduced to something they've never seen before at the WC/Pro-IT/Drift weekend at RA in a few weeks?
In all honesty, being at a race is great but you only get to see your little section of viewable track. Its great for the sights and sounds and smells and being there factor but you see so little - in comparison, a drift contest right in front of you where all the action is right there - you don't miss anything. I wouldn't watch it on tv but in all honesty, unless you are pulling/watching for someone in a race, the drifting offers more to watch from the same viewing point.
Having seen a couple of these events that NASA put on, I can definately appreciate the skill and find it pretty cool to watch (and would bet that there were more folks lining the fence between LMS 3A-3B this year for the drifting than there were lining the entire track for any one race). I guess I just don't see how it detracts and in many ways it adds to the sport - how many folks will be introduced to something they've never seen before at the WC/Pro-IT/Drift weekend at RA in a few weeks?
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Kirk can put in good perspedctive,
Just like the NASCAR question. Would you turn down a ride and a chance to drive for a driftng team?
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Kirk can put in good perspedctive,
Just like the NASCAR question. Would you turn down a ride and a chance to drive for a driftng team?
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Kirk can put in good perspedctive,
Just like the NASCAR question. Would you turn down a ride and a chance to drive for a driftng team? </TD></TR></TABLE>
yes.
Kirk can put in good perspedctive,
Just like the NASCAR question. Would you turn down a ride and a chance to drive for a driftng team? </TD></TR></TABLE>
yes.
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Drifting is to racing what rollerblading is to extreme sports, it keeps all the jerks out of the skateboard parks
IMHO
We need drifting, without it they would all become HC racers or worse and hopefully it keeps them from really bad stuff like freeway racing
I am in no way knocking it but I only see this as further learning car control and completely abhore people who set there cars up like this on purpose
In other ways its excellent just like F&F was. Ex since there is now a flood of really cheap crap everywhere some of the good parts have come down in price and new parts are being engineered to a level not previuosly seen at these price rances
3 years ago I had never even seen a Ti exhaust and now even Magnaflow has them
IMHO
We need drifting, without it they would all become HC racers or worse and hopefully it keeps them from really bad stuff like freeway racing
I am in no way knocking it but I only see this as further learning car control and completely abhore people who set there cars up like this on purpose
In other ways its excellent just like F&F was. Ex since there is now a flood of really cheap crap everywhere some of the good parts have come down in price and new parts are being engineered to a level not previuosly seen at these price rances
3 years ago I had never even seen a Ti exhaust and now even Magnaflow has them
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Re: Drifting in the SCCA....? (zygspeed)
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Another situation of the pot calling the kettle black? LOL!</TD></TR></TABLE>
...says the frying pan.
Another situation of the pot calling the kettle black? LOL!</TD></TR></TABLE>
...says the frying pan.
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Re: Drifting in the SCCA....? (JeffS)
My Biggest problem with drifitng is this... Just as you guys complain about nascar, it is the same for drifitng, At the Drifting event LMS at the fist hyperfest... which car got the most cheers? The car that hit the Wall and wrecked, people are there to see some one f the car up.
Also people say that drifting is for the little people however all the pics I have seen of the big natonal events was it did not seem there were too many no coporate sponsered cars and drivers.... not so much for the litte people.
Also people say that drifting is for the little people however all the pics I have seen of the big natonal events was it did not seem there were too many no coporate sponsered cars and drivers.... not so much for the litte people.
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Re: Drifting in the SCCA....? (Solracer)
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Also people say that drifting is for the little people however all the pics I have seen of the big natonal events was it did not seem there were too many no coporate sponsered cars and drivers.... not so much for the litte people.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Drifting is quickly becoming about money - the little people have the money that the magazines, parts manufacturers and sanctioning bodies want to get - and that's about the end of their involvement.
The magazines hype it so they can sell advertisements
The sanctioning bodies allow it because the magazines and parts companies pay them to.
The parts companies sponsor the events because the magazine racers spend all their parent's money to look like their magazine idols.
Also people say that drifting is for the little people however all the pics I have seen of the big natonal events was it did not seem there were too many no coporate sponsered cars and drivers.... not so much for the litte people.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Drifting is quickly becoming about money - the little people have the money that the magazines, parts manufacturers and sanctioning bodies want to get - and that's about the end of their involvement.
The magazines hype it so they can sell advertisements
The sanctioning bodies allow it because the magazines and parts companies pay them to.
The parts companies sponsor the events because the magazine racers spend all their parent's money to look like their magazine idols.