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Although... each person only has 1 life. By the same token, each girl only have one father. So:

The girls have no father?
The girls have no fathers?!

Seems to me like both are okay... but I am not sure. I sucked at and hated English classes... especially creative writing.
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ok, but you said "...trolls have no life" that indicates more than one troll so they have lives.

either way drifting still sucks, and it's sad to see that CART has jumped on the bandwagon. What's next? H2's on 24's as the pace car?

 

Here is something to think about.

Prior to recently, when you think of drifting, you think Gilles Villeneuve getting sideways trying (and often) succeeding in getting every last drop of speed out of a car, or seeing World Rally drivers sliding on the fine line between the road and the trees. Obviously it was something that was rare since it isn't often that sliding the car around is the fastest way to take a corner.

Now you have something where the drivers intentionally slide the cars around, at every single opportunity. Doesn't it just trivialize the whole technique?

 

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yeah but female figure skaters are built up as sexual icons, even if their image is whitebread and wholesome.

someone brings up a good point of how short the collective attention span of the masses is these days. in a world with information at our fingertips, people can't be bothered to sit through a whole race, a whole game, a whole lecture to get the pertinent info they want: esp when they could just see the highlights on SC, the news, whatever.

i think what people have forgotten in this world of high flying dunks, d1 gp competitions, and NASCAR wrecks is the idea of competition and the undeniably compelling drama that goes along with fierce competition. no matter what i'm watching, if it's a dogfight, tooth and nail, it's gotta be interesting. but maybe that's an emotional investment people aren't willing to make.

i think it shows up the best in playoff baseball. with 162 games i think its hard for even hardcore fans to be interested in every single game, inning, ab--but when the playoffs start, everyone-players to fans-realizes that the game has changed. every pitch is agonizingly long. every foul ball in a 16 pitch at bat is heartwrenching. gives me goosebumps just thinknig about it...

now, if F1 could only give me those goosebumps on a more regular basis.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Sean O’Gorman &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'd be much more open to drifting if it wasn't so much more popular than road racing. ...</TD></TR></TABLE>

Envy = one of the deadly sins. I prefer Lust.

Kirk (who couldn't help but think about drifting while riding in a student's 240sx this past weekend.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by brasilracing &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">At the JGTC this past December there were more people in the stands for the D1 competition than for the JGTC race itself.
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I think that had a lot to do with the fact that the drifting was only taking place at one section of the track. During the race the crowd was spread out around the grounds and in another grandstand.

That said, I think a major failing of the race was that there were no jumbotrons where people could follow the action, and the announcing was nonexistent. How are people going to get into it if they don't know who's leading, don't know much about the cars, can't tell what happened where...

Point is, road racing needs to improve the show in several areas. ALMS did an excellent job of this when I saw them at the National GP but ALMS has a problem with car count right now. If World Challenge consistently provided better coverage, advertised better, and made the series more fan friendly it'd be a lot more popular right now.

 

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That said, I think a major failing of the race was that there were no jumbotrons where people could follow the action, and the announcing was nonexistent. How are people going to get into it if they don't know who's leading, don't know much about the cars, can't tell what happened where...

</TD></TR></TABLE> I definitely agree with that.

 

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Any idiot can break the rear loose on there car, but when you see proffesionals do it @ 100 + it comes down a supreme cajones factor.

My only gripe is that Japanese still own us @ it perhaps in revenge for what our olympic basketball team does to theres

Honda Challenge / Cup will never be as popular because like I said "any idiot" and RR takes a prolonged skill that many people have a hard time relating too and there organizers have'nt figure out the festival and marketing aspect of it

I mean come on even people at the drag strip had no idea that cali speedway was having a road course event.

The best thing for NASA and SCCA is to include these venues as much as possible and let there potential member decide for themselves.

I have to admit during the JGTC fan lap I contemplated busting out some FF dori in the cibic for the fans but my ultimate expulsion from the event would have been no fun however thanks to the truck in front of me taking off down the straights I got to hit a couple turns at a good clip suprising the NS-X behind me

 

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They have a basketball team?

One thing we have to admit about HC is that its still amateur racing. Maybe something like a HC national championship race would fly at JGTC but a regular HC race would merely be a support race at something like JGTC. WC would be more appropriate for something like that IMO. And like I said earlier, even they are missing the boat on several things.

 

Well it's only fair since 1 JGTC car is worth more than the entire HC field put together and 1 race draws more spectator than all HC races for a year

However even as a support race they would get huge exposure and marketability to draw in bigger sponsors and therefore put on bigger/better events

Hopefully someone is listening/learning

WC has become something that is in the relm of imposibilty for most people - I mean who pictures the USDM TS-X as a race car ?

Maybe with the new 06 civic it will return to something I can relate to as 175K BMW's isn't

 

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it will still take alot of money for a civic to keep up with a 175k bmw.

 

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I think WC is still relevant its just that the rules are a bit too loose and the everyone is fighting harder to win, hence the big budgets. The cars still use the architecture of the street cars and use the same engines (albeit engines on steroids). You may not be able to replicate the performance of a Turner BMW but as a BMW fan you still root for the car that you might have in your garage. Yeah I can't afford to spend what Realtime did on their TSX (or NSX) but I root for them anyway.

As far as HC being a support race, I think that's an awesome idea. If we're going to have a national championship race I think that would be the place to do it. Yeah its a long haul but it'd be much more worth it in sponsor value than having it out in the middle of Kansas.

 

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What do you mean still own us? They never did. Just because they do it in riced out cars doesn't mean ****. At least our guys are racing for position while doing it.

 

those would be a lot cooler if they drift left as well as right. there was a editorial about sprint cars in racecar engineering a while back that was pretty cool.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by brasilracing &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">At the JGTC this past December there were more people in the stands for the D1 competition than for the JGTC race itself.

I think a-lot of it has to do with the marketing hype along with the short man to man competition that keeps the crowds attention.

I didn't think D1 would be that entertaining but I was impressed. It's all about marketing and with proper marketing you can make chopped liver interesting.

Also, the drivers are skillful and do put on a good show - in the end it's just entertainment.

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This is very true. Many people are exposed to drifting now-a-days and the JGTC scene. This is the reason why so many people watch it, they know it is happening. Honda challenge, for instance, is an exciting series but where is the coverage? A couple of magazine shots here and there? A small article of HC in the back of your favorite car magazine?

That compared to the drifting, drag races, and what ever else on every other page amounts to something.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nonsense &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">What do you mean still own us? They never did. Just because they do it in riced out cars doesn't mean ****. At least our guys are racing for position while doing it.


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Man if we got some sprint car drivers out for D1 next year they'd ******* destroy the Japanese. I need to put this one in my "Evil Schemes Matrix"....

 

scca pro rally is done too right? one gotta think some of them has to be eyeing drifting.

 

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yes and no. The SCCA is done with it, but it not done. There's another group running it (can't reacall off the top of my head tho). Where do you think Rhys Millen came from tho. Rally guys probably laugh at how bad these guys drift.

 

Rhys is famous cuz he drove my delly. *chuckles*

 

YEa that vid is kinda weird, is all cool untill they start doing tricks with cars and motorcycles like jumping ito a car while doin donuts

but the drivers are definately skilled at what they do

 

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dude
concrete and dirt are not even in the same ballpark.

 

Let's bring out SAT style analogies!

Drifting : Racing

as

WWE/F : Wrestling

and

Figure Skating : Speed Skating

Basically, what I'm saying is that what makes drifting so big is that they market it better, and it's all flashy-type stuff to draw crowds, like figure skating or WWE/F.

dohcbag, who thinks that drifting gets no .

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dohcbag &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Let's bring out SAT style analogies!

Drifting : Racing

as

WWE/F : Wrestling

and

Figure Skating : Speed Skating

Basically, what I'm saying is that what makes drifting so big is that they market it better, and it's all flashy-type stuff to draw crowds, like figure skating or WWE/F.

dohcbag, who thinks that drifting gets no .</TD></TR></TABLE>

how about

Drifting : Racing

as

TyBo : Kickboxing

 

that guy in the covertible is the kei office driver

 

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how about

Drifting : Racing

as

TyBo : Kickboxing

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that's none sense.