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Old 08-08-2008, 11:46 AM
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Default question... car floating and torque steering horribly on the big end.

as the topic states having some issues at speed with the car basically wanting to change lanes on me and it feels like a cadillac on worn out air suspension up front.

pretty scary stuff at 100mph spinning alone, but the floating makes it actaully down right unsafe feeling.

I am running just an eibach spring, non adjustable shock setup, new 225/50/15 drag radials (20psi evenly in both), urethane mounts, etc... btw this is in a '95 accord 4dr. car is well maintained 90k mile car.

need some suggestions on what all I should think about doing... suspension needs help I am thinking of going to a nex gt coilover setup or maybe gc's/ kyb agx's (we are limited for options on suspension). what else can or should I do???!!!???
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Default Re: question... car floating and torque steering horribly on the big end. (twkdCD595)

oh it does have a limited slip in the transmission btw and this is not a daily driver.
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Default Re: question... car floating and torque steering horribly on the big end. (twkdCD595)

C'mon, a 95 Accord can't possibly be fast enough to have those problems.
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its your fault.
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I don't think I'll ever forget the trailer 'incident'...
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Default Re: question... car floating and torque steering horribly on the big end. (twkdCD595)

Go here and call Joey and tell him your problems or ask if he can put you in touch with Ed. Ed is a shock engineer. He helped rota's car run the numbers.

http://www.progressauto.com/index.html

You can tell Joey, Ryan Smith sent you. They'll take good care of you. If you like the quality of Tony's stuff, you'll be happy with Progress.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Suprdave &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I don't think I'll ever forget the trailer 'incident'...</TD></TR></TABLE>

DAVE!!! hey man, yea that one had me a little emotional (I figured I was doomed and trashed everything)... I am going to repress that little breakdown and deny everything since I have aged a little/ become a little more thick skinned so to say. tryed to give you a ring a little while back but my contact information was apparently out of date.

1992si: thank you I will do that. so I gather you think that I am on the right track with the suspension changes first? thanks agian.
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I think the comedic highlights were right before your first call to pops, and when the redneck with the tow truck hooked up a chain...left 4 feet of slack and then just floored his ****. It really wasn't funny tho, but when something like that happens you can only laugh hahaha. You shoulda saw the look on my face when I got there...I gotta look for pics I know I took some .

Glad to hear the boat is back together now!
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Short of an alignment problem, if your bushings are ok and nothing is broken. That's all that's left.

If you watch video's of rota's car, even before the wheelie bar, the car had very little body movement at speed, or shifting. That's all thanks to Ed. He spent time listening to Ryan and guiding and teaching Ryan what ask and what is needed to make the car run true.

As you said there's not much for your year Accord, so there may not be much in the open market to make your chassis perform like drag Civics. Ed can fix that for you.

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oh sweet jesus, you took pictures... hopefully none of them have me at the point just before I called my pops to tell him and I was on my knees telling the lord to strike me down right then to spare me. then as it would turn out, he laughed it off and only asked if my car was ok. this last road trip i towed with a bigger truck just in case I tried to back the trailer off in loose gravel shoulder agian.

1992si, I very much appreciate it... getting the car to run true is the big task right now so I can take advantage of the power I have left untouched thus far.

I am in the process of changing out bushings through the suspension to make sure I have good urethane components that are 100%. I will be contacting progress soon as well, esp. hearing and seeing how it helped rotas car.
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I had the same problem on my 430whp itr. Past 100mph the thing would be nearly uncontrollable veering left and right. I got it re aligned by a speed shop this time instead of a chain shop and problems are solved. I've had it at the limiter in 5th and it feels good relatively. So try that maybe it will help.
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yea I am going to try a realignment as well... see if that temp. helps until i get the new suspension on and then i will start over with a fresh alignment of that setup. the place that did my alignment last was kinda bitchy about my car being slightly lower than stock.
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if you have access to some simple alignment plates, i would do the alignment yourself.
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Default Re: question... car floating and torque steering horribly on the big end. (twkdCD595)

i have this prob too. gets scary to drive.. when testing on the highway with drag radials its bad. it makes me scared to run it again at the track with the big slicks.. i had mine aligned too but still pulls to the right a bit going about 100 or more it gets worse.i wanna fix it before i run again. i dunno if it has anything to do with all the weight ive taken out or what..
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Default Re: question... car floating and torque steering horribly on the big end. (97grnrs)

Think about what you guy's are asking your family cars to do. You need to upgrade the suspension to something designed for drag racing, or something that will work for both Drag and street.

http://www.progressauto.com/

call Joey and talk with him. Tell him who sent you. See my above post.

You need to have a correct alignment. rota's car was set up to spec on the alignment rack with the Progress Drag kit by our local mechanic that aligns cars everyday. The car has always run straight and never had any funny handling since the Progress stuff.

Before that the car was a handful when the GT35R hit boost. Believe me I used to drive it before the kit. One night street tuning, the Tuner said to me, "I've been in 400+hp Honda's, this is the first car that scared me". That was with the GT35R and 280whp on the D16. I told Ryan it's time for suspension.

He called around to some of the big names and found Joey and Ed to be the only guy's that would take the time to talk with him, remember he was 16 or 17 and teach him what is needed. Great customer service.


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Default Re: question... car floating and torque steering horribly on the big end. (tony1)

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Default Re: question... car floating and torque steering horribly on the big end. (IT'S ME DAVID)

the front radius rod bushings are probably to blame, when those things get worn out the car will feel really loose.
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Default Re: question... car floating and torque steering horribly on the big end. (JDogg)

I should clarify that my single cam 95 accord can't possibly be fast enough to have those problems.

hrm good thought, will be next on my list for urethane... or would I be better to go with a sperical bushing maybe. i can get those for both the radius rod and the lca.


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I still think it's a alignment issue. I'd do that first as it's quick and easy.
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the sphericals are good, but urathane or new stock will work good.

does the car wander under hard braking?

if its straight under hard braking then id say alignment for sure. if it wanders bad then its those bushings.
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