<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Aggressive Racing &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">If you are going by what people said in the archives that was before people actually went out and tried them...I can guaranty 95% of them dont even have them on there cars no more..
Back in the day people used to use chains to stop the travel until they came out with the Wheelie bars. </TD></TR></TABLE>

I saw a car being built now in the present day for a 10.5W class using chains as limiters. I have no idea how that would work, I imagine chain links would stretch a lot faster than Kevlar but who knows.

Also, if they don't work, then how come a lot of people who win races use them and swear by them? If they did not work or worse yet, if they hindered performance, they would not use them.

 

We used to run limit straps back in the day and they worked very well if setup right. We had them on Deep Stage's car and that car consistently went mid 1.3 60's. I think the most common problem is people setting them up too tight.

 

Any input on how effective this is over kevlar straps?

 

lol. i used to go dirt racing with my father, so ive seen it before ! (we still have 2 modifieds here )


curious, if you "solid mount" the car when you tow it, not to mess with the "spring rate of the bars" ? put blocks under it or chain the suspension ?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by tony1 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">We used to run limit straps back in the day and they worked very well if setup right. We had them on Deep Stage's car and that car consistently went mid 1.3 60's. I think the most common problem is people setting them up too tight.</TD></TR></TABLE>

FWD with wheelie bars or RWD?

 

FWD with wheelie bars.

The only reason i don't run limit straps is because the OMNI's do the same thing as the limit straps do. They have very limited rebound if setup correctly because you adjust the length of the shock rather than the spring perch to change ride height.

 

is that the front of a mustang ? you are comparing a fwd to a rwd....

 

I'm not attempting to compare FWD to RWD, the two are way too different. All I'm asking is whether chains are at all worth considering over kevlar straps. As Tony said in a different thread, domestic guys know a lot more about suspension setups so maybe there's some advantage there over kevlar straps.

EDIT: Yes, that's a Fox Mustang from the DFW area.

 

More then likely they choose the chains over kevlar cause of the adjustablility and the kevlar come in set lengths.

 

Well i dont know about other setups cause they all vary,but in my experiences they are not worth the time and money..Maybe its more effective with wheelie bars cause the wheelie bars limit the amount of travel as well..But for the average joe that has little to no experience on setting up suspensions i would say dont bother cause it will in fact make traction worse...

 

Like you pointed out, the limiting straps come in set lengths but setups vary from car to car... the suspension needs to be setup properly to take advantage of the straps.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DaveF &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">


how can you argue with some of the quickest suspension available? 1.2X 60's !!!! can you say, OMNI POWER !


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1) pic is the same thing as omnis
2) pic is cheaper
3) pic has quickest shipping ive ever experienced
4) best customer service ive ever experieneced, very knowledgable
5) they are never on backorder like omnis are all the time


but hey if you like waiting on backorder for months go right ahead lol.

bought my whole drag suspension and 4.7 final drive from them and had such good experiences that i wanted to share.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by tony1 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The only reason i don't run limit straps is because the OMNI's do the same thing as the limit straps do.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Care to share the 60fts you're hitting with the OMNI's?

 

PIC's are not cheaper than the omni's. Especially if you want the front's too, you have to buy a whole other kit for $650, which equals like $1100. OMNI's are 400shipped for the rears, and $750 shipped for whole kit....if you can find them that is.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by narfdanarf &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">PIC's are not cheaper than the omni's. Especially if you want the front's too, you have to buy a whole other kit for $650, which equals like $1100. OMNI's are 400shipped for the rears, and $750 shipped for whole kit....if you can find them that is.</TD></TR></TABLE>

if youre talking about the non-adjustable apex's its $760 for all 4. and $420 for just the drag rears. $1060 for all 4 that are adjustable which you dont really need. ok so they might not be cheaper but basically the same price. i decided to pay $10 more when i checked with every omni dealer in the states and they didnt have any.

 

That's good to know. Last time I tried to buy them I was informed I would have to buy the drag rears for $400 something and then I could add on a set of non adjustables for $650 extra = nearly $1100 and I'd get 6 coilovers, of which I didn't need 2.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by narfdanarf &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">That's good to know. Last time I tried to buy them I was informed I would have to buy the drag rears for $400 something and then I could add on a set of non adjustables for $650 extra = nearly $1100 and I'd get 6 coilovers, of which I didn't need 2.</TD></TR></TABLE>

oh no... they will let you mix and match anything and everything to your liking. and you dont have to buy 6 coilovers lol

 

if they really are the same stuff, then that is good to know

are they any shock dyno's on both sets ?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DaveF &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">if they really are the same stuff, then that is good to know

are they any shock dyno's on both sets ? </TD></TR></TABLE>

go to their site, everything is on their. or email them. they are very nice and helpful.

i cut 1.61 60 foots with them on my simple setup.. its consistent 1.6's.

my car is mainly a street car. it doesnt see the track that often but i love them on the street as well.

 

Sounds like I should wait until I have a solid suspension setup before I go out and try limiting straps.

It also sounds like they may be something to try, but it seems to have been proven that you can do the same thing or better with a proper suspension setup.

keep it coming guys this is great!

 

My question is....

Would this benefit a car like mine (88-91 Prelude), since I really have no aftermarket options?

Pretty much my suspension is Skunk2 Drag Coilovers from the integra. Stock Struts on front and tokico blues on the rear. Of course all new bushings, etc Custom made traction bars on the way....


Could I see gains with the limit straps?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 2point2 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Care to share the 60fts you're hitting with the OMNI's? </TD></TR></TABLE>

Depends entirely on the track, but my best has been a 1.57, and i average 1.59-1.62.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by gc8dc95 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">My question is....

Would this benefit a car like mine (88-91 Prelude), since I really have no aftermarket options?

Pretty much my suspension is Skunk2 Drag Coilovers from the integra. Stock Struts on front and tokico blues on the rear. Of course all new bushings, etc Custom made traction bars on the way....


Could I see gains with the limit straps?</TD></TR></TABLE>


no... your drag setup in the rear is just as good.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Axle &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Be sure when you search the forums that you check the archived forums. I found 7 threads with "limiting straps" in the title.

As someone pointed out in an older thread, they do work and work effectively but... only if the suspension is reconfigured to get the most advantage out of them. If they are not configured correctly, they'll likely pull up on the control arms too much as was posted above.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Thnx Bro! I'm a bit of a newb to this forum&gt; Being able to search archived content has answered alot of stupid questions lol