!!!!Kaizenspeed does it again!!!
Last edited by jdm inc; Mar 14, 2013 at 04:08 PM.
Not really.
The Meyers rear setup includes a shock mounting setup that is changeable and quite different from this. It includes a LCA and mounts to the OEM points only.
Both work and reduce weight for sure, which is a big advantage along with the +1 wheelbase.
The Meyers rear setup includes a shock mounting setup that is changeable and quite different from this. It includes a LCA and mounts to the OEM points only.
Both work and reduce weight for sure, which is a big advantage along with the +1 wheelbase.
There's no toe adjustment. The rear directly affects how the car tracks so that will be very dangerous on these 1000+whp fwd drag cars. Also why keep oem style rear lca's? The bushings will bind when you adjust the wheel base. Looks like a nice piece but its a terrible design
I have aligned a drag car with the Myers rear and that is a very nice design. Toe is adjusted by the rear lca which made it very easy to dial in the rear toe
I have aligned a drag car with the Myers rear and that is a very nice design. Toe is adjusted by the rear lca which made it very easy to dial in the rear toe
There is a simple fix for this. Build an adjustable spherical bearing rear lca to go with the kit. Then you run into the issue of it not using all oem mounting locations which will be an issue for racers at OGS events over here on the east coast
I actually just noticed that after looking at it again. I take back my previous comment about no toe adjustment. It still is not good to have an adjustable wheel base with an oem style lca. It will bind the bushings
Personally i think it provides a variety of options which are applicable to guys running oem lcas and guys who want to extend the wheel base and use custom lcas
I guess the real question is kaizen speed going to have spherical lca's as an option for those who want to extend their wheel base
Coming soon just the prototype version it's been tested on a couple of 8sec drag cars. Some should be heading to the northwest just to be sure they work properly.
That's all
That's all
They arent shorter, Made in America. Won't talk anymore about them on here. Just figured I'd answer a question.
Any questions people can email me. Ahobbs@honda-tech.com
Any questions people can email me. Ahobbs@honda-tech.com
Last edited by ahobbs; Mar 15, 2013 at 06:50 AM.
wouldn't the lca need to be shorter if the kit tucks the wheels more than the oem trailing arm assembly ? i can see how an oem length lower control arm might work if the wheel base gets extended, but lets say the end user chose to run this setup in a street car and wanted the wheel in a normal position in the wheel opening, how would that work ?
Why use OEM style LCAs?
I designed these arms to utilize the stock LCA for two main reasons. First was to keep cost down. Many of the guys out there have already spent good money on aftermarket LCAs and suspension. This allows them to use what they already have or the ability to pick from tons of stock replacement options. Second, I wanted the design to be very similiar to the stock configuration for those who must comply with strict rules about suspension.
How wheelbase adjustment effects bushing alignment
I want all of you to go lay under your car and look and the LCAs. You will notice that in the stock position the control arms are slightly forward. the relationship between the spindle and LCA mount is not stock allowing me to get +.750" wheelbase without changing any of the factory geometry. As the wheelbase is increased the LCA angle and bushing alignment actually get better. Adjust the wheelbase closer to stock increases the angle on the bushing, but nowhere near the point of binding anything up. As the target comsumer of this product is the die hard drag race guy the arms were designed to have the optimum bushing alignment at +.750" to 1.000" wheelbase. Hobbs has shown picturs of spherical LCAs that will apply to the guys and want to adjust the arms beyond the factory bushing or simply have the piece of mind of have free movement of a spherical bearing.
Below is a picture of a civic with stock trailing. You can notice the slightly forward angle of the LCA in the stock position.
I designed these arms to utilize the stock LCA for two main reasons. First was to keep cost down. Many of the guys out there have already spent good money on aftermarket LCAs and suspension. This allows them to use what they already have or the ability to pick from tons of stock replacement options. Second, I wanted the design to be very similiar to the stock configuration for those who must comply with strict rules about suspension.
How wheelbase adjustment effects bushing alignment
I want all of you to go lay under your car and look and the LCAs. You will notice that in the stock position the control arms are slightly forward. the relationship between the spindle and LCA mount is not stock allowing me to get +.750" wheelbase without changing any of the factory geometry. As the wheelbase is increased the LCA angle and bushing alignment actually get better. Adjust the wheelbase closer to stock increases the angle on the bushing, but nowhere near the point of binding anything up. As the target comsumer of this product is the die hard drag race guy the arms were designed to have the optimum bushing alignment at +.750" to 1.000" wheelbase. Hobbs has shown picturs of spherical LCAs that will apply to the guys and want to adjust the arms beyond the factory bushing or simply have the piece of mind of have free movement of a spherical bearing.
Below is a picture of a civic with stock trailing. You can notice the slightly forward angle of the LCA in the stock position.
wouldn't the lca need to be shorter if the kit tucks the wheels more than the oem trailing arm assembly ? i can see how an oem length lower control arm might work if the wheel base gets extended, but lets say the end user chose to run this setup in a street car and wanted the wheel in a normal position in the wheel opening, how would that work ?
Adjustability
The arms have full adjustability of camber and toe. Wheelbase is adjustable from +.500" to +2.000" without any negetive effect on the LCA bushing.
Rules
Can someone quote teh rules that state "ALL" factory mount points must be used? If that where true than all the trailing arm options would be illegal (i.e. Myers, NRG, etc.) because the suspension mount location. However, if the addition of a toe piece is needed to comply with rules I am more than happy to make something to satisfy that requirement.
Some more pictures



The arms have full adjustability of camber and toe. Wheelbase is adjustable from +.500" to +2.000" without any negetive effect on the LCA bushing.
Rules
Can someone quote teh rules that state "ALL" factory mount points must be used? If that where true than all the trailing arm options would be illegal (i.e. Myers, NRG, etc.) because the suspension mount location. However, if the addition of a toe piece is needed to comply with rules I am more than happy to make something to satisfy that requirement.
Some more pictures







