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Old Mar 14, 2013 | 01:01 PM
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Those pics suckass...
Can someone post details and a few BETTER pics.
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Old Mar 14, 2013 | 01:07 PM
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Old Mar 14, 2013 | 01:11 PM
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Old Mar 14, 2013 | 02:42 PM
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Any installation pictures?
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Old Mar 14, 2013 | 03:21 PM
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Can we get some better front pictures
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Old Mar 14, 2013 | 03:34 PM
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http://www.kstuned.com/collections/k...staging-brakes

how to you adjust toe?

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Old Mar 14, 2013 | 03:56 PM
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Looks nice
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Old Mar 14, 2013 | 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by SR20S13
Looks like a lot like a myers rear suspension
Not really.

The Meyers rear setup includes a shock mounting setup that is changeable and quite different from this. It includes a LCA and mounts to the OEM points only.

Both work and reduce weight for sure, which is a big advantage along with the +1 wheelbase.
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Old Mar 14, 2013 | 04:48 PM
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very nice stuff
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Old Mar 14, 2013 | 05:11 PM
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There's no toe adjustment. The rear directly affects how the car tracks so that will be very dangerous on these 1000+whp fwd drag cars. Also why keep oem style rear lca's? The bushings will bind when you adjust the wheel base. Looks like a nice piece but its a terrible design

I have aligned a drag car with the Myers rear and that is a very nice design. Toe is adjusted by the rear lca which made it very easy to dial in the rear toe
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Old Mar 14, 2013 | 05:22 PM
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There is a simple fix for this. Build an adjustable spherical bearing rear lca to go with the kit. Then you run into the issue of it not using all oem mounting locations which will be an issue for racers at OGS events over here on the east coast
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Old Mar 14, 2013 | 05:59 PM
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The mount on the front is adjustable for toe. See the nut on each side?
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Old Mar 14, 2013 | 06:05 PM
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I actually just noticed that after looking at it again. I take back my previous comment about no toe adjustment. It still is not good to have an adjustable wheel base with an oem style lca. It will bind the bushings
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Old Mar 14, 2013 | 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by EGhatchNJ
I actually just noticed that after looking at it again. I take back my previous comment about no toe adjustment. It still is not good to have an adjustable wheel base with an oem style lca. It will bind the bushings
Who said you had to adjust it?

Personally i think it provides a variety of options which are applicable to guys running oem lcas and guys who want to extend the wheel base and use custom lcas
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Old Mar 14, 2013 | 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by 98vtec
Who said you had to adjust it?

Personally i think it provides a variety of options which are applicable to guys running oem lcas and guys who want to extend the wheel base and use custom lcas
I guess the real question is kaizen speed going to have spherical lca's as an option for those who want to extend their wheel base
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Old Mar 14, 2013 | 09:20 PM
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Coming soon just the prototype version it's been tested on a couple of 8sec drag cars. Some should be heading to the northwest just to be sure they work properly.
That's all

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Old Mar 15, 2013 | 02:24 AM
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Coming soon just the prototype version it's been tested on a couple of 8sec drag cars. Some should be heading to the northwest just to be sure they work properly.
That's all

so whos making those shorter lca?
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Old Mar 15, 2013 | 04:53 AM
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Very nice!
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Old Mar 15, 2013 | 06:29 AM
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They arent shorter, Made in America. Won't talk anymore about them on here. Just figured I'd answer a question.

Any questions people can email me. Ahobbs@honda-tech.com

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Old Mar 15, 2013 | 11:14 AM
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wouldn't the lca need to be shorter if the kit tucks the wheels more than the oem trailing arm assembly ? i can see how an oem length lower control arm might work if the wheel base gets extended, but lets say the end user chose to run this setup in a street car and wanted the wheel in a normal position in the wheel opening, how would that work ?
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Old Mar 15, 2013 | 11:28 AM
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Why use OEM style LCAs?

I designed these arms to utilize the stock LCA for two main reasons. First was to keep cost down. Many of the guys out there have already spent good money on aftermarket LCAs and suspension. This allows them to use what they already have or the ability to pick from tons of stock replacement options. Second, I wanted the design to be very similiar to the stock configuration for those who must comply with strict rules about suspension.


How wheelbase adjustment effects bushing alignment

I want all of you to go lay under your car and look and the LCAs. You will notice that in the stock position the control arms are slightly forward. the relationship between the spindle and LCA mount is not stock allowing me to get +.750" wheelbase without changing any of the factory geometry. As the wheelbase is increased the LCA angle and bushing alignment actually get better. Adjust the wheelbase closer to stock increases the angle on the bushing, but nowhere near the point of binding anything up. As the target comsumer of this product is the die hard drag race guy the arms were designed to have the optimum bushing alignment at +.750" to 1.000" wheelbase. Hobbs has shown picturs of spherical LCAs that will apply to the guys and want to adjust the arms beyond the factory bushing or simply have the piece of mind of have free movement of a spherical bearing.

Below is a picture of a civic with stock trailing. You can notice the slightly forward angle of the LCA in the stock position.

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Old Mar 15, 2013 | 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by DaveF
wouldn't the lca need to be shorter if the kit tucks the wheels more than the oem trailing arm assembly ? i can see how an oem length lower control arm might work if the wheel base gets extended, but lets say the end user chose to run this setup in a street car and wanted the wheel in a normal position in the wheel opening, how would that work ?
These arms DO NOT "tuck" the wheel. The hubs are only .300" inward from stock. The length of the LCA does not need to be shorter as I'm building my own spindles that do not have the same relationship between the spindle and where the LCA mounts.
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Old Mar 15, 2013 | 11:42 AM
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Adjustability

The arms have full adjustability of camber and toe. Wheelbase is adjustable from +.500" to +2.000" without any negetive effect on the LCA bushing.


Rules

Can someone quote teh rules that state "ALL" factory mount points must be used? If that where true than all the trailing arm options would be illegal (i.e. Myers, NRG, etc.) because the suspension mount location. However, if the addition of a toe piece is needed to comply with rules I am more than happy to make something to satisfy that requirement.

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Old Mar 15, 2013 | 11:44 AM
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Old Mar 15, 2013 | 11:52 AM
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Andy, does your setup require use of those brakes? Looks like oem won't mount to it, correct?
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