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Old Apr 1, 2011 | 01:49 PM
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Placing all electronics; EMS, injector driver, msd 6al, msd ignitor in one spot. Would there be any issues with the ignition interfering with the EMS in this position?

I have seen a lot of drag guys, with this done already. Is there anything you guys are doing to make it all work, that's not shown in pictures, like MSD noise filters etc?

This is my setup, and how it will be placed....possible issues?

Any input would be great, thanks

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Old Apr 1, 2011 | 02:14 PM
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The best place to put a 6AL is in a garbage can.
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Old Apr 1, 2011 | 02:35 PM
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i always had good luck wit the MSD 6-Series boxes on a few things ive had them on.
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Old Apr 1, 2011 | 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by 2point2
The best place to put a 6AL is in a garbage can.
x2 put the stock **** back in the car with an accel internal coil
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Old Apr 1, 2011 | 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted by 2point2
The best place to put a 6AL is in a garbage can.
LOL.I had my M&W,Hondata,MSD coil and FJO injector driver within inches of each other with no issues.
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Old Apr 1, 2011 | 08:11 PM
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thanks, at least 1 guy with proper input
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Old Apr 1, 2011 | 09:15 PM
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all the electronics are inside a metal box....they cant interfer with each other. and dont listen to these asshats about your msd box....me and countless others have been running them for years without issue....ive had my msd sci-l box in car the since 2001.

you want some real fact....lookup faraday cage http://www.search.com/reference/Faraday_cage your electronics are inside of small faraday cages. the only way you could get interence is if you used shitty wire on anything sensitive in which case you just get sheilded wire problem solved.
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Old Apr 2, 2011 | 01:49 AM
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Originally Posted by 2k.civic.si
all the electronics are inside a metal box....they cant interfer with each other. and dont listen to these asshats about your msd box....me and countless others have been running them for years without issue....ive had my msd sci-l box in car the since 2001.

you want some real fact....lookup faraday cage http://www.search.com/reference/Faraday_cage your electronics are inside of small faraday cages. the only way you could get interence is if you used shitty wire on anything sensitive in which case you just get sheilded wire problem solved.
Oh, really?

Those electronics are NOT in a Faraday cage. It's just in a ****ing metal enclosure....

The only part I agree with is that you can get interferance if you use crappy wire and un shielded wire on things that should be shielded. I've had ign timing jump around due to shitty wire. You definately don't want to experience that....
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Old Apr 2, 2011 | 05:47 AM
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If I were you I wouldn't mount them that close
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Old Apr 2, 2011 | 06:49 AM
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Originally Posted by 2k.civic.si
dont listen to these asshats about your msd box....me and countless others have been running them for years without issue....ive had my msd sci-l box in car the since 2001.
im not saying it dont work,it just dont work as good the stock honda ing.
iv taken msd units off of many hondas and put the stock ing. back on, resulting in smother graphs and picking up power

fyi msd says not to use a 6series box above 12.5.1 or 8psi and a msd sci-L is just a 6al painted a diff color marketed for the import crowd at a higher price lol, and the L at the end of sci means it has a rev Limiter
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Old Apr 2, 2011 | 08:21 AM
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Ive gone from MSD to stock and M&W multiple times and picked up power and ended up with a much smoother Dyno graph. Doesn't take a genius to figure out something isn't right with them.
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Old Apr 2, 2011 | 10:00 AM
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I've had great luck with the m&w stuff. They seem to be a bit noisy though when using a Honda ecu especially. Works great if u mount the box far away from the ecu though. Always try to route the harness far away from everything too
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Old Apr 2, 2011 | 11:00 AM
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Default Re: EMS/ignition placement affecting function?

Originally Posted by tepid1
Oh, really?

Those electronics are NOT in a Faraday cage. It's just in a ****ing metal enclosure....

The only part I agree with is that you can get interferance if you use crappy wire and un shielded wire on things that should be shielded. I've had ign timing jump around due to shitty wire. You definately don't want to experience that....
your an idiot....all a faraday cage is conducting metal surrounding the electronics. these are clearly in a faraday cage by anyone with half a brain....these companies do this for 2 reason 1 to block emi from effecting their electronics and 2 to keep their electronics from effecting electronics around them.

"It's just in a ****ing metal enclosure" thats exactly what a faraday cage is LOL

lets look at the definition of a faraday cage for uneducated
- A Faraday cage is a metallic enclosure that prevents the entry or escape of an electromagnetic field (EM field).

your cell phone has a very small faraday cage in it covering the output transistor and another one over the reciever to keep them from interferring with each other.....your microwave is in a giant metal box aka faraday cage which keep you from getting cooked staring at your tv dinner....nearly any or all electronics are either in a metal enclosure of some type or if you take them apart you will find a small metal boxed soldered to the pcb over the sensitive electronics. these are all examples of a faraday cage.

can you spot the faraday cage in this picture?

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Old Apr 2, 2011 | 11:14 AM
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Default Re: EMS/ignition placement affecting function?

Originally Posted by Turbo-charged
I've had great luck with the m&w stuff. They seem to be a bit noisy though when using a Honda ecu especially. Works great if u mount the box far away from the ecu though. Always try to route the harness far away from everything too
thanks, i'll keep that in mind about the harness............. man, so many people off point for a simple question, even Tony........drag section starting to sound like the Type-R section........... mods lock this shyt
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Old Apr 2, 2011 | 12:58 PM
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Default Re: EMS/ignition placement affecting function?

My MSD is about that far away from the ECU but I have a noise filter just incase. The MSD stuff seems to have less effect them M&W from what I've seen.
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Old Apr 2, 2011 | 08:38 PM
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Default Re: EMS/ignition placement affecting function?

Originally Posted by 2k.civic.si
your an idiot....all a faraday cage is conducting metal surrounding the electronics. these are clearly in a faraday cage by anyone with half a brain....these companies do this for 2 reason 1 to block emi from effecting their electronics and 2 to keep their electronics from effecting electronics around them.

"It's just in a ****ing metal enclosure" thats exactly what a faraday cage is LOL

lets look at the definition of a faraday cage for uneducated
- A Faraday cage is a metallic enclosure that prevents the entry or escape of an electromagnetic field (EM field).

your cell phone has a very small faraday cage in it covering the output transistor and another one over the reciever to keep them from interferring with each other.....your microwave is in a giant metal box aka faraday cage which keep you from getting cooked staring at your tv dinner....nearly any or all electronics are either in a metal enclosure of some type or if you take them apart you will find a small metal boxed soldered to the pcb over the sensitive electronics. these are all examples of a faraday cage.

can you spot the faraday cage in this picture?

A real faraday cage consists of different components and it can be tuned to block certain frequencies. Tuning of the cage is done a couple different ways, mostly commonly done by changing the size of the screen holes. It involves electrically charging exterior fields to cancel interior fields. That's not something MSD or AEM does.

A microwave is actually a faraday cage. You got that right at least....
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Old Apr 2, 2011 | 09:08 PM
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Originally Posted by tepid1
A real faraday cage consists of different components and it can be tuned to block certain frequencies. Tuning of the cage is done a couple different ways, mostly commonly done by changing the size of the screen holes. It involves electrically charging exterior fields to cancel interior fields. That's not something MSD or AEM does.

A microwave is actually a faraday cage. You got that right at least....
incase you still cant understand i will post it again

A Faraday cage is a metallic enclosure that prevents the entry or escape of an electromagnetic field (EM field).

simple as that....anything above or beyond is meant for testing purposes in a lab and not for real world use.
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