I get my vp import out of the barrel with a pump.... so therefore i run pump gass

 

According to sanman you couldnt be more correct.

 

Agree

 

they sale kerosene here in texas at some pumps lol iv known of some cummins and powerstrokes that run it as there"race gas"

 

Might as well be race gas honestly .. . I've tuned a handful of supras making 800+ on the stuff without issues. Almost as good as Q16 in most ways, and even better in some ways. You really can't compare is to everyday pump gas..

 

It's 3 am, and I'm bored, so here it goes... lol

In my opinion e85 is a pump fuel.

I drive my car to the gas station, and pump e85 right into my car, and then drive off. 100% legal

Cars are clearly also sold now off the showroom floor that allow you to run e85. I don't know any production car that's sold with the intent of running 112, c16, q16, etc..

Some of you saying oh well I know 1 place that has 112 at a pump blah blah blah wow 1 place. Can you pump it right into your car..? If so that is illegal. You are supposed to put it in a gas can, and then in your car. It's technically not road legal either.

And, also to say it's not at every gas station is stupid. Some places don't have 93, Sheetz everywhere only carries 92, while others dont have 92 so I guess 92 and 93 aren't pump gas either to the people that want to talk about that logic.

I understand where some of you saying its not pump gas is coming from, but to say it's race gas is kinda stupid since none of the tracks around me sell e85.

 

I would have to say I consider e85 "pump gas" because quite a few gas stations in my area sell it at the pump. Ran alot of c16 last year on the street and all it did was eat up my plugs. So all e85 is to me is just
"safe pump gas"

If someone asked what fuel i'm running, I wouldn't say "pump gas" I would say e85.

 

if c16 or any gas for that matter is eating up plugs id find a new tuner

 

I can buy Cam 2 and a few other race fuels from a local gas stations pump, does that make it a pump gas too?

 

e85 is not a leaded fuel= correct

e85 is a leagal fuel sold at the pump for the streets= correct

e85 makes alot of people mad because there local gas stations dont want to carry it= correct

e85 is better than the leaded fuels because of the decreased knock and its cooling properties=correct

e85 is an alternative fuel thats light years beyond the leaded crap= correct.

people have been trying to ebunk the consistancy, and the safeness of e85 since they started seeing others getting it done with it since it came out= correct.

not a pump gas, but better= correct.

e85=$3.19 a gallon
93= $3.75 a gallon

race fuel
Race Gas Type: Price: 103 (per gallon) $9.50: 113 (55 gal drum) $565.50: C23 (per ... C14+ (5 gallon) $59.50: C14+ (55 gallon) $694.50: C16 (5 gallon) $59.50

im going to stick with e85 no matter what we classify it as because to be it makes the power is better for the enviroment and well aves me a **** ton of money

 

You cant compare E85 $ per gallon to gas $ per gallon as a 1:1 ratio, the fuel volume usage is not the same for the same amount of work done.

 

actually you cant compare it because it is made in the us, and not imported causing all the gas price increase is what you mean to say.

kinda funny isnt it something we make here in the us is quite a bit cheaper than what we mainly use on a day to day basis thats imported

 

and to be honest the results in pwoer favor e85 over 91 or 93 at a cheaper price

 

Like i said in the other argument,

Any time you go around saying you are on pump gas. Everyone besides an idiot would assume you mean 91 or 93 octane depending on whats available where you are. In AZ we only have 91 which is what i run my car on every day of the week on my normal everyday boost level.

Now, like others have said. We have a Loves gas station in town that sells both 100 octane unleaded and 110 octane leaded fuels. Labeled as race fuel. They come out of a pump. Does that make that fuel pump gas. No, and like i said if i made 650whp on 110 octane racefuel from that pump, I would be considered to have run race gas. Especially when i had to pay $45 bucks extra at the dyno for running it. No way in hell would anyone consider that pump gas. No how now way. That and its 7.00/ gal for it.

Same goes with E85. There isnt E85 within 250 miles of where i live and even in Phoenix a major city there are only a couple stations that sell it and i think im safe to guess that probably less than 5% of gas stations around the US have and sell E85. Again not available everywhere like regular, plus and premium unleaded gasoline.

Next point. Not every car can run on E85 without having a special tune to do it. Unlike race fuel/gasoline, you can get away with running that in anything you want and not really affect it at all. Dont try to do the same on E85 without having a proper tune for it or KABOOM!!! Plus i believe the octane rating on e85 is what 108 or something along those lines. Again a race type fuel octane rating as well. Of course with a proper tune you can make way more power on E85 than your pump gas Gasoline. Just like you can race fuel.

Case closed. There is way more points against calling e85 a normal pump gas than there is for it.

 

Its not cheaper, If I buy $20 dollars of E85 my car will not go the same distance or make the same amount of passes as $20 of 91 octane. E85 $/mile is horrible compare to gas. I ran both in race car, in the end it costs the almost same as low end Cam2 race fuel. Yes its cheaper per gallon, but not really that much cheaper per pass.

 

a loves station is kool one thats really kool

is 100 octane legal to be ran on the street will you be ticketed by a cop if so then nope not pump if its legal and you get it from a pump then yes

bottom line is you dont wanna admit e85 is pump from a pump paid for in a store to be dispensed from the pump and legal to be ran on the road and is totally safe to be ran by cars that are mass produced for it lol.

built cars need to be tuned for it

produced cars from the factory dont

case back open boiiii

 

no you wont get the mpg out of e85 that you will 91, but then agaon when you lose a engine from det on 91 is it really cheaper than running it safer on e85????

 

If the MPG isn't the same then you cant compare cost per gallon and say E85 is cheaper. I ran it, I was burning threw it fast so 3 dollar a gallon really was 6 gallon.

 

its cheaper per gallon no matter how you view it man lol

now you might not get the mpg from it like you will 91, but iple math is simple math lol

 

if your driving it dailey then i agree e85 isnt the way to go at all, but im not a fan of driving these asmome mechines on the road anyways nor will my career sustain by racing everything on the road and constantly paying ticket/court appearances/jail time from it

 

sanman not trying to down you or E85 but you just don't get that you can't compare E85to regular 90-93 octane rated Gasoline fuels as that is what this whole arguement is about. people claim that they go fast and make big power on E85 because it's pump fuel but you're really comparing apples to oranges here.

 

I DD on E85 (its everywhere in MN) I'm saving a little bit each fill up:

I fill up when I get to about 175 miles on my trip meter
on 93 oct: 175 miles=7gallons of fuel to fill up=25miles per gallon.
on E85: 175 miles=8.5 gallons to fill up=20.5 miles per gallon.
93=3.89/gal 7x3.89= 27.23 to fill up my tank.
E85=3.15/gal 8.5x3.15=26.77 to fill up.

46 cents in savings each time, that adds up.
+I'm getting all the benefits of E85(higher oct, burns cleaner, cleaning/cooling effect in the engine, etc)

It really depends where you live. Around here I consider it "pump gas"

 

yes they sale it at pump and its legal in all 50stated

http://www.vpracingfuels.com/page535437.html

but you drive a race car thats rides above the ground on a trailer so why does that even matter.

and as far as factory car being tuned yes they are tuned from the factory if not they would not run it dosnt take a genius to figure that out, and as i have already mentioned to your non listening *** they have an Ethanol content meter to switch maps in the factory ecu

if you loose a engine from det on 91 you need to find a better tuned 91,92,93,98,100oct is way more consistent than e85 incase you dont know its UP TO 85% but it can be as low as76%
buy youself a tester and see how consistent your made in the usa **** gas is http://www.summitracing.com/parts/QFT-36-E85

basically all im getting from this thread is that you a cheap or a broke *** possibly both
that wont pay for race gas, and wont pay for a good tune to keep real gas from detonation so have fun when you cheap gas washes threw you rings, contaminates you oil and takes out a rod bearing
then you can go buy yourself a DSM and go be cheap and love e85 with the rest of them!

 

Nah case closed.

Another major point is that a properly tuned car on pump gas being 91 or 93 can make 450-500whp very easily without issues. Mine did 461 on pump gas and i ran that every day of the week even during 120 deg summer days I would beat the crap out of my car doing pulls 1st through 4th gear. Not a sign of detonation. Plus I got 39mpg highway on 91 octane, averaging 32+ mpg with mixed driving and that was including punching it every single day bounching the rev limiter.

In our fwd cars you dont need any more than 450-500whp on the streets anyways. So really i do not care about this whole pump gas and E85 is cheaper argument. Because the only time i would need any race gas is if I went to the track or wanted to have some fun with some people on the weekend. Other than that my daily boost level and power was more than enough to destroy anything on the street in my area.

So yeah, ill take my 39mpg highway 32 mixed thank you very much.

So what if you can make 650+whp on e85...On the streets it really doesnt matter. I can bet you my 500whp would take your 650whp on the streets any day. While you spin through every gear at least ill have traction in 5th. hahaha.

The track is really all that matters and to spend a little extra on race fuel to run the higher boost and keep detonation away is well worth it. Not like I have to run my car on it every day.

 

I save $2.00 over 93 everytime I fill up on e85, and I make more power everywhere. Sounds like a win win situation to me. Hell my coupe hasn't saw 93 since it was tuned on e85 about 9 months ago.

BTW this is/was /thread, or case closed.