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Old Mar 9, 2009 | 04:55 PM
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Im going to call dss tomm but wanted to make a post to see if anyone else has experienced my problem. I have installed and pressed many hubs and bearings in my day, and the problem im having is ill press the hub and bearing into the spendal and install it back on my car and everything is tight and fine, but once I put her on the ground and roll her around a little it pops out and is loose! I have done this probably 3 times, its like the hub is to long or something. Its starting to be a pain in the ***!! Is there something special I need to do to the 5.9's?

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Old Mar 9, 2009 | 05:04 PM
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what is popping out? i am confused
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Old Mar 9, 2009 | 05:07 PM
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The hub and bearing assembly is loose I might say.
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Old Mar 9, 2009 | 05:10 PM
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is the axle in the hub?
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Old Mar 9, 2009 | 05:15 PM
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is the axle in the hub?
yes it is
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Old Mar 9, 2009 | 05:19 PM
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the hub cannot be flush with the bearing when it is pressed all the way in. it shoulde be just a little shorter.
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Old Mar 9, 2009 | 05:23 PM
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Whats nut torqued to?Any pics of hub installed in knuckle?
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Old Mar 9, 2009 | 05:24 PM
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the hub cannot be flush with the bearing when it is pressed all the way in. it shoulde be just a little shorter.
The hub and bearing are not flush, I would of caught that a long time ago. Its like everything is normal, it just will not stay tight! Has anyone ever had any problems with parts from dss, cause we have not, but we are human i guess.
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Old Mar 9, 2009 | 06:03 PM
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Take pics, check the outer joint of the axle and see if u can see where the hub is hitting it. IF u have older/new axle/hub it will do something like this. and even with the axle nut tight, it wont pull the bearing tight, due to axle not going all the way into hub.
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Old Mar 9, 2009 | 06:06 PM
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my 5.9s went to gether fine. yeah man we needs pics.
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Old Mar 9, 2009 | 06:30 PM
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Take pics, check the outer joint of the axle and see if u can see where the hub is hitting it. IF u have older/new axle/hub it will do something like this. and even with the axle nut tight, it wont pull the bearing tight, due to axle not going all the way into hub.
I put grease on the back of the hub and installed back onto the alxe and it did make contack with the flat spot on the axle, that was with out the axle nut that time and with it pressed back together, from what your saying kinda sounds like my problem, but what do you mean older/new axe/hub? Im kinda confused lol, the hubs are dss 6 months old along with the alxes, the hubs came the the axles from dss.
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Old Mar 9, 2009 | 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by boostedcivicsir
my 5.9s went to gether fine. yeah man we needs pics.
I will try my best tomm, going to call dss tomm as well, need to get this problem fixed asap! Want to get my car at the track by 4/3 for some testing, and still have some wiring to do
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Old Mar 9, 2009 | 06:36 PM
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I put grease on the back of the hub and installed back onto the alxe and it did make contack with the flat spot on the axle, that was with out the axle nut that time and with it pressed back together, from what your saying kinda sounds like my problem, but what do you mean older/new axe/hub? Im kinda confused lol, the hubs are dss 6 months old along with the alxes, the hubs came the the axles from dss.
the older hubs are spined deeper than the new ones. and the new axle isnt splined as long on the axle. So if hub/axle are mis matched. the spline will bottom out even though its not all the way in the hub. Pull the axle out. if youve tried tighting it like you said you have, you should see a ring all the way around on the axle, where its hitting the non splined part on the hub.
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Old Mar 9, 2009 | 06:41 PM
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the older hubs are spined deeper than the new ones. and the new axle isnt splined as long on the axle. So if hub/axle are mis matched. the spline will bottom out even though its not all the way in the hub. Pull the axle out. if youve tried tighting it like you said you have, you should see a ring all the way around on the axle, where its hitting the non splined part on the hub.
exactly! the marks are on the taper part though, were the back flat part and the splines are about to start, if that makes any sence. So what do I do If the hubs do not match the axles? Do you think dss would fix this for me? I mean the better for how much they cost right? lol
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Old Mar 9, 2009 | 06:45 PM
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exactly! the marks are on the taper part though, were the back flat part and the splines are about to start, if that makes any sence. So what do I do If the hubs do not match the axles? Do you think dss would fix this for me? I mean the better for how much they cost right? lol
lol call them up, dss is great to work with. They will take care of you
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Old Mar 9, 2009 | 06:49 PM
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that sucks to hear hope u get it figured out..... let us know what the problem was.
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Old Mar 9, 2009 | 06:49 PM
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lol call them up, dss is great to work with. They will take care of you
thanks alot man, you have been great help!
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Old Mar 10, 2009 | 09:13 AM
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I have the same problem, It's a design flaw. It only happens when the axle is out. You try and push the car without the axle in and it feels like some one is holding the brakes.
To fix the problem, I just got a big nut, bolt and washer and tightened them together to keep the hub and bearing together when the axle was pulled out.

I talked to Frank @ DSS a few years ago but he didnt have a fix for it then. They might have a fix now.

Other than that, those axles are BAD ***!!!
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Old Mar 10, 2009 | 01:02 PM
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I have the same problem, It's a design flaw. It only happens when the axle is out. You try and push the car without the axle in and it feels like some one is holding the brakes.
To fix the problem, I just got a big nut, bolt and washer and tightened them together to keep the hub and bearing together when the axle was pulled out.

I talked to Frank @ DSS a few years ago but he didnt have a fix for it then. They might have a fix now.

Other than that, those axles are BAD ***!!!
It did it with out the axle in at first, then i got my motor in the car and it still does it even with the axles in, just not as bad, im going to give them a call, need this takin care of.
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Old Mar 10, 2009 | 05:06 PM
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what i thought that was normal. my car does the same u take the axel out & the bearing is loose making it hard to roll . as soon as u put it back in & tighten it up it rolls jsut fine.

seems to me the axel is used to make the bearing straighten out & alighn things up.

doesnt bother me at all u cant drive without the axels anyways . i can even see the tire doesnt sit straight without the axel in & with the nut "tightened". wobbildy wobble, lol

its racing , they never run right with missing parts
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what i thought that was normal. my car does the same u take the axel out & the bearing is loose making it hard to roll . as soon as u put it back in & tighten it up it rolls jsut fine.

seems to me the axel is used to make the bearing straighten out & alighn things up.

doesnt bother me at all u cant drive without the axels anyways . i can even see the tire doesnt sit straight without the axel in & with the nut "tightened". wobbildy wobble, lol

its racing , they never run right with missing parts

hes not talking about that, what you are saying is normal happens to every car ive pushed with the axles out, but once u tighten the axle nut the bearing tightens up and play goes away.
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Old Mar 11, 2009 | 10:29 AM
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hes not talking about that, what you are saying is normal happens to every car ive pushed with the axles out, but once u tighten the axle nut the bearing tightens up and play goes away.
I sent lee some pics this morning and going to call him back after lunch, hope they take care of me, ill let everyone know what the outcome is.
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Old Mar 11, 2009 | 10:41 AM
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Frank and DSS are good people, im sure they will take care of you.
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Originally Posted by 85mmek9
I put grease on the back of the hub and installed back onto the alxe and it did make contack with the flat spot on the axle, that was with out the axle nut that time and with it pressed back together, from what your saying kinda sounds like my problem, but what do you mean older/new axe/hub? Im kinda confused lol, the hubs are dss 6 months old along with the alxes, the hubs came the the axles from dss.
i am having this exact same problem but mine lasted till the 1000ft. mark then i almost nailed the wall. im selling my 5.9s they almost killed me lol. i have tryed the same **** the hub is too long i have a friend that has a hook on a mark williams setup so im going with that.
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Old Mar 12, 2009 | 05:06 PM
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i am having this exact same problem but mine lasted till the 1000ft. mark then i almost nailed the wall. im selling my 5.9s they almost killed me lol. i have tryed the same **** the hub is too long i have a friend that has a hook on a mark williams setup so im going with that.
I called dss, and they could not really help me, I took some pics and emailed them to lee up there, he said he could not see anything. He said i could send them back to him and they will look at them, but that will probably take months and I do not have months, si I did a little fab work my self and we will see what happens, but not sure I want to even try them if I have problems at the 1000' mark! Im running a spool also! They said they have not heard of anyone having this problem before.
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