Since all the discussions were sparked in my back pressure thread,

https://honda-tech.com/forums/showth...t=backpressure

I wanted to ask what you guys are doing for logging extra inputs? I know the option is out there for MoTeC and the ability to log everything including your blood pressure during runs. But I wanted to see what other options are out there. I am currently running Hondata S300 and the 2 analog inputs aren't cutting it. Plan is to run FP, OP, trans temp, exhaust back pressure, compressor pressure, etc.

Are you guys using logging dash setups like Racepak or AIM, or an external controller like AEM or Innovate?

Thanks!

 

pcs dash logger is pretty affordable, the racepak sportsman kit is common too. if i remember correctly the racepak dash was not very drag race friendly and most were going with the sportsman logger instead of the dash. we all love the simplicity of a s300, but sometimes you get to a point where something with some flexibility can be helpful. its a pain trying to pull logs from 30 different devices in the car. a lot of times by the time you buy a s300, p28, a logger, etc etc.....you have spent the same amount of $ as if you just bought a nice ecu that could do it all in one package.

 

good thread, subscribed!
does anybody have any info or experience with innovate DL-32 Datalogger and Sensor Controller? xenocron has them on sale and was just wandering about them.

 

Aem Gen 2 with their IQ logger works well on my all motor car and our sfwd integra.

The ability to overlay the two is a big help as well IMO.

 

how much stuff can you log with this setup?

 

On Jakes Car, we have 29 channels being recorded to the AQ1 I believe we can do more utilizing the AEM NET bus. One thing I like about the logger is I can log the whole time the car is running not just the runs themselves. Many times problems arise not during the run but in staging lanes or return road and there is plenty of room to log the whole day. I have markers break up the logs to show the runs individually as well as alarms for problem areas. The new AEM Data software helps allot also.

However, the AQ1 alone will log 4 analog inputs + 4 more analog/frequency inputs + 3 digital inputs + Battery voltage + GPS + internal accelerometer

I use the analog inputs as well as the data I have fed into the AEM Gen 2 as well.

I am pretty sure the OBD2 version of the AQ1 will log data from the OBD2 stream as well as the direct analog inputs this should work well on Hondata units.

The Cost is relatively low

 

sweet, i have 2 v1 aems and im thinking of selling them both and buying a v2 with the AQ1. will it do egt's or will i have to get the 4 channel egt box to read all 4 cly? and does the v2 or the AQ1 have like preset values for diffrent pressure sensors like if i buy all aem sensors for emap,map,oil,fuel? i know they just read in volts and wandered how u set them up to read the actual pressure

 

The AQ1 does have presets for all the AEM sensors as well as many other OEM and aftermarket sensors. So no need to do the voltage to value in your head. It will display the units properly. as for the EGT's i think you will still need the preamp for the egts then feed them into the logger. I have not personally used EGTs with the AQ1.

 

Thought I would chime in on this. What you can do is run the Series 2 EMS and run additional sensors to the Series 2. Than have the EMS output the data through the CAN bus to the AQ-1 logger. You can run calibrations for the sensors or a math channel to determine what the logger is seeing from the CAN-Bus. The way the Series 2 works currently though there are specific channels that are output to the CAN bus so you would just have to figure out which ones and address it accordingly. Now with the AQ-1 you can input 4 EGT sensors directly to the AQ-1 so no need for the AMP. So you would use the 4 0-5V analog inputs with optional pullup resistor for that and still have 4 more analog inputs for 0-5V or 0-16V sensors and frequency.

 

Blown - It all depends on how much you want to log and how much $ you want to spend to step into the game. We have personally used Race Pak dashes and AIM dashes on vehicles we have here at the shop and they work great. Although you know you stepping into a dash is a lot more money than some people want to spend. Currently with the AQ-1 there are 8 inputs and 3 digital switch inputs. However I do know in the future we plan on making CAN-bus jumper boxes to expand on the sensor inputs more. But that is in the future.

Also one more thing I believe, but not sure is doesn't Hondata have a communication to already talk to a AIM/Racepak dash? Not sure, but I thought I read somewhere that it did. Than you have the additional inputs from the dash as well.

 

good info, Steph!

 

Just like Jake said, being able to overlay data and easily analyze it is the key. I know it sucks, Jason.... just make the switch already. The M84 is calling for you. haha

 

I agree with this statement. I know your going to want to log all the info you can. Logging is like a drug. Once you realize your flexibility you want to log everything you can think of. Im not saying go buy motec just saying its way easier and worth the money, IMO

Here is the compressor speed sensor that T1/Forced Performance did for me. I've used all the inputs on my m84 so now im logging from the Motec ADL dash and have probably 29 more inputs ill use some way somewhere in due time

 

I'm with Joe on this one, I myself run Hondata Kpro with a PCS Dash Logger. It's a great logger but it does kind of suck to pull different sources for logs. The only thing I see working for the Hondata guys or anyone running a stock style ECU is the Motec Club dash, but you need to out weigh the cost of that. I priced a Club Dash and it came out to like 2800 for it for everything I was looking for. I can't justify doing that, I'd rather keep my current set up because it works. Now if I had to do it all over again, I think I would go with the Motec Club Dash.

 

Kpro can talk to those dashes, but for some reason s300 wont do it...as it sits. Also....Kpro now has 8 additional analog inputs in a new version. Reckon they can do that with s300 soon?

 

the reason is Kpro has a serial port, s300 doesn't. As long as s300 is setup the way it is It will never be able to send data to a dash. unless on the actual s300 board there can be provisions for a serial port. Only area in the ecu that i know of is the 4 pin CN something. Its been a while. I know neptune uses it.

Now you can make it work, but you have to individually tap each wire into the harness. It wont be a plug n play setup

 

Then what the hell does tunerview use to read the data? Do they add that serial port to kpro when installing it?

 

Haha! I know. Thanks for all the feedback guys. Those of you that know me know that time is my enemy and really drives most of my decisions. I had rather not change the ecu just from the standpoint of finding the time to retune the car. I had a M400 on my last car and really liked the software and I am huge on being able to keep it all in one unit for logging and tuning. But I was hoping to get some more options with just an external logger and you guys are providing some good feedback. But I guess if all else fails, Tony is sitting back with my credit card on file just waiting for my call...lol

 

reads data not datalogs. it holds peak values

 

you know the answers to your questions

 

Right so a dash could be setup to read that data but also data log it along with its own channels

 

yes. If the dash has internal logging. Which usually runs close to 2k or over. After buying sensors and everything. Might as well buy an M84 by that time. Get a better ecu and it logs.

 

In for good info!

Aside for DL32 and AQ1 any other external logger options that dont break the bank?

Another thing, can I hook up an IQ3 or AIM non logging dash with the AQ1? Since I can see that it has can bus connection so that you still have a real time display of the values?

 

just tough to justify buying a dash/logger that is $2000 more than your ecu!!! also keep in mind a good logger is nice, but doesnt DO anything. get an ecu with good logging capabilities, and it can actually process the information and make on the fly changes for you. with a logger, you have to wait until the run is over to figure out what happened, to manually make adjustments for the next round. depending on what is happening, it could be too late.... a crap run that put you on the trailer, or a melted down motor. a good ecu has the ability to prevent those things from happening.

 

so true! if my ecu would have seen lean and added fuel i would have made more than 1 pass out of a brand new motor! i just paid for a motec in engine repairs.