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Old Nov 5, 2013 | 06:21 AM
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Give me a little time to come back on here once we have thoroughly thought out all the changes we are going to make to WCF next year. Rest assured we are going to fix them all!

Thank you to everyone that sees that MIR was not at fault for the cards we were dealt this past weekend. We did not oil the track down, we were the ones that had to clean it up. And the biggest deal is that it rained on Friday and Saturday.

To have a HUGE turnout like we did and rain on TWO days, and have a bunch of oil downs and for us to actually still complete TWO qualifiers and finish all of the Heads-Up elminations and get down to less than 8 cars in the index classes, I believe is pretty INCREDIBLE!!!

We are going to make changes, me and my staff cannout endure this again, and neither can our racers.

Just give us some time, we will make this right. We are going to have to make some tough decisions for what is best for the event overall.

Everyone that was their saw that me and my staff were killing our bodies to overcome the circumstances. Its just really difficult to see how some people on here cannot see that.

Let us carefully plan the changes, and announce them over the winter, and be as positive as we can.
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Old Nov 5, 2013 | 06:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Jason Miller
Give me a little time to come back on here once we have thoroughly thought out all the changes we are going to make to WCF next year. Rest assured we are going to fix them all!

Thank you to everyone that sees that MIR was not at fault for the cards we were dealt this past weekend. We did not oil the track down, we were the ones that had to clean it up. And the biggest deal is that it rained on Friday and Saturday.

To have a HUGE turnout like we did and rain on TWO days, and have a bunch of oil downs and for us to actually still complete TWO qualifiers and finish all of the Heads-Up elminations and get down to less than 8 cars in the index classes, I believe is pretty INCREDIBLE!!!

We are going to make changes, me and my staff cannout endure this again, and neither can our racers.

Just give us some time, we will make this right. We are going to have to make some tough decisions for what is best for the event overall.

Everyone that was their saw that me and my staff were killing our bodies to overcome the circumstances. Its just really difficult to see how some people on here cannot see that.

Let us carefully plan the changes, and announce them over the winter, and be as positive as we can.
Right on.
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Old Nov 5, 2013 | 07:44 AM
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Jason It was a great event you and your crew gave it your all to make it possible.

thank you
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Old Nov 5, 2013 | 07:49 AM
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I'd love to see either Radial vs Modified or Outlaw vs Extreme Disappear, They seemed to be the most problematic classes, That really put this event behind.

The index classes seemed to go fairly quickly without hiccups, Hopefully they stick around.

IMO
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Old Nov 5, 2013 | 09:13 AM
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I'd love to see either Radial vs Modified or Outlaw vs Extreme Disappear, They seemed to be the most problematic classes, That really put this event behind.

The index classes seemed to go fairly quickly without hiccups, Hopefully they stick around.

IMO
You get rid of those classes you loose alot of specators.
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Old Nov 5, 2013 | 09:22 AM
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Those are by FAR the best classes to watch Tom ha ha. The only thing that would have helped this weekend would be an indoor track
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Old Nov 5, 2013 | 09:28 AM
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you lose any of the heads up classes, you'll lose a LOT of spectators, unfortunately, the fans don't come to watch index racing, they come to watch the heads up guys, you can see it in the stands
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Old Nov 5, 2013 | 10:40 AM
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all in all the index racers got screwed 1 qualifying on fri and then waiting around all day sat just top be told that we weren't racing. I feel like the index qualifying and heads up qualifying should be on separate days just my 2c
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Old Nov 5, 2013 | 10:46 AM
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I flew up from Florida for the race and have to say MIR is the best run track I have ever been to by a LONG SHOT. We deal with rain here all the time, but you guys took it in stride and got as much done as possible.

I'm not so sure that eliminating index classes is a solution for the future, maybe more of a contingency on them not running if it rains. Also, all those year end bracket race finals took a lot of time out of the event.

Myself and everyone that came with me had a great time and will definitely be back next year.
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Old Nov 5, 2013 | 10:53 AM
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13 YEARS is how long I have been racing and spectating at this event...

yes the fans in the stands definitely want to see all the heads up classes, that's why they show up more and more each year. this event is all about records being broken in the November air and fast imports side by side with fast domestics!!

-index classes need to go and btw I along with a friend were racing index this weekend so this is not a biased opinion whatsoever. the event has simply become too large for all these classes. I like index, just not at this particular event.

-car show can also go if you want to cut down on a lot of congestion going into and out of the track on sunday along with congestion in the pits. OR at the very least move the carshow to Saturday only.

-another option is to put a cap on some classes, especially if you want to keep index. limit the amount of tech cards sold for some classes.

-PROPER CATCH PANS on ANY vehicle racing. and make sure it is enforced at tech! this includes ALL vehicles who plan to go down the track even if its a completely stock brand new corvette straight off the showroom floor. if they don't want to add a pan then oh well good riddens it will help cut down on congestion in the pits at the least and the fans are there to see race cars anyway.

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Old Nov 5, 2013 | 11:05 AM
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I agree I would hate to see any heads up classes go. Honestly when an index class comes up that's when I go grab food or use the bathroom. I understand the point of those classes but if a class was to go I would vote those out.
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Old Nov 5, 2013 | 11:30 AM
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I'v been attending this event since 2002 and it's clear how huge it has become due to the hard work of the MIR staff. It has been unreal! This year was nuts, too much going on.

I have to agree that seeing the Index classes go or at least trim them down would be a good start. The car show also holds little value IMO and could be done away with.

The worst issue, way out of MIR's hands IMO are the attendees. We had several interactions with people who just have no class or respect for traffic and cars trying to make it to the lanes.
As we sat waiting to get in Sunday we saw roughly 30 near accidents from morons driving up the wrong side of 234 at a high rate of speed, driving on shoulder, cutting ppl off, etc.
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Old Nov 5, 2013 | 11:46 AM
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yup lots of people leave the stands when index and bracket midnight madness was running. as many heads up racers at this event I don't think any other type of classes are needed to fill time between rounds. especially with the oil downs which will never be completely preventable as its a part of racing.
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Old Nov 5, 2013 | 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Mattb16teg
I'v been attending this event since 2002 and it's clear how huge it has become due to the hard work of the MIR staff. It has been unreal! This year was nuts, too much going on.

I have to agree that seeing the Index classes go or at least trim them down would be a good start. The car show also holds little value IMO and could be done away with.

The worst issue, way out of MIR's hands IMO are the attendees. We had several interactions with people who just have no class or respect for traffic and cars trying to make it to the lanes.
As we sat waiting to get in Sunday we saw roughly 30 near accidents from morons driving up the wrong side of 234 at a high rate of speed, driving on shoulder, cutting ppl off, etc.
we were sitting in traffic on the main road sunday morning and a ford dually came flying up the shoulder and down into the grass/ditch passing everyone. several other vehicles did this as well. MORONS...

I also noticed cars flying past us as we were sitting in traffic along the entrance road as we were leaving sunday. they almost hit people who were walking.

a lot of these people who show up to these events are simple minded morons who should have their *** kicked for stupid **** like that.

also I had my family/kids there on Saturday, I did not appreciate people in the stands smoking weed. if your gonna do that **** then do it somewhere else away from any children please.

people need to be much more respectful of those around them
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Old Nov 5, 2013 | 01:36 PM
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Remove index classes and add a real street turbo and all motor heads up classes. It would cut 2 classes out but still keep a good many off the index cars and would cut down on congestion in the lanes.
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Old Nov 5, 2013 | 01:40 PM
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I wasn't there, but I did follow all weekend of this site.

I also agree the index classes should be limited, at least, if not dropped. Most people in the stands are there to see the fast cars run.

I used to enjoy the Shakedown at Etown, fast cars.

This is another good idea, "
-PROPER CATCH PANS on ANY vehicle racing. and make sure it is enforced at tech!"

I also agree, this event is big enough, it doesn't need a car show and may be dare I say, a bikini contest.
I don't see them at the NHRA events I attend.
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Old Nov 5, 2013 | 01:51 PM
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I would hate to see some of the index classes go, just because I really like seeing some of those cars you see on YouTube "under the bridge" in person and racing at the track.

There was a car show? Yeah, that can go IMO.

This was my first WCF and all I can say is I can't wait for next year! You guys put on a great event and I liked seeing that safety was your crews #1 priority. Thanks for putting on a great event and I'll be back next year.
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Old Nov 5, 2013 | 01:53 PM
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yeah Jessica barton is getting to old to be walking around in high heels and tight outfit all day anyway haha

sadly a lot of the spectators probably come to see the bikini contest though.

at least racing can still take place while the girls are on stage showing off their frozen nips
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Old Nov 5, 2013 | 02:39 PM
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I should say that at the Bracket Nationals in Bakersfield CA back in 1978 they had a flat bed trailer for the girls from Vegas to dance on...Saturday night.
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Old Nov 5, 2013 | 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by 01DC4
I'd love to see either Radial vs Modified or Outlaw vs Extreme Disappear, They seemed to be the most problematic classes, That really put this event behind.

The index classes seemed to go fairly quickly without hiccups, Hopefully they stick around.

IMO
I think a big problem is when hondas share drip pans to get through the tech line then only one car runs them for the race. A quick fix would be to demonstrate to a MIR official that you have your drip pan/diaper on the car before the burnout.
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Old Nov 5, 2013 | 02:46 PM
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I think a big problem is when hondas share drip pans to get through the tech line then only one car runs them for the race. A quick fix would be to demonstrate to a MIR official that you have your drip pan/diaper on the car before the burnout.
Wasn't the Hondas that was doing this trick.....

Get your rumors straight son!
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Old Nov 5, 2013 | 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Natural Aspirations
Wasn't the Hondas that was doing this trick.....

Get your rumors straight son!
Sorry, I made an assumption. When I shoed up sat AM I saw 3 pairs of hondas run. First pair one broke, oiled down track. Second pair another one broke. Third pair, both broke. Was unsure how much oil could come out of a car with a proper drip pan on it.
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Old Nov 5, 2013 | 03:08 PM
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Index classes needs to go way or limit the amount of cars. Spectators don't to come see index class racing. Also I don't understand why they were running that midnight madness bracket if the event was behind schedule. For me that was a big mistake. They could have finish it any other day during test n tune.
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Old Nov 5, 2013 | 03:11 PM
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To me the real issue this year from what I read all weekend seemed to be weather and oil downs. You can't control weather, but you can control oil downs by enforcing belly pans on every car.

You could get rid of the index classes and still have terrible weather and tons of oil downs, thus causing the same delays. Another issue as someone eluded to is the amount of racers. You promote it as the biggest event in the country and it's going to keep getting bigger and bigger. At what point do you have too many racers?
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Old Nov 5, 2013 | 03:47 PM
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I agree about index classes being dropped. I'm really a no name guy and race index when I can, but I wouldn't bring my car to this event. No one want to see a 12 sec car IMO.
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