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Old Nov 5, 2013 | 04:17 PM
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I didn't make it down this year but every other time you guys at MIR do a standup job. Lots of things out of your hands like the weather and oil downs. People need to appreciate having the best race anywhere available to them. I for one am pissed I couldn't get down there. A lot of ideas seem good
- Get rid of the car show
- Limit tech cards in certain classes.
- Maybe not kill off all index classes but condense.

I am sure you guys will work out a great solution
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Old Nov 5, 2013 | 05:24 PM
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to me it is just one of the most well organize event, congrats Jason for that you guys just did what i would say the best .

The only thing i didn't like was the weight for awd v6 tt been 3800 pounds on the street fighter that just make no sense at all (stupid if you ask me). I'm not going H/R anymore, if i can not fit on the S/F or a class to my level I'm not coming next year sorry.

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Old Nov 5, 2013 | 05:45 PM
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keep the 10.0 and the 10.5.....the rest needs to go....
pan and diaper for EVERY car running....

no mid night madness finals IMO (understand it was all locals finals but still)
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Old Nov 5, 2013 | 07:35 PM
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I agree with alot of people on the form, there is no need for a car show what so ever so that would cut down on alot of the traffic and would allow more room for parking, also i think Jason should limit the index classes to a number that you have to pre register. I also believe that all cars should have an engine diaper or a catch pan, it doesnt always catch it all but would really help on clean up.
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Old Nov 6, 2013 | 03:47 AM
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Outstanding job to Jason and his crew for getting the event done! I have to agree in a sense that the Index cars seem to slow down the event but for some underdogs, that's the only way they can compete. Anything below 11.49 should have a catch pan just as you should a cage. As far as the ET bracket or whatever that 18 second Corolla was, that could stand to go. Make it a rule that if you oil down the track and continue the race, then you are dq'd. Accidents are one thing but if you are running antifreeze and/or know something is wrong like the sliding GTI, then that is not forgiven.
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Old Nov 6, 2013 | 11:17 AM
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Was my first year over at WCF and I must say Jason and his crew did an excellent job with the track, prep, speedy recovery of cars

It's run totally different to our local strip
More track prep, more staff, better instructions over the tannoy to the racers ect

Maybe just limit the size of the groups

I enjoyed seeing just how many Puerto Rico's made the journey upto Maryland

Jason you do an excellent job with the track
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Old Nov 6, 2013 | 11:43 AM
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index qualifying on thrusday night and Friday am. then start the heads up and start the index elimination on Friday afternoon or do away with index all together but to do away with your two biggest classes is foolish
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Old Nov 6, 2013 | 01:06 PM
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Those guys on yellowbullet being a bunch of cry babies
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Old Nov 6, 2013 | 02:14 PM
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The event was great. Even with all the rain and oil downs the track staff and jason never quit and kept it going strong.

My recommendations are to have a 10.5 and 11.5. Limit to a 32 car field for each class Max. Also dont allow multple people in both classes. if you want to race in them Pre-register with payment.

Mandatory catch pans or diapers period for all racers PERIOD!!!!!!!.

Dont run other events while this is going on. Due to the size of this event and sometimes time is very critical like it was this time.

Car show really isnt needed in this event. Some of the cars racing could beat most of those "Show cars".

I would try to work with the local police so they can manage the main road outside for safety.

Also the bathrooms are awesome.

If your could also extend the concrete out further in the pits so people dont have to park in the dirt or grass especially if it rains. That stuff can end up on the bottom of a car and they would never know until down the track and now this might become a hazard.

Also it was complete BS that someone actually stole someone's Hanns device. How the f--- do you live with yourself.

Last and night least, It freaking drove me up the wall having to tell people excuse me when we are trying to get into the water box. If your not with a race car there are stands the length of the track where they can stand. They should all be stopped where you guys have the chains setup in the staging lanes. after that you need to be with a car or at least have the wrist band checks. there were people just standing there. then on top of that people standing on the sides of the walls for a while that was doing completely nothing but just spectating. How the hell do you even get there and no one tells you leave after 5 races have gone down the track already. Lets be serious.

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Old Nov 6, 2013 | 02:27 PM
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Index is fine but I think 11.50 should be the cut off I know I saw a camery run a 18 something that just stupid. Get rid of bracket racing all togtheir should just be all heads up
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Old Nov 6, 2013 | 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by crazes
The event was great. Even with all the rain and oil downs the track staff and jason never quit and kept it going strong.


Last and night least, It freaking drove me up the wall having to tell people excuse me when we are trying to get into the water box. If your not with a race car there are stands the length of the track where they can stand. They should all be stopped where you guys have the chains setup in the staging lanes. after that you need to be with a car or at least have the wrist band checks. there were people just standing there. then on top of that people standing on the sides of the walls for a while that was doing completely nothing but just spectating. How the hell do you even get there and no one tells you leave after 5 races have gone down the track already. Lets be serious.
Exactly what I was thinking. I was there as media with a media shirt and arm band and it was a total pain to have to work around these people standing there. Once you got the shots of the car they would step right in front of your shot making a couple of hours of my footage useless. What was even more annoying was when the people were being kicked out, I was also kicked out with them when my shirt clearly said WCF Press.

I swear I saw 4 to 5 people with press shirts that didn't even have a camera. They should screen who is around the starting line better and allow the people who are really there to do professional work and not take pictures for personal storage.

Especially the guy with the tri pod and camera slider(which he never used and didn't have press pass) who almost got ran over 4 times for standing in-front of cars during burn out. Unbelievable!

I've been attending this event for 7 years and doing film work for 3 of those 7 years. I won't be doing anymore of that.
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Old Nov 7, 2013 | 06:29 AM
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I helped two friends in staging. One in heads up and one in index. It's hard to point a finger at one class for oil downs because we waited with both cars. I saw 10.0/10.50 cars break, and I saw alot of heads up cars break. Once through qualifying everything went quickly. Pans/diapers would be a great requirement for all cars. You can't stop weather, but you guys did a great job adjusting for it.

It's a great event, and we will be there no matter what. We knew we'd get home late, and stayed until the very end. I would love to see a crew or media badge to get to the line/staging. Everyone standing there was annoying when trying to get a car through.
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Old Nov 7, 2013 | 06:41 AM
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I also thought stopping racing for a solid 30-45 minutes while a bikini contest was going on was completely ridiculous.
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Old Nov 7, 2013 | 09:34 AM
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Jason, This was my first WCF event. I must say you and your crew could not have done a better job !! Sometimes S**T just happens. But i have never seen such attention to detail and organization of clean ups. I have been to hundreds of races at some of the "best" tracks in the US and multiple NHRA events and have never seen such dedication! Simply incredible. We are bringing our car next year and I don't ever want to miss this event again !!

My .02

Sell crew bands with the tech cards with max of 5 per racer. Make them show before going up to the starting . Security is a Must on the starting line !! Way to many people just sitting around enjoying the show from the starting line.

Bathrooms were awesome !!

Need more security in the stands, Multiple people smoking weed next to younger kids. I dont care, but I did see many people move because of it. There was also a guy walking in front of the stands with a cooler bootlegging liquor openly to anyone !! He had hundreds of home made Cool AID style containers, and he sold out and would show up two hours later with more.

Car show needs to go

Index classes need to be trimmed down.

Mandatory catch pans !! checked at the scale after a run ! No pan dq'ed

Depending on how strict your curfew is you might want to reserve Monday as a last chance to complete the race. Most guys are there for Monday anyways . And we could have seen rain on Sunday also.

Amazing track, amazing track staff, and incredible event even with the weather and hysteria. Thank You !!
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Old Nov 7, 2013 | 09:49 AM
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Everyone has made some really good points. I have been just about every year since the first race and they get better every year! Thanks Jason and MIR staff. Hats off to you guys. This race has just gotten too big to need a car show and dare I say bikini contest. Thank God you guys did away with the burnout contest...
Only things I can see that could possibly make this event run smoother are:
-Limiting the index cars to 10.00 or faster.
-Mandatory diapers on ALL cars! No exceptions!
-If the bikini contest is going to happen, keep the racing going. People are just going to have to make a tough choice... Boobies or Racing.. LOL
-No pit vehicles unless it is pulling a car to the staging lanes. The pit vehicles are out of control!
-Maybe better traffic control. I went on Saturday and everything went smoothly by I understand it was a nightmare on Sunday. I will say that from my perspective, it has gotten better.
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Old Nov 7, 2013 | 10:02 AM
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Funny how the domestic guys are all bitching and crying and wanting separated import and domestic pits. Want us to ride in the back of the bus too???

Proud of all you guys for sticking it to them this year. Bust their asses next year too.
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Old Nov 7, 2013 | 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by pellis90

Need more security in the stands, Multiple people smoking weed next to younger kids. I dont care, but I did see many people move because of it. There was also a guy walking in front of the stands with a cooler bootlegging liquor openly to anyone !! He had hundreds of home made Cool AID style containers, and he sold out and would show up two hours later with more.

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I witnessed this myself and it needs to stop. there needs to be plain clothes police patrolling throughout the stands. this will cut down on a lot of the riff raff spectators once word spreads you will not tolerate this bs.
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Old Nov 7, 2013 | 10:13 AM
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I'm a man and I love boobies, but when it comes to racing I couldn't care less. lol. I'm way more interested in some fast cars then a half naked chick I can't touch.
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Old Nov 7, 2013 | 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by 4piston
Funny how the domestic guys are all bitching and crying and wanting separated import and domestic pits. Want us to ride in the back of the bus too???

Proud of all you guys for sticking it to them this year. Bust their asses next year too.
I don't blame them for wanting separate pits, a lot of the bs that went on was ridiculous. mir never had these types of problems back in the day. seems like its turning into etown and atco these past few years...
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Old Nov 7, 2013 | 10:22 AM
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I witnessed this myself and it needs to stop. there needs to be plain clothes police patrolling throughout the stands. this will cut down on a lot of the riff raff spectators once word spreads you will not tolerate this bs.
I agree, at least I didn't see what I saw last year. This was during the bikini contest, it seemed that entire first set of stands was full of unfavorable people. Watched them spit on ppl, throw full cans at them and on some truck parked below the bleachers. Coupled with being wild and unruly and drug use too.

We also had that shady guy with the cooler come try to sell us whatever it was he had in there too. That's scary, who knows what the hell is in there.
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Old Nov 7, 2013 | 11:45 AM
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My idea to help reduce the oil downs:
Install a few bright red flashing lights along the top of the walls, and when the starter sees a car leaking, he can hit a "STOP" button for that lane, and that driver should then abort the run immediately. The driver can't always see/smell/feel/hear fluid leaking from the car, this would help and not be very costly.

About the Blue GTI in 10.00 Index, it did NOT put any fluid down, his e-brake was up 1-2 clicks and the right rear tire locked up after the 1-2 shift, and then started turning after he slowed down or stopped. I understand the concern about it though.
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Old Nov 7, 2013 | 01:31 PM
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i have the solution

1- limit each class to 50 cars. Make people prepay to reserve their spot. A no show loses the $

2- cut down index classes. to 11.0 and 12.0 ONLY!!! 10.0 cars can race heads up true street or super street

3- jason you need 50-100 more garbage cans in the pits. And someone to come around and empty them maybe mid day. Trash was piling up and blowing in the wind.

4- if at all possible, pit racers of same classes together. We had a hard time hearing calls to the lanes with all the rotatatatatatataries and music.

5- besides that the event was badass!!!!! maybe invest in a ceiling over the entire track
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Old Nov 7, 2013 | 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by NAH2B
I witnessed this myself and it needs to stop. there needs to be plain clothes police patrolling throughout the stands. this will cut down on a lot of the riff raff spectators once word spreads you will not tolerate this bs.
+1

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Old Nov 7, 2013 | 04:22 PM
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and yes classes should be together on the pits. Not because the guy has a million dollar trailer and you want to be his best friend giving him the best spot.

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Old Nov 7, 2013 | 06:32 PM
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Jason I have no problem teching events for safety I have done it for sometime with boti and Nhra for insight on oiling and clean up issues I have dedicated a lot of
My resources and time in this area as a racer I hate going down a surface that has been oiled down let alone be the one responsible for something like that . I can help on both ends of the spectrum domestic and import fwd AWD and rwd vehicles I seen all of th and know what is needed for containment.
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