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Well im in for some changes in true street....im on an extremely basic set up inline manifold 6768 3" dp stock gsr cams stock trans s300 and still went fast enough to compete. Only thing i would like to see change is the so called "cheater" turbo's like the borg s400sx and the 6785...they make a lot more power than your standard off the shelf 67.. With that said im all about going faster i mean cars have shown it to be easy to break 8s in TS trim with each of these turbo's and that would be a top contender in SFWD. Something needs to be done to seperate the classes theyre too close as it is...its more worth it to be to take a weight break and run sfwd.

 

You opened a can of worms with this... but since you did I'll say my piece on the matter.

I dont think that the issue is the "Cheater Turbo's" as you put it. I do agree that the classes for SFWD and TS are too close together. As an example look at the fastest of the top 3 classes seen below:

8.0x - Miller - Outlaw trim

8.6x - Reynolds - SFWD Trim

8.9x - AROD - TS Trim

SO looking at the fastest people as markers outlaw is .6 seconds ahead of SFWD but SFWD is only .3 ahead of TS. IMO .6 seconds separating a class is a decent gap but .3 is too close especially when you consider the fact that these are the fastest people the average guy in SFWD is running 9.2x to 9.5x funny thing about that is the average TS bracket is 9.3 to 9.9.

The point is that yes each class is slower than the other at the moment the degree of separation between SFWD and TS is very small. IMO to fix this issue just slow down TS. How do you do that? Well, most people dont want to hear/accept this but restricting turbo size to 62mm would be a start guys can run 9.5x on a very properly setup 62mm car but I dont think they would get much faster maybe a tenth or two but it would keep the class in the 9 second range with an average racer bracket of 9.7 to 10.5. There are other rules that could be put in place to slow the class down as well but most would also interfere with driver safety and longevity of parts or would be unenforceable.

As a disclaimer I do not currently have a racecar or streetcar that is 62mm so I am in no way trying to make the rules fit my car these are just my opinions on separating the classes. If I were going to build another personal car I would build a 67mm car and run SFWD but for now I am fiscally restrained to tuning other peoples cars and enjoying their success.

 

I hope they come out soon! I am dying to start building something! 62mm for the fwd cars what's the limit going to be on 6cly rwd? 62mm @3600lbs?

 

Lets not all get our panties in a bunch about rules like every other year. Its gonna be the same people racing no matter what the rules are as history has proven.

 

Thats the damn truth.

 

wheres the like button at

 

If its on a website where I can buy it any day of the week, its a standard shelf 67. Some are just more advanced than others and cost more to boot.

 

Same arguments same no shows.

 

Im not sayin make it a 62 class cuz we all know that field would be very small... Either way it makes no difference to me im going to get in where i can fit in lol im going to race regardless

 

am I missing something?

http://www.importfaceoff.net/race_ru...InductionSport

I dont see the 62mm rule in there? Or the single power adder? Im assuming FIS is Forced Induction Sport.
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BECAUSE IT'S STILL 2012 and we have 2 events left this year.

2013 rules will be posted on the IFO website after the Dec 16th event.

 

Im just wondering if the 62mm Turbo rule will be checked, or if its on the honor system.

 

Joe, These are my thoughts on this. In an effort to make things fair I would think that a reasonable rule for 6cyl rwd and 2 rotor rwd would be 67mm with an exducer size restriction as well. Again I understand that this may require some people to change parts to stay within the class but I think its a fair way to keep the field level if you were changing to a 62mm limit for fwd.

Again, I agree with this statement. The only thing is as turbo technology evolves it only makes sense to me to move the 67+ guys up and redraw the rules for TS.

Ricky, this is an unfortunately true statement. As I have already stated I wish I could afford to race but at the moment I can not. However I do attend 5 or so events a year providing track support for friends/customers. But I think that without realizing you have also underlined another problem with your statement. The issue is that as the classes get faster and faster the cost factor goes way up. This deters new people from even wanting to consider building a car unless they are sitting on a pile of money and in essence can limit racer turnout. Racer turnout being low can effect fan turnout. If fan turnout is low then the track cant make money to support the event and then the event is no longer held. Obviously these are extreme circumstances and I am in no way suggesting that the sport is dying but making a class that more people can fit in is a good thing. People want to be a part of something. Just some stuff to think about.

Im not to sure that this would be the case I think that there are many of the slower guys running a 67 who might try and sell their unit for a 62 and run that way. Also there are a lot of street car 62's around that typically would not compete due to being crushed that may now feel as if they have a chance. IFO will be a good marker for how the class will work. If FIS becomes popular then it s a good indicator that this may be the right step to take.

 

Is it true that you need to line up next to each other on a sanctioned drag strip, leave when you're supposed to but NOT before, and drive like hell to get to the other end before the other car does?

 

The problem is the sport progresses and people always want to keep up with the fastest guys even if there budget doesnt allow them too. So instead of running what they have they keep changing stuff and crying about the rules and before you know it 3 years have passed and those cars still arent out and there still complaining about the rules. Everyone wants the glory of racing heads up classes with out the price or dedication it takes. You can always race index and brackets where its all run fields and everyone is limited to the same et. People need to start following what they really want and not what the next guy wants.

 

Well said Ricky... or people parting out their cars before it hits the track.

 

Man I wish my local street crowd was like that.. We just have tons of d-bags.

Also I'm a fan! Keep up the good work mc-broski.


Can we have hood exit exhaust?

 

Everyone seems to have hood exit exhaust I don't think that's going anywhere

 

My favorite 2 things about having a hood exit.
1: I don't continue to add to the filth on the underbody.
2: I can have a first hand notification on how fuel is burning and if theres something bad about to happen LOL

 

Are you still going to allow the Single cams to run the 67mm turbo?

 

As I see it the problem is SFWD and TS have grown too close together. The only difference between the two classes is a turbo inducer measurement which is almost meaningless these days. If the announcer doesn't make mention of the change in classes most casual spectators/fans wouldn't even notice. The cars look the same and for the most part run very similar times.

Yes those who bitch about the rules are going to bitch about the rules and not race and those that race will continue to race anyway but for the sport to grow and prosper it needs an influx of new racers and spectators. Having two almost identical classes does neither. While a 62mm inducer limit sounds great on paper in reality it does little to slow these cars down. I applaud Cliff for being proactive and making a change but the reality is you can go plenty quick on a 62mm. The easiest way to not only slow True Street down but also provide some separation between the classes is to change TS to a radial class. Make fwd cars run a 225/50/15 radial (no bias ply). Limit AWD cars to a true all season in an appropriate size. Not sure about RWD but I am sure there is a tire out there that would allow them to run equivalent times.

Certain people are still likely to dominate. That is a fact of heads up racing. At least there would be class that didn't require running 8's to be at the top of the field. Those that wanted to run a slick would still have SFWD/SS to run in. Racers who wanted to stay in TS would only need to buy a set of tires - which most racers are buying every couple of events anyway.

 

You're so wrong. The reality is... FIS is already the most popular class we have and 90% of the cars are 62 mm. The new ruling will make 100% of them 62mm.

 

this would be somewhat like the old nopi PWS class. that was a fun class.

 

We will be allowing forward facing turbos in True Street at IREV and WCF for 2013. We will be addressing the 2013 rules here very soon. We are looking at possibly making some clarifications or restrictions on more than just inducer size in True Street in an attempt to keep from the class being carried away to far. It was intended to be a mid to low 9 sec class, but some of you guys are just to darn smart and fast, haha.

I fear that if True Street stays a 8 sec class, that it will be to intimidating for new blood to want to come into the class. I feel that True Street needs to stay in the 9s. The biggest reason I added the Super Street class at IREV and WCF was so the SFWD cars could come in and race with no changes and also to help move some of the "cherry pickers" out of True Street where they shouldnt be.