I am going to attempt to install an alarm in my 93 civic this weekend and I have a question. My car does not have an alarm in it already but it does have a chip you have to insert for it to start which im guessing is a starter kill (correct me if im wrong). I dont want to use this anymore. I would rather just use the starter kill that comes with the alarm and eliminate the chip all together. Can anyone tell me what i will have to do to remove this chip setup so that I can use the DEI starter kill? Thanks.

 

Or better yet, sorry, I just thought of this, I might not use a start kill at the ignition at all, so what could I do to just get rid of the chip all together and get that back to factory? Thanks.

 

Anyone? WRX?

 

Good call on getting rid of that useless junk.

The chip will have a bunch of wires going everywhere tapped into different wires that you can just cut and tape. Then at the ignition harness your starter wire (black/white 10 gauge) will be cut in two. Cut the junky aftermarket wire / relay and butt connect the starter wire back together. Make sure you use a 10 gauge butt connector.

Soldering the 10 gauge is usually too difficult for people that don't have some experience soldering. So I recommend the butt connector and a GOOD set of crimpers with some good leverage on them.

I also recommend you get a non-insulated butt connector and some heat shrink. It will be much cleaner.

Tape up your ignition harness again. You may even cover it with split loom and run it over the top of the steering column (it can be unplugged at the fusebox).

 

Perfect, thanks a lot. Ive been reading a lot on your site in preperation for my install. One last question for you if I may. Im not planning on using the starter or ignition kill that comes with the alarm in favor of something in the bay along with a fuel kill. Which wires would I not need to use on the alarm then? I dont need specific colors as im sure this differs from alarm to alarm but just what the wire does. Thanks again.

 

I rarely ever do start kills becasue on a 5 speed its easy to get around. And most theives will either push start the car or go straight to the starter. Its a layer to have to make them work. I do them mostly on r.s. There are other kills like the main relay and relocate it, cpk and tdc in the dizzy to kill. Ecu kill, fuel kill, injector kill, map sensor kill, tps kill. All work great and are just time consuming. No matter what. If you do tour alarm right from the start. A theif is not going to sit in your driveway trying to diagnose a no start situration. They do not know what going on in the car. And it will take to long. And if your install is done right. There is no siren to cut and they will be sitting there with a alarm going off that they can not do anything about.

 

Thanks wrx. I have read quite a bit of your information to in prep for my alarm install. Both of you seem quite knowledgable. So what wires could I take out of the alarm harness if I am not doing a kill from the ignition? Thanks.

 

There are a number of wires you do not need, how many and which ones will depend on the alarm make and model and what "options" you want.

We need a make and model to know what leads you do not need because alarms are all a little or a lot different from each other.

If you are not going to use the alarms starter kill then you can get rid of the orange lead, [GWA] or the pre-wired starter kill relay and it's leads or the leads for the built-in starter kill, it depends on the make and model of the alarm, pretty much the same applies for an ign. kill you did not want to use.

With a make and model we can be specific about what leads, []what color they are and pin position they are in] to remove, without any mistakes or misunderstandings. 94

 

Hey fcm, sorry about not being specific. I am using a Viper 350hv. Its going into a 93 civic coupe. Hope this can help and I appreciate you guys helping me out.

 

Morning bump. Anyone?

 

Like fcm said, you don't need the orange wire or the starter kill relay. But I don't see any reason not to use it in addition to a separate kill. If you're doing a quarter panel install you might as well put it on the fuel pump power right there. It's not difficult to think of a scenario of it saving your car.

 

I just dont want to attach any kills to my ignition. Im going to use a fuel kill so if that was the case, I would still use all the same wires?

 

I don't have an install guide for the 350HV but like most DEI alarms, wiring is pretty much the same but there will be differences, I think the Clifford Matrix 1 was the same.
Let me know if you think I am missing something.



I agree with suspendedHatch even if you do not want to do starter cut, use the orange, [GWA] for something else, every layer helps, also required for VRS feature.


The primary harness (H1), leads you should not need, de-pin them.

H1/1 orange, although as mentioned it's still useful.
H1/3 white/blue, unless you need to control something with the remote.
H1/4 black/white, unless you want dome light supervision.
H1/7 violet.
H1/12 red/white, unless you want power trunk/hatch release.

H2 are for your power door locks.

The 4pin "Optional Sensor Port" plug is good if you have extra sensors, or extra trigger inputs, [trunk/hatch pin or back-up batt. trigger].

If I remember, the impact sensor is built-in, with adjustment screw on the side of the main brain.
To have an effective impact sensor, how the brain is mounted and the sensor is adjusted is critical, if done properly the adjustment "screw" will be set relatively low and you should be able to kick any tire hard and trigger no more then the first stage, [warn a way] cracking a lug nut free should trigger the alarm, you should have fairly uniform impact sensitivity all over the car, with soft impacts triggering warn a way only, continuous soft impact should trigger the alarm as would any hard impact, although sensitivity will decrease over distance from the sensor, if mounted properly in the right spot, the diff. in sensitivity will be minimal. 94

 

Cool, wow you guys really know your stuff. Thank you everyone. I definately want to use layers and I will definately use the ground when armed. I just dont want to connect anything to the ignition. Too obvious. Im actually really excited about the install. I loved learning something new.

 

I'm pretty sure I have a couple of detailed write-ups of that exact alarm on my site. Including which wires to de-pin, etc etc etc. Check it out.

Don't just look at the Civic install. All Civics and Integras are basically the same.

 

All good info the key to any kill setup is to have multiple kills. Do not rely on just one kill to prevent theft. I guarantee an intelligent theif will try to bypass at least one kill. If you have multiple kills it will make him second guess if his first bypass was done correctly and he will want to move on.

 

I am planning on using multiple kills. From what I have read, thats the way to go. My car isnt by any means very nice, but someone just broke into it the other night and stole everythin I had inside so its time for some protection.

 

Sorry to spring this old thread to life again, but I want to insure im using whats neccessary and nothing extra. If I am only going to be using a fuel kill and and a starter kill in the bay, do I have to hook anything up to the ignition or starter wires at all, because I would like to leave this factory of I can?

 

You do not. 94

 

Perfect, thank you. And how about the accessory hook up?

 

hey how do you do a full pump kill??i herd you can use the air conditioner button for the kill switch if you dont have ac.thats what i wanted to do do you just run a wire from the full pump to the ac button?

 

You could do that by wiring up a relay.

 

how do you do that?