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Old Jun 23, 2009 | 03:11 PM
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i have no idea why but everytime i arm my alarm i get another beep on my remote showing that my hood is open. I've looked at the hood pin switch and the bottom metal piece isn't making any contact with the other metal portion of the switch so im not sure why its still showing it open. It is the switch that came with the alarm (VIPER 7900 on a 99 civic) so im kinda at a loss as to why it would be going off any ideas?
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Old Jun 23, 2009 | 03:38 PM
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its probably set to be normally closed, try connecting it and see if it works..
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Old Jun 23, 2009 | 03:58 PM
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not sure i understand what you meant by that
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Old Jun 23, 2009 | 04:02 PM
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unplug the wire from the switch, and see, it may be that your swtch is bad already.
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Old Jun 23, 2009 | 04:09 PM
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i guess that could be possible although the alarm is like 2 months old if that lol. any idea on where i could purchase a better switch? and what kind of switch would be better
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Old Jun 23, 2009 | 04:45 PM
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Hood pin lead, [H3/4 gray] is a neg.(-) input, using a normally open switch, it is not programmable.

As mentioned, unplug the pin switch and arm the alarm, do you still get a 2nd chirp?

Is anything else connected to the hood pin trigger lead, like trunk/hatch trigger or back up batt. trigger?
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Old Jun 24, 2009 | 02:56 PM
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ok fcm, i unplugged the hood pin switch and it yeah it does still give me the second beep for the hood being open, and yes i do have the backup battery connected to that wire but no truck/hatch trigger installed. i figure common sense would tell a smart thief to go for my hood since the blinking led would signify i have an alarm so i wired it there.
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Old Jun 24, 2009 | 03:46 PM
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Disconnect the back-up batt. trigger form the hood pin input lead and try alarm again.

A pin switch is not needed for trunk/hatch trigger on Honda/Acura, there is already one there, [trunk/hatch light, trunk/hatch open warning light, trunk/hatch trigger is blue/black and can be found in OEM alarm plug, [green] to the right of steering column, connect it to the H1/7 blue (-) multiplex input zone. 94
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Old Jun 24, 2009 | 09:24 PM
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ok i'll do that, i do recall that a light does come up on the dash showing my trunk open so will do sir. i'll also disconnect the trigger wire for the backup battery and see what happens then as well. i'll give an update tomorrow after the deed is done.
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Old Jun 25, 2009 | 01:54 PM
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alright well i disconnected the blue wire from the backup battery from the hood pin switch wire and it finally quit giving me the second beep from the hood being open so that problem solved. now the question is where should i tie that blue wire into?
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Old Jun 25, 2009 | 02:48 PM
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ok this is really getting frustrating, im still getting the second beep from my hood being open after i reconnected the hood pin switch. i armed it the first time and then released the pin and the alarm started sounding, but now when i arm it again its saying the hood is open again. i even tried turning the ignition to clear it and make sure that wasnt the problem but no luck. any more ideas?
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Old Jun 25, 2009 | 03:15 PM
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Where did you get the alarm from? 94
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Old Jun 25, 2009 | 03:23 PM
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my cousin, dont know if he got it from an authorized dealer or not though.
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Old Jun 26, 2009 | 01:49 PM
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any other ideas?
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First make sure the alarm is programmed to n.o. input on the hood pin wire. It could of been changed. This model does have this option. Also make sure the hood pin is being closed by the hood. If its not adjusted right it will say its open while you arm the car. I would also check the 520t. It should not be triggering the neg output unless there is a voltage drop.
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First make sure the alarm is programmed to n.o. input on the hood pin wire. It could of been changed. This model does have this option.
Are you sure about that, I'm looking at the install guide and can't find anything on changing the hood pin, [H3/4 gray] trigger from NO to NC ???
Is there a diff. between US and Canadian version of the Viper 7900?

yessewey, is the remote start connected, does it work? 94

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Old Jun 26, 2009 | 09:34 PM
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no sir its not connected, we were talking about it previously and u told me to remove the relay satellite because i wasnt using the remote start anyways. its weird though, like i went to work and armed the alarm and of course it beeped again saying the hood was open. when i went out for lunch i unlocked the car and it beeped four times i think it was, saying my alarm had been triggered and it showed my hood as the place from where it was triggered. i got home and armed the alarm and it didnt beep the second time for the hood which i found weird but whatever, then about 2 minutes later the alarm started sounding and again the cause was the hood pin trigger. i hit the lock button to silence it but again the same thing so i just disarmed it for the time being and unplugged the hood pin switch.
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Old Jun 26, 2009 | 09:36 PM
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oh and wrx killer, i tied in the backup battery to both the hood and the doors, both times it would make the car think that they were open. so im not sure why thats happening either.
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Are you sure about that, I'm looking at the install guide and can't find anything on changing the hood pin, [H3/4 gray] trigger from NO to NC ???
Is there a diff. between US and Canadian version of the Viper 7900?

yessewey, is the remote start connected, does it work? 94
I think there the same. I will ask my rep. I been having all kinds of programing issues with the 50.7x. Nonething that will affect the user.

When using the bitwriter. Some units will have every option to program and some unit will not. Ie. some alarms have a timmer on the dome light survalance. But some models of the same model do not have it.

But you also have to remember. On some models you can only acceses extra features thru a bitwriter only. This is one of the reason I hate when new things come out.
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oh and wrx killer, i tied in the backup battery to both the hood and the doors, both times it would make the car think that they were open. so im not sure why thats happening either.
Either a ebay unit or a bad unit. If your local I would like to see it.
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no sir its not connected, we were talking about it previously and u told me to remove the relay satellite because i wasnt using the remote start anyways. its weird though, like i went to work and armed the alarm and of course it beeped again saying the hood was open. when i went out for lunch i unlocked the car and it beeped four times i think it was, saying my alarm had been triggered and it showed my hood as the place from where it was triggered. i got home and armed the alarm and it didnt beep the second time for the hood which i found weird but whatever, then about 2 minutes later the alarm started sounding and again the cause was the hood pin trigger. i hit the lock button to silence it but again the same thing so i just disarmed it for the time being and unplugged the hood pin switch.
Did you connect the yellow lead in the ribbon harness to an ign. source?
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Old Jun 27, 2009 | 07:12 AM
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Originally Posted by wrx-killer-Sti-eater
I think there the same. I will ask my rep. I been having all kinds of programing issues with the 50.7x. Nonething that will affect the user.

When using the bitwriter. Some units will have every option to program and some unit will not. Ie. some alarms have a timmer on the dome light survalance. But some models of the same model do not have it.

But you also have to remember. On some models you can only acceses extra features thru a bitwriter only. This is one of the reason I hate when new things come out.
This is a Viper 7900, "(VIPER 7900 on a 99 civic)" the guide indicates any programming only accessible by bitwriter and changing the hood pin from NO to NC is not one of them.
This is an install guide from one of the first Viper 7900 I installed, [when they first came out] check with your rep, [I can't, no longer a DEI dealer] if the programing for NO/NC is a feature of newer generations of the 7900. 94
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ok, wrx killer yes i did get my backup battery from ebay. i didnt know where else to order it from so i got it from there. im not local to you or yeah i'd let you check it out but if u want i can upload some and show you.

fcm, i did connect the yellow wire from the ribbon harness to an ignition source so that problem was solved. also as i was typing this my alarm just went off saying that the hood was open again so im thinking either i need to move where i have the hood pin switch to another location (if u guys could suggest one) or i need to check out the connection where the quick connect plugs up to the switch itself.
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Old Jun 27, 2009 | 11:31 AM
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I always install hood pin switch on the batt. side of engine bay.

I will use some back bracing... http://www.scosche.com/products/sfID...productID/1378 as a "bracket" and mount it using a fender bolt if possible, remove bolt, slip bracket between fender and chassis reinstall bolt, mount pin-switch to bracket.

Did you try disconnecting anything/everything from the hood switch input to alarm and arming alarm that way? 94
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so is that back bracing used to bring the button up closer to the hood and push the switch down more when the hood is closed? either way i will do that though. yes i did disconnect the hood pin switch and it stopped giving me the beep only after i disconnected the backup battery's blue wire. when i plugged it back w/o the blue wire from the backup battery it works on and off, sometimes giving me the message the hood is open and randomly triggering the alarm so thats the problem im stuck at right now. i think wat im going to do for now is completely redo the wiring for the hood pin switch with a new quick d/c and all and go from there until i get the back bracing.
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