at one point i had type s 6x9's triaxials in sealed enclosures sittin in the rear, and type s 6.5 inch coaxials in the front... all powered by my deh-p840mp... then i got some type r 6.5 inch components for the front, powered em by a MRV-T320 (50x2). kept the rears in there powered by the HU.... after a week, getting it all tuned... i noticed the rears were there, but completely useless. i also had a type r 10 inch sub in a sealed enclosure powered by a MRD-M500 for my bass purposes. needless to say the rears were takin outta the car and it never sounded better. imaging was the best i had ever heard in any of my friends or my car before, needless to say tho, ive never been in a perfect competition SQ car, so it mighta sounded like ***, but hell, i loved it

 

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SIMPLE AS THAT!

hey, the guy said he faded out the rears to +9 to the front right?


well maybe thats full faded to the front on his head unit and its just playin the fronts alone!

 

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There you go, you have to compromise... Same thing you have to compromise when you have passengers in the back sit and when you want a "choir" in your car, instead of a one/two screaming and choking maniacs.</TD></TR></TABLE>

ok give it a rest with the "screaming" speakers analogy cause its totally pointless. a good speaker will sound the same whether its playing at the lowest setting or at its rated power.


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I never noticed it being confusing, but again, I must be deaf My car doesn't have 2 sources of sound, it has only one, 'cause they blend in very nicely together and you can't really say that here's playing the front speaker, and here's playing the rear speaker...then I fade it to front and the main source feels like it's coming from the front.
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i'm not saying you're deaf i'm jsut saying you have no ******* clue what a stereo that images sounds like.

the truth is, whether you think they blend or not, you have 4 sources of sound and only 2 channels. just out of curiousity why dont you run 15 speakers in your car since more speakers gives you better sound?

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That's what I was saying all the time. What I mean is that it can be as loud to certain volume level (2 speakers at max will never be as loud as 4 speakers at max), but the sound sounds...kind of 1 dimensional and less pleasant.
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well that depends on the speakers. you spend 250 on your front stage and 250 on your rear fill, or 500 on your front stage, which one will be louder? which one will sound better. i'm putting my money on the front stage speakers

if you have fronts only and it sounds 1 dimensional, then you're imaging is terrible and you should probably think about setting up your front stage properly. just out of curiousity do you have your fronts mounted flat on the doors?


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who said anything about a home stereo?


hey GSteg, wheres the pics??

 

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hey GSteg, wheres the pics?? </TD></TR></TABLE>


of??

 

your horn install.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by bassisliffe &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">SIMPLE AS THAT!

hey, the guy said he faded out the rears to +9 to the front right?


well maybe thats full faded to the front on his head unit and its just playin the fronts alone! </TD></TR></TABLE>

No man, it goes up to +25.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by EBP_SI &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ok give it a rest with the "screaming" speakers analogy cause its totally pointless. a good speaker will sound the same whether its playing at the lowest setting or at its rated power. </TD></TR></TABLE>

It will sound the same as 4 good speakers playing at half of their true potential?

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by EBP_SI &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the truth is, whether you think they blend or not, you have 4 sources of sound and only 2 channels. just out of curiousity why dont you run 15 speakers in your car since more speakers gives you better sound?</TD></TR></TABLE>

There is always a point where too much of something won't do you no good anymore. I didn't test how much of speakers is just enough, but 4 speakers still sound pretty good (unlike 2). And the reasons of course are understandable for not having 15 speakers...weight, size, money, room to place, etc. Oh yeah, and they often have more than 1 sub. Some even have 4, and others have a full wall of them

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by EBP_SI &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">well that depends on the speakers. you spend 250 on your front stage and 250 on your rear fill, or 500 on your front stage, which one will be louder? which one will sound better. i'm putting my money on the front stage speakers</TD></TR></TABLE>

Haha, you're completely wrong!!! The louder will be 500 fronts + 250 rears

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by EBP_SI &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">if you have fronts only and it sounds 1 dimensional, then you're imaging is terrible and you should probably think about setting up your front stage properly. just out of curiousity do you have your fronts mounted flat on the doors?</TD></TR></TABLE>

They are mounted just like stock speakers. I put a damper behind them and it noticeably helped sq. Of course, I get door rattling, so I crossover them at 160hz, which eventually reduces my sq, but that's something you have to compromise They play no problem at 50hz, but rattling just doesn't allow me to have them hanging there

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by EBP_SI &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">who said anything about a home stereo?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Then why do you ask about a stereo (hu)? There is more to it than just hu.


What car do you drive by the way?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Odessa &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It will sound the same as 4 good speakers playing at half of their true potential?


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2 properly installed speaker will sound better than 4 properly install speakers.


why? Because rear speakers will throw off your imaging no matter how clear it sounds.

again, I urge you to listen to a SQ finalist car from an event such as the IASCA. Only front stage and that's it.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Odessa &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It will sound the same as 4 good speakers playing at half of their true potential? </TD></TR></TABLE>

Yes

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Odessa &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">There is always a point where too much of something won't do you no good anymore. I didn't test how much of speakers is just enough, but 4 speakers still sound pretty good (unlike 2). And the reasons of course are understandable for not having 15 speakers...weight, size, money, room to place, etc. Oh yeah, and they often have more than 1 sub. Some even have 4, and others have a full wall of them </TD></TR></TABLE>

Do some research on sound wave interference and you will understand why extra speakers screw up imaging and other audio qualities.


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Then you have not heard a properly set up front soundstage.

 

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There is always a point where too much of something won't do you no good anymore. I didn't test how much of speakers is just enough, but 4 speakers still sound pretty good (unlike 2). And the reasons of course are understandable for not having 15 speakers...weight, size, money, room to place, etc. Oh yeah, and they often have more than 1 sub. Some even have 4, and others have a full wall of them </TD></TR></TABLE>

you just dont get it do you. what makes 4 the perfect amount. why not 6? why not 3?? especially when a CD only has 2 channels.... present me with a legitimate arguement.

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They are mounted just like stock speakers. I put a damper behind them and it noticeably helped sq. Of course, I get door rattling, so I crossover them at 160hz, which eventually reduces my sq, but that's something you have to compromise They play no problem at 50hz, but rattling just doesn't allow me to have them hanging there </TD></TR></TABLE>

i rest my case about your front stage... you have nothing below 160hz coming from the front do you have your subs crossed at 200Hz


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a stereo is a stereo whether its in your car or in your house or on your boat. the reason i ask is maybe you think your stereo is good and that how it sounds is about as good as it gets. the truth is theres much better out and if you haven't experienced and of this stuff then you should be talking about imaging if you dont know what it is. its like trying to have a discussion about picture quality when all you've seen is a black and white tv.

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What car do you drive by the way?
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i drive a 00 SI, why?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by GSteg &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">2 properly installed speaker will sound better than 4 properly install speakers.


why? Because rear speakers will throw off your imaging no matter how clear it sounds.

again, I urge you to listen to a SQ finalist car from an event such as the IASCA. Only front stage and that's it. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Right, my car must sound so horrible that for some reason everyone praises my audio system

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by rochesterricer &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Do some research on sound wave interference and you will understand why extra speakers screw up imaging and other audio qualities.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Would I have to use a microscope for my research?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by EBP_SI &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">you just dont get it do you. what makes 4 the perfect amount. why not 6? why not 3?? especially when a CD only has 2 channels.... present me with a legitimate arguement</TD></TR></TABLE>

I never said that 4 is the perfect amount. I said I don't know what's the perfect amount, but 4 sound better than 2. That's what I said. And do they have 2 speakers playing at concerts?

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by EBP_SI &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i rest my case about your front stage... you have nothing below 160hz coming from the front do you have your subs crossed at 200Hz</TD></TR></TABLE>

Subs are crossed at 125hz. Rears at 125hz.

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Just wondering, maybe it's your car that makes rears sound bad.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Odessa &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Right, my car must sound so horrible that for some reason everyone praises my audio system </TD></TR></TABLE>

That doesn't really mean much unless they are a bunch of IASCA judges. 99% of people wouldn't know a killer sound system if it walked up and smacked them in the face with a glass *****.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by rochesterricer &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">That doesn't really mean much unless they are a bunch of IASCA judges. 99% of people wouldn't know a killer sound system if it walked up and smacked them in the face with a glass *****.</TD></TR></TABLE>

No, maybe just people have different preferences and tastes.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by rochesterricer &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">smacked them in the face with a glass *****.</TD></TR></TABLE>

 

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i'm not saying your system sounds horrible at all. hell, i thought the stock acura system sounded nice when i first heard it.

Then i actually went and listened to a couple of cars and it blew me away.

Put in some 2 way Kraco system and even the soccer mom will be impressed. Many do not know wat to listen for so anything would be good sounding to them.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Odessa &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I never said that 4 is the perfect amount. I said I don't know what's the perfect amount, but 4 sound better than 2. That's what I said. And do they have 2 speakers playing at concerts?

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no, but a real concert would have sound coming from the front. I'm not talking about some rock concert where they put speakers everywhere and just jam on their guitar. That's not sound quality.

I think the main argument is that front stage is all you really need, a well made front stage that is. You're not getting good sound from your fronts alone right now because THE IMAGING AND SOUND STAGE IS OFF. it's going to sound crappy unless you have it tuned right.

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Subs are crossed at 125hz. Rears at 125hz.</TD></TR></TABLE>

wow..u have your subs playing midbass freq. and you know sound quality? i'm impressed


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Just wondering, maybe it's your car that makes rears sound bad.</TD></TR></TABLE>

all cars are **** when it comes to reproducing music. rears in his car would sound bad because that's what messes his sound quality! you mess up imaging when you add rears!

 

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I never said that 4 is the perfect amount. I said I don't know what's the perfect amount, but 4 sound better than 2. That's what I said. And do they have 2 speakers playing at concerts?


Subs are crossed at 125hz. Rears at 125hz.


Just wondering, maybe it's your car that makes rears sound bad.</TD></TR></TABLE>

k, i'm officially giving up. i'm not going to try and argue anymore cause you clearly dont know what to look for when listening to music. i'm sure you love music but dont really have an appreciation for listening to it accurately and how the artist intended. when you actually hear a system that images, post up your experiences, i'm sure it'll be interesting.

i can tell from your crossover points though, that your system needs help and could sound 100X better with some work.

 

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I don't think I can even hear it play above 100hz. I just have it there for the heck of it

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Yeah, but try listening to music when you're in the back sit with no rears. That's just evil!

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by EBP_SI &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">k, i'm officially giving up. i'm not going to try and argue anymore cause you clearly dont know what to look for when listening to music. i'm sure you love music but dont really have an appreciation for listening to it accurately and how the artist intended. when you actually hear a system that images, post up your experiences, i'm sure it'll be interesting.

i can tell from your crossover points though, that your system needs help and could sound 100X better with some work. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Yeah, I'm getting tired from this argument too Lets just do whatever we like... And crossovers are there 'cause rattling sucks ***!!!! I'd have all my speakers crossed at 50hz, if not for that damn rattling

 

Sound deadening is your friend.

 

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I doubt he's my friend when moving parts are rattling.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Odessa &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I doubt he's my friend when moving parts are rattling.</TD></TR></TABLE>

damn canadians.....go watch some hockey (shakes head)

j/k

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by rcurley55 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">damn canadians.....go watch some hockey (shakes head)

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Hockey? No hockey this year