ok i have done alot of research and i just want some opinions from anyone that has done this, I have a 90 ls, I'm contemplating a b18c swap or an b16a swap, i know the differences and i much rather have the b18c because of the hp and torque, if anyone has done this could you fill me in on what you think, Thanks for any info

 

Are you truly going for the B18C swap, or a B18C1, etc swap? Just wondering...

 

i'm going for a 94 b18c1(Gsr motor) if not a b16a

 

Ok well a B18C1 vs a B16A really isn't that different. Assuming you run an OBD0 B16A (1st gen) you're lookin at 160HP and 112 ft lbs torque. (If you run an OBD1 B16A SIR II (2nd gen) that's 170hp and 116 ft lbs.) Anywho, a B18C1 is 170hp and I don't remember torque but it's a few foot pounds higher.

Now let's compare more. You want to put this in an OBD0 90 teg. So your best bet for a most direct swap is going to be a B16A 1st gen. It's OBD0 so the wiring will be simple (add three wires for VTEC). Clutch assemblies interchangable, etc. And the cost of one of them on eBay isn't too bad, not to mention they are usually pretty low mileage.

Now compare the B18C1. Sure you get 10 more HP and some extra torque, but the price is DEF going to be higher (for a complete swap). Not to mention it's OBD1 or OBD2 depending on which year you get it from. So there's more hassle. And most likely the mileage will be higher. Plus if it comes with a tranny, it'll be hydro, and you have a cable.

Go to http://www.g2ic.com

Click on Teg Tips at the top. Then go to the engine section, and select B Series Engine Swap guide. This will give you even more info and details. It'll tell you all the specs and everything you will have to do to actually do any of the above swaps, plus a lot more.

-- Kevin

 

yeah i'm a member on g2ic, i read all of that but thanks for the direction, i'm going to go turbo but i thought maybe Vtec first.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by b62pteg#2 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Ok well a B18C1 vs a B16A really isn't that different. Assuming you run an OBD0 B16A (1st gen) you're lookin at 160HP and 112 ft lbs torque. (If you run an OBD1 B16A SIR II (2nd gen) that's 170hp and 116 ft lbs.) Anywho, a B18C1 is 170hp and I don't remember torque but it's a few foot pounds higher.

Now let's compare more. You want to put this in an OBD0 90 teg. So your best bet for a most direct swap is going to be a B16A 1st gen. It's OBD0 so the wiring will be simple (add three wires for VTEC). Clutch assemblies interchangable, etc. And the cost of one of them on eBay isn't too bad, not to mention they are usually pretty low mileage.

Now compare the B18C1. Sure you get 10 more HP and some extra torque, but the price is DEF going to be higher (for a complete swap). Not to mention it's OBD1 or OBD2 depending on which year you get it from. So there's more hassle. And most likely the mileage will be higher. Plus if it comes with a tranny, it'll be hydro, and you have a cable.

Go to http://www.g2ic.com

Click on Teg Tips at the top. Then go to the engine section, and select B Series Engine Swap guide. This will give you even more info and details. It'll tell you all the specs and everything you will have to do to actually do any of the above swaps, plus a lot more.

-- Kevin</TD></TR></TABLE>

I'm just gonna say that there is a big difference between a b18c1 and a B16A... I think others will vouch, especially when putting those motors into a teg...

B18c1 is very much preffered over a b16A... only thing is that the B18c1 swap is gonna be almsot 2x the price of the B16A swap...
-Mike

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by AngelTeg &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

I'm just gonna say that there is a big difference between a b18c1 and a B16A... I think others will vouch, especially when putting those motors into a teg...

B18c1 is very much preffered over a b16A... only thing is that the B18c1 swap is gonna be almsot 2x the price of the B16A swap...
-Mike</TD></TR></TABLE>

true

 

If you had a civic then I would say go for B16A.

 

Guys now I'm interested what the "BIG" difference is.

I recommended the B16A swap for him for overall ease of installation and pricing. Specially now that he mentioned wanting to turbo, he'll need money for that as well.

And yes, I'm aware of things that are different in the B18C, such as the combustion chamber, intake manifold bolt difference (not that that affects power), etc. I'm just curious now as to what else is so big that poeple got jumpy on me about recommending a B16A! lol

Thanks

-- Kevin

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by b62pteg#2 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Guys now I'm interested what the "BIG" difference is.

I recommended the B16A swap for him for overall ease of installation and pricing. Specially now that he mentioned wanting to turbo, he'll need money for that as well.

And yes, I'm aware of things that are different in the B18C, such as the combustion chamber, intake manifold bolt difference (not that that affects power), etc. I'm just curious now as to what else is so big that poeple got jumpy on me about recommending a B16A! lol

Thanks

-- Kevin</TD></TR></TABLE>

he didn't mention cost or install as a factor....he just wanted to get some feedback from people who have actually done this to their gen2 tegs since he has already done all the research.

imo, if he's going with a turbo setup, there is no point to swapping first unless he has a bad b18a.
just make sure the motor is healthy, then goto your turbo setup.......if you blow the motor you can always get the swap then.

 

98 gsr in my 90 teg soo much fun only thing now is need boost

 

That's easy...Doesn't matter what you know about the car. Just remember this "There is no replacement for displacement ". Regardless of what you are building. Wich ever one has the most displacement(performance wise) is gonna be the better motor to go with. Unless for some reason you want less power.


I personally would go with the B18 for obvious performance reason. Or better yet a B18 with a B16 head

 

B16 is not that bad, but b18 is more fun
I'm running a Stock b18c1 in my eg right now and I love it.

 

heavier car, put in the B18C, better low end to get the car moving ....which is going to be very important. You can't just look at peak numbers.

- Nathan

 

Aight guys I guess the main reason I was asking is cause everyone is makin the B16 out to be some bad engine. Yet, I have a B16A SIR II in my 92 teg. All it has is a no name cold air, 2" catback, 8 lb flywheel, and exedy clutch.

I've raced my friend with a 98 GSR, he has an AEM cold air, greddy exhaust, and an MSD ignition. We've raced many times. Sometimes from a dead stop, sometimes rolling, sometimes 50mph, etc. Anywho we've raced a lot, just for comparision. And everytime (depending on which way we started) I've either beaten him or been dead even with him. This is why I'm trying to just figure out why the B18C1 is such a better engine?

I'm not argueing, I'm not saying B18Cs are stupid, I'm just speaking from personal experience.

And yes, he didn't orginally say price was a factor. But he later stated about the turbo plan and therefore it just "supported" my reasonings for a B16. But once again I'm not trying to start something with anyone. Just voiceing my opinions. Thanks guys.

-- Kevin

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by b62pteg#2 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Aight guys I guess the main reason I was asking is cause everyone is makin the B16 out to be some bad engine. Yet, I have a B16A SIR II in my 92 teg. All it has is a no name cold air, 2" catback, 8 lb flywheel, and exedy clutch.

I've raced my friend with a 98 GSR, he has an AEM cold air, greddy exhaust, and an MSD ignition. We've raced many times. Sometimes from a dead stop, sometimes rolling, sometimes 50mph, etc. Anywho we've raced a lot, just for comparision. And everytime (depending on which way we started) I've either beaten him or been dead even with him. This is why I'm trying to just figure out why the B18C1 is such a better engine?</TD></TR></TABLE>

ok, no one is blasting you for having your own opinion, but your proof is anecdotal.

1. you have a 92 RS which comes from the dealership weighing anywhere from 100 lbs to 150 lbs lighter than the 98 gsr. Power to weight ratio makes a difference here. Plus add the weight of the drivers.

2. no one knows how good a driver you are compared to your friend, this too makes a difference.

3. Doesn't the b16a sirII cost a little more than the 1st gen b16a lots of people buy at the cheaper price, and also doesn't it make the same hp numbers as the usdm gsr motor (170 hp). It does have less torque than the usdm b18c, but your car once again has 150lbs less weight to help that.

Anyway, look at it this way......if someone offered you a b18c1 or a b16 swap free which one would you take?
If cost is a concern, then forget the swap, beef up the current b18a he has in there and go turbo.......then you can always go swap later on if that motor blows.

 

Eh, shoot for somewhere in the middle...B17A.

 

Cliff -

You're points are valid, though I think you read my info wrong. My current teg is a 92 GS. All options, fully loaded. I also drive with a system (bandpass box and two 10" subs) along with a full size extra wheel (stock GS alloy wheel). I'm not into sacrificing sound or having a full size spare for the sake of weight reduction. All my friend has in his GSR is a single 12" sub in a small box. Plus he's about 20-30 lbs heavier then me (that's my advantage, I'm a skinny boy!)

Now as for better driver lol, I will have to say I'm better then him. That's not argueable, so I agree that def has a say in who is faster.

Yah I agreed with the HP differences in my first post, by stating them and comparing them. And yes, if someone wants to give me a B18C1 or a B16A, I'de take the B18C1. I guess my point to the kid was to shoot, off the bat, for ease of installation (OBD0 B16A) and price (OBD0 B16A is the cheapest).

I also agree that if he's going turbo, just save the money and turbo the B18A. My friend is currently running a B18A turbo (moderately built) in a 5th gen Civic hatch and it's sick! Plus I've driven N/A B18As for years in my tegs so I know what they were like

Thanks for your points though. It's nice to get other poeples opinions. None of this was ever meant to argue! Like I said, it's good to hear reasons and thoughts other poeple have.

-- Kevin

 

yeah man.......no argument......just debate, which imo is not bad at all.

sorry, thought you had a 92 RS (don't know where I got that from), but I love RS tegs.....who needs a moonroof

let's see what he does.....I've posted to these kind of threads, and have read many more, never to see the results......hope he does something and updates the thread