<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by PatrickGSR94 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">you used nitrous oxide while on an autox course?!?!?! </TD></TR></TABLE>

Lol, you would be surprised.

I was running with a different autox group that I normally go to a few weeks ago that had a lot of different cars, including one guy in an SVT Focus that had nitrous. At the end of the day they do timed fun runs and he tried a few with the nitrous. I think he made 4 attempts and was consistently 1-2 seconds slower than without it. This was also on a course that started out with an 1/8th mile *straight*, and not a slalom in sight. It was like a mini road course in a big parking lot. Weird. If it would have helped on any course it would have been that one, especially with the straight.

That's never stopped people from trying though, some folks gotta learn for themselves.

 

Built LS/VTEC turbo

 

how did you only run a 13.8 with a 280 whp gsr?

 

yeah i know there are a lot of lsvtec questions every single day.

my question is how much (tuned) whp can i expect out of 3000 dolla worth of stuff?

I know a turbo b18b will usually net around 200+ on stock bottom end.

Of course i would rather have n/a power for no lag... well neverending lag... however you want to think about it.

 

don't sell ur teg to buy a type r thats insane u can just buy the ITR suspension.

LS/VTEC is a great idea but yes the turbo lag would be a deciding factor as to weither or not it's worth it. Supechargers have much better low end torque since u will not be in high revs for long periods of time on a road race.

 

maybe i need to take more driving courses, but the people i have talked to said to stay in high rpm during race so that you can stay in the better part of your power band.

O yeah. I am keeping my teggy ls. I like it soooo much!!!!!1one1!!

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by B18C_YA &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">don't sell ur teg to buy a type r thats insane u can just buy the ITR suspension.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Even if you buy as much ITR suspension parts and swap them over to a GS-R/LS/GS/RS/SE, it still won't be as good as an ITR. Plus, the ITR's tranny has LSD and a different final drive.

The Type-R's front sway bar is a ball-joint type unlike the GS-R. The rear sway bar is 22mm unlike the 14mm sway bar equipped on the GS-R (but this part can be swapped over from the ITR). The Type-R has larger upper pillars and a thicker roof rails. The rear wheelhouse and arch extension have been made thicker and stronger to increase overall stiffness in the rear and help reduce understeer. Some Type-R's have no sunroof for a more rigid roof. Type-R's weigh less than GS-R's. ITR's don't have as much road noise dampening material as GS-R's. ITR's have thicker & better designed rear lower control arms. ITR's have extra welds for chassis stiffening. There is an aluminum bar at the rear of the trunk to help minimize chassis flex (this will take some drilling to be swapped onto a GSR). There are many other ITR suspension parts that can be swapped over too.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by PatrickGSR94 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">you used nitrous oxide while on an autox course?!?!?! </TD></TR></TABLE>Yes, only way I can keep up with the corvettes, without it my teg is about 150 HP ,[like I said 1.8 LS bone stock inside] most of the time saved is on the shift down shift up,[ half as many with nitrous] I use the nitrous to pull me out of the apex, only on at full peddle to the metal and over 4600 RPM , and that makes me faster then all but two vettes , and faster then 3 5.0s and 4 other 4 bangers, 2 tegs ,[ a 94 1.8 LS turbo and a 93 2L supercharged] 2 civics, [ one is a turbo and the other has one hell of a driver as he does not have to run outlaw N/A ] a nissan sentra,[ with v6 swap] an Alfa, [with a 6 and 3 webber carbs.
Without the nitrous I am slower then the N/A civic.
Its how you use the nitrous tha makes you fast, just like a turbo, we get a guy with a turbo Miata that comes out 2 or 3 times a year,[just for fun] he races in the GT class race cars,[not street legel] even though he is, and he kicks ***,so anyony that says turbos are no good for autocross or road coarce is nuts. 94

 

Go to a driver's instruction school. Why isn't that on the poll?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Xymox007 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Go to a driver's instruction school. Why isn't that on the poll?</TD></TR></TABLE>

things i can do to my car... driver school is a definate. no need to take a poll about that.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by fcm &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Yes, only way I can keep up with the corvettes, without it my teg is about 150 HP ,[like I said 1.8 LS bone stock inside] most of the time saved is on the shift down shift up,[ half as many with nitrous] I use the nitrous to pull me out of the apex, only on at full peddle to the metal and over 4600 RPM , and that makes me faster then all but two vettes , and faster then 3 5.0s and 4 other 4 bangers, 2 tegs ,[ a 94 1.8 LS turbo and a 93 2L supercharged] 2 civics, [ one is a turbo and the other has one hell of a driver as he does not have to run outlaw N/A ] a nissan sentra,[ with v6 swap] an Alfa, [with a 6 and 3 webber carbs.
Without the nitrous I am slower then the N/A civic.
Its how you use the nitrous tha makes you fast, just like a turbo, we get a guy with a turbo Miata that comes out 2 or 3 times a year,[just for fun] he races in the GT class race cars,[not street legel] even though he is, and he kicks ***,so anyony that says turbos are no good for autocross or road coarce is nuts. 94
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wooooooooow.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by fcm &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Yes, only way I can keep up with the corvettes, without it my teg is about 150 HP ,[like I said 1.8 LS bone stock inside] most of the time saved is on the shift down shift up,[ half as many with nitrous] I use the nitrous to pull me out of the apex, only on at full peddle to the metal and over 4600 RPM , and that makes me faster then all but two vettes , and faster then 3 5.0s and 4 other 4 bangers, 2 tegs ,[ a 94 1.8 LS turbo and a 93 2L supercharged] 2 civics, [ one is a turbo and the other has one hell of a driver as he does not have to run outlaw N/A ] a nissan sentra,[ with v6 swap] an Alfa, [with a 6 and 3 webber carbs.
Without the nitrous I am slower then the N/A civic.
Its how you use the nitrous tha makes you fast, just like a turbo, we get a guy with a turbo Miata that comes out 2 or 3 times a year,[just for fun] he races in the GT class race cars,[not street legel] even though he is, and he kicks ***,so anyony that says turbos are no good for autocross or road coarce is nuts. 94
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x 50.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Xymox007 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

x 50. </TD></TR></TABLE> my thoughts exactly. wish i lived in initial D world too....

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by wlee2 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">theres alot of touge showdowns that will show you the differences in NA and turbo. turbo going around a corner usually hit turbo lag as you usually are braking entering the corner so no exhaust to spool the turbo. other factors are weight of the car turbo cars are generally heavier so harder to brake into corners and slower to accelerate out.
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umm alot of us downshift when we take corners that way our turbos stay spooled up

 

thats what i was wondering about.

if you keep your turbo spooled up and stay in powerband, then will you truly suffer from turbo lag?

i am not interested in auto-x. I like touge. Twisty roads. The illegal stuff. Dont confuse this for anything else.

Is there any traction problems with turbo?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by PatrickGSR94 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">At most events I've been to, Miatas are in the top notches over almost everything, incl. Type R's, Corvettes, S2000's, you name it. Having a Type R won't make you fast. Experience driving a car, any car, will make you fast.</TD></TR></TABLE>

you are so right... those miata's really do tear up the auto-X, i was quite impressed with car's and driver's skill equally, they are fun to watch as well

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Kyoushu &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">thats what i was wondering about.

if you keep your turbo spooled up and stay in powerband, then will you truly suffer from turbo lag?

i am not interested in auto-x. I like touge. Twisty roads. The illegal stuff. Dont confuse this for anything else.

Is there any traction problems with turbo?</TD></TR></TABLE>

No you won't suffer from lag, but all that extra power throws off the balance of the car when you're autocrossing, or "touge." BTW, auto-x is just like running down twisty roads, except the turns are even sharper. I don't know why you wouldn't like it.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Kyoushu &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">thats what i was wondering about.

if you keep your turbo spooled up and stay in powerband, then will you truly suffer from turbo lag?

i am not interested in auto-x. I like touge. Twisty roads. The illegal stuff. Dont confuse this for anything else.

Is there any traction problems with turbo?</TD></TR></TABLE>

I'd say, a GSR tranny on your LS/Turbo and u'd be all set for some twisties...
Here in AZ, most of the twisties I encounter require me to sit at the top of 2nd gear or bottom of 3rd, hence a dead spot. With a closer geared tranny though, i'd be all set for the 40-50mph twisties.

 

it has been said that turbochargers make a FWD even more nose-heavy. unless you had a quick spooling setup, it might be more effective for you to go LS VTEC if you want to do real twisty roads.

unless you are talking about a winding road with some turns here and there. in that case, go turbo!

 

Obviously, the first modification you want to do to your car in order to take the "twisties" is going to have to be your suspension set up. Go to the autox forum and check with those guys, they know their stuff, and its actually been really helpful for myself, who is interested in working up my suspension.

Of course, driver school is gonna help too, like people have been saying.

And I still think that other model integra's (non-R's) that are modified (mainly suspension) can keep up with a Type R, its more subjective to the driver. Check out the pro's that testdrive the stock vehicles on an autox course. Insane. I couldn't come close to doing what they could do.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jason bouchard &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ALL MOTOR </TD></TR></TABLE>