going in straight lines is fine, but twisties is a lot more fun imo. Not enough money for ls/vtec turbo. What is faster around corners?

I hear a lot about turbo hondas not being able to road race and stuff. I have a budget of around 3k. Let me know what you think is a better setup for road racing.

Stats:
Stock 3g LS integra (b18b)


thanks a lot.

 

NA or supercharger is best

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by njandrewg &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">NA or supercharger is best</TD></TR></TABLE>

yep. small turbos work good to. But overheating is a big consideration.

-Aaron

 

theres alot of touge showdowns that will show you the differences in NA and turbo. turbo going around a corner usually hit turbo lag as you usually are braking entering the corner so no exhaust to spool the turbo. other factors are weight of the car turbo cars are generally heavier so harder to brake into corners and slower to accelerate out.

NA have their lightness about them, occasionally in light turns they go in full pelt without brakes.

Watch the Best motoring DVD with the episode NA VS turbo. the toyota MRs stays up the front untill he gets cocky and lets the turbo car past to show the viewers the difference in turbo and NA given 5 more laps though he might have overtook again but well ahem.. watch it. it was sweet

 

Tell you the truth though i like NA cars . if you keep the light and a decent powerplant you can go sweeping around corners like you were Keiichi Tsuchiya

 

ha. i am going to look more into this whole... ls/vtec thing then.

 

dont get me wrong turbos are nice.. and sweeping around corners fast is not really something i would recomend =P. but your question was which is faster around corners well i still think NA faster around corners turbos usually accelerate fast on the straights.. the only real exception is Superchargers.. (whichs is what im looking at)

 

Ohh yeh and i failed to mentions these guys are professionals.. if your new to it i dont think this NA vs turbo thing will not work the person running the turbo is going to own you sorry to say =P. its harder to overcome the fear of speed around a corner its easier to do fast speeds on a straight

 

Cornering fast isn't always about power, suspension plays a huge roll.

If you seriously wanna go fast in the twisties, then I recommend selling your teg and save up for a Type-R. They out-handle GS-R's, LS/GS/RS/SE's out of the box.

Whenever I'm at an Auto-X event, I always see Type-R's running faster times than modded GS-R's.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Calsonic180 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Cornering fast isn't always about power, suspension plays a huge roll.

If you seriously wanna go fast in the twisties, then I recommend selling your teg and save up for a Type-R. They out-handle GS-R's, LS/GS/RS/SE's out of the box.

Whenever I'm at an Auto-X event, I always see Type-R's running faster times than modded GS-R's.</TD></TR></TABLE>I see slightly modded crx's running faster times than R's. Its all in the driver of course. You should build the suspension first and learn how to drive before touching the motor. But if it was me, I'd stick with NA. BOVs are annoying.

 

i thought i was the only one that though bov's are annoying

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by wlee2 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">other factors are weight of the car turbo cars are generally heavier so harder to brake into corners and slower to accelerate out.
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how exactly are turbo cars heavier enough to make a difference in the car's performance around a track? Other than the weight of the turbo and intercooler themselves (not much), I really don't think there's anything that would make a turbo car significantly heavier than its N/A counterpart.

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At most events I've been to, Miatas are in the top notches over almost everything, incl. Type R's, Corvettes, S2000's, you name it. Having a Type R won't make you fast. Experience driving a car, any car, will make you fast.

 

Neither is faster, you are not a good enough driver to make a difference.

Go to driving school and/or autox your car.

 

ALL MOTOR

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by rapid_roy &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Neither is faster, you are not a good enough driver to make a difference.

Go to driving school and/or autox your car.</TD></TR></TABLE> lol. Thats always a good place to start.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by rapid_roy &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Neither is faster, you are not a good enough driver to make a difference.

Go to driving school and/or autox your car.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Driving schools are the best "mod" money can buy.

 

as for the type r thing... insurance would be a total biatch.

Ive already insvested around a grand in suspension stuff, so after the type r rear sway, ill probably start looking at upping the power.

looks like a lot of people are voting built ls/vtec.

Is the only problem with turbo the turbo lag?

If that is it, would staying in boost (like you are supposed to) fix that problem?

sorry for all the dumb questions, i am trying to evolve from just standard rice-boy.

 

you need to worry about more of suspension than engine power with twisties.....look into better suspension

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by KaBlammyman &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Driving schools are the best "mod" money can buy.</TD></TR></TABLE> Dito that. I autocross my 94 teg LS and other then big air in and and out MSD ign. the motor is stock,[the head has never been off] all my $ have gone into drivetrain and suspention GSR trany w/LSD, coilovers, adj. shocks, antisways, and yok. O32Rs.
I run in the outlaw class ,[ street legal, tire treadwear of 99 or less, any motor with 6 or more cylinders or not N/A] my HP comes from a 75 shot of nitrous oxide from a ZEX system. All of that allowed me to run about 1 or 2 sec. faster then when the teg was dead stock, and all that did was move me from top 5 in stock class to last in outlaw class and way back overall 38th so I paid the $500 and went to driving school. Well, like me, anyone who thinks they know how to drive,and driving school isn't worth it, last year, [in the same car with another 2000k on it, also my winter car] I placed 3rd in outlaw and 10th overall only two corvettes were faster in outlaw class and all the GT and GTS [ full race cars] so I spent about $5000 to go 2 sec. faster and for $500 I shave almost 3 sec. off that, and 3 sec. in a 1 min. race is HUGE.
So Kyoushu, you want to know whats better, spend $500 of that 3k on driving school, you will damn near **** your pants in the diff. it makes, [ and how much you didn't know about driving fast] 94

 

For those of you that say turbo hondas can't road race, check out this thread/vid https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1011304

Anyway for your question, if you think your suspension is good enough, then definatly look into a driving school or you could look into a small turbo that will spool fast enough. That's what I'll probably do down the road.

 

you used nitrous oxide while on an autox course?!?!?!

 

TURBO. If you sit down and did all the math, with a proper turbo setup you could achieve the power band you wanted.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by B16A3 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I see slightly modded crx's running faster times than R's. Its all in the driver of course. You should build the suspension first and learn how to drive before touching the motor. But if it was me, I'd stick with NA. BOVs are annoying.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I was strictly comparing Integras... not other cars.

 

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Again, I was strictly refering to Integras models only. I was not involving other cars.

 

oooooo... i turn 18 soon. driving school is top on the list.