how come the spoon and the carbing tower bars are connecting to the coils but the stock GSR and Type-R one is connecting to the side of the coils?

Sorry i don't know how to call the thing.... what i mean is they mount to the difference place...

whats the differences? Carbing, Spoon, Stock and mugen are all different...

 

I know what you mean..

I dunno. there are 2 schools of thought..

One is stiffen up the shock towers directly to fight Shock (suspension) flex..

and one is to stiffen up the chassis....

 

yeah... and i couldn't install both of the bars....
someone told me that if install the shocks tower one, the car will be more able to turn good in high speed corners, the chasis one will be better for sharp corners

don't know if it's true or not...

 

On my GSR I had both, but I had to make adjustments. and I dont have time to type all that out right now.. sorry..

Pick one and go with it... I doubt it will add anthing noticible.

(I say keep the stock one, if its there already)

 

oh alright...
anyway i want to get the Carbing F and R Tower bar and low arm bar

but dunno how to get them in Australia
so ****.....

 

Here's my thinking:

Most chassis flex comes during hard cornering. Looking at a double-wishbone suspension, which parts take the most direct cornering forces? The upper and lower control arms and the spindle. The shocks don't really take too much lateral forces, at least not directly like Mac struts do (ever notice how much bigger and heavier a Mac strut is?).

So, why not brace the parts that take the most direct forces. My thinking is that a bar that braces the upper control arm mounting bolts should be the most effective, like the Neuspeed 4-point bar. Now whether or not this bar is actually the most effective, I don't know, but to me it looks like it should be. All other bars are just bracing the chassis which could flex because of forces directed to it through the upper control arm bolts.


[Modified by PatrickGSR94, 9:11 AM 6/19/2002]

 

you mean the bolts where the GSR stock bar mount is the Upper control arm bolt?

 

But the UCA bolts are fairly close to the shock tower bolts, moreso than the upper pair of studs.


[Modified by sackdz, 11:38 AM 6/19/2002]

 

Here's my car for a visual aid



Yes I have a broken stud





[Modified by sackdz, 11:40 AM 6/19/2002]

 

No, take a look at the pic below...this is the neuspeed bar, note where it mounts...on the upper control arm bolts as PatrickGSR94 stated.

The stock gsr tower bar mounts differently.

 

to fubar:
can't really see where does it mount man

 

ken shin
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he'll take care of you. tell him hsien sent u

 

Hey Sackdz, where did you get that tower bar? How much???

 

Guys... in ALL honestly, if you're just driving this as a daily driver you don't even need a strut tower bar...

Why you may ask?

The car doesn't flex THAT much that this bar will help... more importantly, street tires don't have the level of adhesion to cause this level of flex.

Now... if you're autoxing, road racing, etc... with a nice set of 'R' compounds... thus needing to eliminate all chassis flex. Then lets talk about strut bars, tie-bars, etc...

Otherwise... if you're just a street cruiser, and you're adding all the bars... I'll call it rice!

 

which brand is this?

 

I'd have to disagree with you on that...my car has the stock suspension, except for some Dunlop SP5000 205/50/15 tires...I have a GS, so it did not have a bar on it, and the difference after I put on the Neuspeed bar is very noticeable, even taking your average turns on the street...the bar provides a better steering response, a sharper turn in...overall, the steering feels more precise. What is that worth to someone? I dunno, but I would not dismiss buying the front upper tie bar, unless you already have one.

 

if i remember correctly he got that one for free i believe is one of two prototypes....
i wish i could get my hands on one of those bars..........

 

go here dude
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=192939

 

Yes but still, bracing the bolts that take the most direct lateral cornering forces *should* be the most effective.

 

The upper control arm and the side of the frame are what absorbs the lateral forces extered by the tires friction, on a independent suspension such as our Integras. Like PatrickGSR said, MacPhearson strut cars exert the lateral forces mostly through the shock/spring, and hence to the shock tower sheetmetal.

Here's a good thread on it https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=206943. Notice that many still claim that a strut bar has some use solely as a chassis stiffener.

For the new RSX guys with McPhearson strut front suspensions. Go to this site to explain the importance of a strut bar with your suspension design here.

 

I always get confused when I think about mounting points for the strut tower bar. The shock, the shock tower, or the UCA. Then I think about aftermarket performance. Who is the leader? Most everyone would say Mugen. The Mugen bars (2nd generation) go to the shock tower. Is this the best? I don't know, but since Mugen thinks its the best, that causes me to have a good opinion of that mounting style... I just don't know... For the record, have a Comptech bar which mounts to the shock towers...

 

Bring your car over here... you must have an ODDLY flexible car from the factory... Checked all your weld points lately? Might need regreasing...

 

User 'Dee' on this board sent the bar to me from the promise land of Japan. I was the test subject to see if it would fit on an LHD car (it's made for RHD). THe bar fits, but does take some modification and it blocks access to the master cylinder reservoir. For lots of detailed information and more pics please go here:

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=190766

 

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Bring your car over here... you must have an ODDLY flexible car from the factory... Checked all your weld points lately? Might need regreasing...[/QUOTE]

And they put a factory front strut bar on because why???