You will find out that this is a very UN-Nitrous oxide site!!! Nothing wrong with nitrous, it's cheap it's fairly easy and it's a blast!!!! I've had it on a sohc motor, a B16 and I'm gonna run a 75 shot on my GSR. Nothing wrong with a turbo ( I like em) but I just like the Idea of nitrous!!!

 

Yeah... I wish it wasn't the "cool" thing these days to have exhaust driven turbines. Then maybe more people would be enlightened as to what the more efficient of the power adders is....

But hey, at least for your $1500+++ you get really nifty sounds from your engine bay!

 

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I'll be the first to say screw the turbo, screw saving up your money, and just get the nitrous kit.

I have owned three turboed Hondas, all three of the kits I put together myself. A decent kit is going to run you about $1300-1500 if you don't skimp out on anything, which you shouldn't do anyways. Now you'll have your turbo and you'll be boosting 6-7 lbs which will net you about 65 HP and ~40 Lb/Ft. Also you'll notice your gas gauge going down rapidly since your a turbo noob (a fact, not an offense)...

Now, if you instead opt for, say a 75 wet kit, which you can get just about anywhere for arou $500, you'll be getting 75HP and ~70 Lb/Ft as well.... Everyone knows a 100 shot nitrous car will absolutely rip a 10 psi turbo car a new ******* (this is assuming the cars are the same chassis, same engine, blah, blah, blah...) Also, you won't be wasting nearly as much gasoline, 'cuz you won't be in positive pressure land all the time. $40-$50 dollars a pop seems like a lot, but really it's not. Considering the turbo kit cost you $1000 more than the nitrous kit, that's worth about 20 bottles, which should last you years, unless you are just a spastic nitrous user.

So, spend $1500 and get less power and shitty gas mileage, or spend ~$500 and have more power, no need to mess with hours and hours of tuning along with the rest of the troubles that come with turboed Hondas, and save a little gas...</TD></TR></TABLE>

I have to agree with him....

 

Yeah... I wish it wasn't the "cool" thing these days to have exhaust driven turbines. Then maybe more people would be enlightened as to what the more efficient of the power adders is....
But hey, at least for your $1500+++ you get really nifty sounds from your engine bay!

If you are talking about efficiency of power adders the turbo IS more efficient than a nitrous system. I also like nitrous better than the whole turbo thing going around. But when you are talking about power adders the turbo is definately more efficient. The best way I can explain it is... What goes into your engine is air and fuel and Here's a breakdown of what you get out of your engine 1/3 of what comes out of you engine goes to your cooling system, another 1/3 goes to your exhaust system, and the last 1/3 is pretty much power. This is how my teacher explained this to me, just trying to help not trying to be a dick. This might be a little confusing at first. So by using a turbo, that is run off of exhaust gasses, you are clearly using that extra 1/3 that goes into the exhaust stream. Along with the 1/3 with the power that comes out of the engine. So basically you are using the exhaust gasses to create more power where as nitrous you are just adding n2o to the air charge to make it cooler. Then you have superchargers that are belt driven and pretty much suck, unless you like the constant power idea. Like I said I'm not trying to be an *** I just thought I'd share some info with everyone.

 

Dude, just because you attempt refute someone doesn't make you an ***. I love it when someone on here makes an intelligent arguement against me, as opposed to just quoting me, ignorantly giving me a , and saying "turbo", and nothing else. You gave a good arguement and backed it up. Nothing wrong with that.

So props...

Now, that being said...

I definitely agree with you here... I should not have used the word "efficient". Turbos are beautiful in that they utilize would-be wasted exhaust fumes to create power, and lots of it. So, they are definitely VERY efficient. Bad word choice on my part. Thanks for correcting me.

I'm going to have to dissagree with you here.

YES, the N2O does make the intake air charge a LOT cooler, which does create significant gains. But that's maybe... 20% of the power that the nitrous adds. The rest of the power comes from the oxygen molecules that it sends rushing into your cylinders. Nitrous is "N2O", and once it enters the combustion chamber and breaks down you have LOTS of lonely little oxygen molecules that have nothing better to do with their time than contribute to the combustion in the cylinders.

Now, earlier, when I said that nitrous was more efficient, what I was banking on was the fact that the actual substance sprayed into your intake makes power very efficiently by adding lots of raw oxygen and creating minimal waste... all that's left over after the N2O breaks apart is two parts Nitrogen, and any user on here with at least a sixth grade education should know that that's ok because the majority of our atmosphere is nitrogen anyways, and it's completely harmless to us.

Ok, so why is a turbo inefficient in the way that it makes power? (In relation to whats shoved through the intake, not how what's shoved through the intake is produced... does that make sense? ) A turbo is inefficient compared to the nitrous because it shoves "x" psi of air into your manifold to get what oxygen it can. And let me explain for the less fortunates, AIR and OXYGEN are not the same damn thing!!!!!!!!! Oxygen is IN air, but a LARGE portion of air is NOT oxygen. The oxygen is only a very small percentage of air. So our turbo is compressing this shitload of air and ramming it into our engine. Not only do we get a much smaller amount of oxygen, than say, if we used nitrous ,but we are also creating LOTS of pressure inside the engine with all the excess crap that the turbo shoots in there to weild a very small amount of oxygen. This is why nitrous users get to spray even with high compression... it's not because "Nitrous loves high compression" , (BTW, this is another thing that is apparently cool right now... To say, "Nitrous loves high compression!". If you've ever said this, please locate a large blunt object and beat yourself over the head with it until you die. Thanks.) but because it doesn't have the dissadvantage of rediculously high cylinder pressure. Turbos and superchargers love high compression too, it's just that most of us street tuners don't have the means or fuel to support such high compression and 15 psi.

So, because it adds oxygen in a rawer form, and doesn't create adverse cylinder pressures, nitrous is, in a sense, more efficient.

 

Wait a minute, that guy has only one post..... OH MY GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! He's a fu**ing nOOb!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Good info guys!

 

There is a down side to nitrous that wasn't said though. Because of it's high oxygen content(N2O in itself is not flamable). But when compressed it becomes very explosive. And burns very hot. Which can cause detonation. Those are 2 problems that are easily remedied though.
I like the idea of running around stock like and having a button to push that adds hp. I've had them all and I like nitrous the best.
Besides take a nitrous run before you go smog your car and it will run cleaner. It cleans out the cylinders and head, and also heats the cat up, making it more efficient. That's always a good thing .

 

The nitrogen in the mix, and the extra fuel added helps carry off heat, plus using a colder plug helps out

 

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Something I forgot to point out... thanks!

 

and also.... well, in my old nitrous setup my main concern was detonation. before you even think about nitrous, you have to understand detonation, and how to remedy it.

Simply put, I ran colder plugs (2 stages colder, to be exact), and also retarded my timing 3 degrees (75 shot dry)....

To have an even more efficient nitrous setup, I would recommend using a wet kit, if you're not too sure of the difference, look it up, there is ton's of info between honda-tech, team-integra, and G2IC.

Take the extra time and effort to prevent detonation, and you will run good forever.

 

Holy **** you've been on here only 8 months, that doesn't make you a veteran.

 

LOL!!!

I was just kidding dude. It was sarcasm. I was making fun of some of the members on here who immediately disregard the response of anybody with under 2,398,570,293,875 posts (like post count means any thing... bump, bump, bump...).

As a matter of fact, your response was more intelligent than most user's with 2,398,570,293,875 posts would be...

No offense to you, bro.

 

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I was just kidding dude. It was sarcasm. I was making fun of some of the members on here who immediately disregard the response of anybody with under <U>2,398,570,293,875?</U> posts (like post count means any thing... bump, bump, bump...).

No offense to you, bro. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Only 2,398,570,293,875??? I swore I thought it was higher than that.

 

Sorry if I was rude. I do like the info. you provided about the nitrous.

 

It's cool. Sometimes I get a little carried away with my sarcasm.

Beware, however, because there are lots of users on here who really will rate the significance of your input by your join date and post count. Just something you have to learn to deal with. It's by far worth it for the wealth of knowledge on this site. Just remember to always search before you post. I've come to this site looking for info at least 1,000 times, but I've only had to post maybe 10 questions.