couple Qs about euro r h22 manifold
12-24-2004, 07:06 AM
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couple Qs about euro r h22 manifold
i can't seem to get a reply from se93 who used to sell that adaptor kit for the iacv and fuel rail. does anyone know who else sells that kit or is it exclusively his own? also how can i get a euro r throttle cable bracket? i want it to look like a clean install 
12-24-2004, 08:18 PM
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Re: couple Qs about euro r h22 manifold (se93)
good stuff Se93 
now who sells the throttle cable bracket? i know you can modify the stock one but, meh.
now who sells the throttle cable bracket? i know you can modify the stock one but, meh.
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Re: couple Qs about euro r h22 manifold (turbogixxer)
i didn't find anything in that thread that talks about the bracket.. but i did notice he custom fabbed his own. looks like it might fall apart imo. i found out that inlinefour.com can custom order the bracket cheap in case anyone else wanted to know.
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Re: couple Qs about euro r h22 manifold (oNeMoBB1)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by oNeMoBB1 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i didn't find anything in that thread that talks about the bracket.. but i did notice he custom fabbed his own. looks like it might fall apart imo. i found out that inlinefour.com can custom order the bracket cheap in case anyone else wanted to know.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Ha! You fool. Screw you says me three months after install.
If you had any *****, you'd be fabbing your own right now!
Ha! You fool. Screw you says me three months after install.
If you had any *****, you'd be fabbing your own right now!
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Re: couple Qs about euro r h22 manifold (oNeMoBB1)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by oNeMoBB1 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">wuttever man.. i'd rather my install look as clean as possible. to each his own </TD></TR></TABLE>
MY install was as clean and thought out as it gets, I'm sorry for not having $30,000 dollar machines to do the fabbing for some of the parts, but there is no way anything that has to do with that IM is any less than 100% reliable. I built it for my daily and it wouldn't be worth it for the 3-4whp gain and less reliability.
Edit::By the way, I just checked that thread b/c I haven't looked at it in a couple of months, but there isn't a single pic in there that less you see any of the brackets that I fabbed.
</TD></TR></TABLE>MY install was as clean and thought out as it gets, I'm sorry for not having $30,000 dollar machines to do the fabbing for some of the parts, but there is no way anything that has to do with that IM is any less than 100% reliable. I built it for my daily and it wouldn't be worth it for the 3-4whp gain and less reliability.
Edit::By the way, I just checked that thread b/c I haven't looked at it in a couple of months, but there isn't a single pic in there that less you see any of the brackets that I fabbed.
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Re: couple Qs about euro r h22 manifold (DarkKnight[DMD])
thats fine i'm not hating.. i'm just saying i'd rather buy everything small for that manifold that i can afford rather than fabbing my own stuff--just for extra peace of mind. Theres several ways you can approach the install and i'm giving it a 2-3 week period for preparation and waiting for the extra parts to arrive.
I picked up the manifold new for $225 from Steve at Hmotors last week, and right now it's at a machine shop owned by a friend of ours to do the porting around the fuel injectors w/ my stock gasket, and carving the arches. I have the fuel rail/iacv/egr adaptor kit made by se93 on the way and the cable bracket as well so i can elimintate most of the custom fabbing that most people don't to deal with. Next, i'm taking off my throttle body in a week or so to get those holes welded like you mentioned in your thread The only custom work i'll need to do is filling in the extra holes and what not on the manifold. Then i should be able to install it pretty quickly. For under $500 this is probably the longest and most $$ route, but it lets me use my prelude while most of the preparation and parts are on the way 
Edit: I'll take pics of the kit made by se93 once i recieve it. I doubt it's worth $100 in parts, but it's more of paying for ease of installation.
Modified by oNeMoBB1 at 9:01 PM 12/28/2004
I picked up the manifold new for $225 from Steve at Hmotors last week, and right now it's at a machine shop owned by a friend of ours to do the porting around the fuel injectors w/ my stock gasket, and carving the arches. I have the fuel rail/iacv/egr adaptor kit made by se93 on the way and the cable bracket as well so i can elimintate most of the custom fabbing that most people don't to deal with. Next, i'm taking off my throttle body in a week or so to get those holes welded like you mentioned in your thread
The only custom work i'll need to do is filling in the extra holes and what not on the manifold. Then i should be able to install it pretty quickly. For under $500 this is probably the longest and most $$ route, but it lets me use my prelude while most of the preparation and parts are on the way Edit: I'll take pics of the kit made by se93 once i recieve it. I doubt it's worth $100 in parts, but it's more of paying for ease of installation.
Modified by oNeMoBB1 at 9:01 PM 12/28/2004
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Re: couple Qs about euro r h22 manifold (oNeMoBB1)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by oNeMoBB1 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">thats fine i'm not hating.. i'm just saying i'd rather buy everything small for that manifold that i can afford rather than fabbing my own stuff--just for extra peace of mind. Theres several ways you can approach the install and i'm giving it a 2-3 week period for preparation and waiting for the extra parts to arrive.
I picked up the manifold new for $225 from Steve at Hmotors last week, and right now it's at a machine shop owned by a friend of ours to do the porting around the fuel injectors w/ my stock gasket, and carving the arches. I have the fuel rail/iacv/egr adaptor kit made by se93 on the way and the cable bracket as well so i can elimintate most of the custom fabbing that most people don't to deal with. Next, i'm taking off my throttle body in a week or so to get those holes welded like you mentioned in your thread The only custom work i'll need to do is filling in the extra holes and what not on the manifold. Then i should be able to install it pretty quickly. For under $500 this is probably the longest and most $$ route, but it lets me use my prelude while most of the preparation and parts are on the way
Edit: I'll take pics of the kit made by se93 once i recieve it. I doubt it's worth $100 in parts, but it's more of paying for ease of installation.
Modified by oNeMoBB1 at 9:01 PM 12/28/2004</TD></TR></TABLE>
Also, I did the porting around the fuel injectors like in 2.6's write up, but once I was done I also tested the injectors in place (to make sure I had ported enough). Well the thing is, it wasn't even close. In fact, it was so far away from hitting any portion I'd be surprised if any porting was necessary at all.
I picked up the manifold new for $225 from Steve at Hmotors last week, and right now it's at a machine shop owned by a friend of ours to do the porting around the fuel injectors w/ my stock gasket, and carving the arches. I have the fuel rail/iacv/egr adaptor kit made by se93 on the way and the cable bracket as well so i can elimintate most of the custom fabbing that most people don't to deal with. Next, i'm taking off my throttle body in a week or so to get those holes welded like you mentioned in your thread
The only custom work i'll need to do is filling in the extra holes and what not on the manifold. Then i should be able to install it pretty quickly. For under $500 this is probably the longest and most $$ route, but it lets me use my prelude while most of the preparation and parts are on the way Edit: I'll take pics of the kit made by se93 once i recieve it. I doubt it's worth $100 in parts, but it's more of paying for ease of installation.
Modified by oNeMoBB1 at 9:01 PM 12/28/2004</TD></TR></TABLE>
Also, I did the porting around the fuel injectors like in 2.6's write up, but once I was done I also tested the injectors in place (to make sure I had ported enough). Well the thing is, it wasn't even close. In fact, it was so far away from hitting any portion I'd be surprised if any porting was necessary at all.
12-29-2004, 08:11 AM
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Re: couple Qs about euro r h22 manifold (DarkKnight[DMD])
ah damn foreals?.. if you were 100% sure i would go get it back from the machine shop right now. i think i'll call the guy and tell him not to get too drill happy.
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Re: couple Qs about euro r h22 manifold (oNeMoBB1)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by oNeMoBB1 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ah damn foreals?.. if you were 100% sure i would go get it back from the machine shop right now. i think i'll call the guy and tell him not to get too drill happy.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Yea, I would tell you to test it just to be positive ( I am the only one I know of that actually tested to see if it would hit) but at least with my injectors (stock jdm h22) the spray was much further away from the injector areas.
What I would suggest is to test it first, then if it looks close, dremel a little bit away and test it again.
Yea, I would tell you to test it just to be positive ( I am the only one I know of that actually tested to see if it would hit) but at least with my injectors (stock jdm h22) the spray was much further away from the injector areas.
What I would suggest is to test it first, then if it looks close, dremel a little bit away and test it again.
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Re: couple Qs about euro r h22 manifold (DarkKnight1)
is it absolutely necessarry to weld those ports on the t/b shut that pertain to the fast idle valve? the 99 odyssey t/b gasket covers those ports already (99% of them at least-i can JB weld that 1% shut). i guess its my lucky day too.. i measured my stock JDM H22a t/b and it's 65.5mm tapered to 64mm(IM side) 
01-09-2005, 01:03 PM
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Re: couple Qs about euro r h22 manifold (oNeMoBB1)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by oNeMoBB1 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">is it absolutely necessarry to weld those ports on the t/b shut that pertain to the fast idle valve?\ </TD></TR></TABLE>
Yes, you can try to JBweld it, but it is not worth it. The welding will cost you max of $40, that is max.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by oNeMoBB1 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the 99 odyssey t/b gasket covers those ports already</TD></TR></TABLE>
No, it does not. Remember, on a stock h22a manifold, the throttle plate is longer to allow the for the Fast Idle Valve. If you do not weld it, it will rev straight to 5k.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mrlover »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">why not just go for skunk2 IM make more hp </TD></TR></TABLE>
You dyno them back to back on the same day on a stock motor? If not, stop spreading misleading info.
Yes, you can try to JBweld it, but it is not worth it. The welding will cost you max of $40, that is max.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by oNeMoBB1 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the 99 odyssey t/b gasket covers those ports already</TD></TR></TABLE>
No, it does not. Remember, on a stock h22a manifold, the throttle plate is longer to allow the for the Fast Idle Valve. If you do not weld it, it will rev straight to 5k.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mrlover »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">why not just go for skunk2 IM make more hp </TD></TR></TABLE>
You dyno them back to back on the same day on a stock motor? If not, stop spreading misleading info.
01-09-2005, 06:54 PM
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Re: couple Qs about euro r h22 manifold (turbogixxer)
the gasket covers every port on the surface.. i have a blockoff plate for the fast idle valve already. the air passages to the Fast idle valve are only exposed inside the T/B, so that's still a major problem?
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Re: couple Qs about euro r h22 manifold (oNeMoBB1)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by oNeMoBB1 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the air passages to the Fast idle valve are only exposed inside the T/B, so that's still a major problem? </TD></TR></TABLE>
Yes. A gasket does nothing if there is not two mating surfaces on both sides. Bolt the TB to the IM without gasket and Fast idle. Then feel the bottom of the TB where the two surfaces come together. You will feel the gap. Of course, you will only have to do this if you are uses a stock H22a TB.
</TD></TR></TABLE>Yes. A gasket does nothing if there is not two mating surfaces on both sides. Bolt the TB to the IM without gasket and Fast idle. Then feel the bottom of the TB where the two surfaces come together. You will feel the gap. Of course, you will only have to do this if you are uses a stock H22a TB.
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Re: couple Qs about euro r h22 manifold (oNeMoBB1)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by oNeMoBB1 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
the gasket covers every port on the surface.. i have a blockoff plate for the fast idle valve already. the air passages to the Fast idle valve are only exposed inside the T/B, so that's still a major problem? </TD></TR></TABLE>
I had to get custom plate made that goes between the T/B and the manifold, Even with the fast idle blocked off there was still Huge vacum leak 5k idle
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mrlover »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">why not just go for skunk2 IM make more hp and easier to install?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Is that proven?
the gasket covers every port on the surface.. i have a blockoff plate for the fast idle valve already. the air passages to the Fast idle valve are only exposed inside the T/B, so that's still a major problem?
</TD></TR></TABLE>I had to get custom plate made that goes between the T/B and the manifold, Even with the fast idle blocked off there was still Huge vacum leak 5k idle
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mrlover »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">why not just go for skunk2 IM make more hp and easier to install?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Is that proven?
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Re: couple Qs about euro r h22 manifold (md23vtec)
what do you know.. another question came up today during install. my new question is, what are you supposed to use to cushion the fuel injectors in the manifold? theres two sets of cushion rings on the stock manifold, but only one will fit on the EuroR.
01-11-2005, 06:08 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by oNeMoBB1 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">what do you know.. another question came up today during install. my new question is, what are you supposed to use cushion the fuel injectors in the manifold? theres two sets of cushion rings on the stock manifold, but only one will fit on the EuroR.</TD></TR></TABLE>
You mean the bottom rubber part for the injector? If yes, use the rubber part from the injector you are using.
You mean the bottom rubber part for the injector? If yes, use the rubber part from the injector you are using.
01-11-2005, 06:30 PM
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Re: couple Qs about euro r h22 manifold (turbogixxer)
it's not the cushion on the injector its the one on the manifold itself that the fuel injector sits on.. you know, instead of just having the injector sit on bare metal which probably isn't safe. do you just reuse the cushion rings from the stock manifold?
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by oNeMoBB1 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">you just reuse the cushion rings from the stock manifold?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Yes
Yes