WhiteOnRice

First off, I know this is a very common swap and I could probably find the info by searching but that would take a lot of time; which I don't have. I'm sure many of you have done this swap and it would help me a lot just to get all my questions answered in one thread.

This is just a winter car so I don't want to buy HASport Motor mounts or anything like that. I'd rather buy ESMM or fill the stock mounts with polyurethane if they work.

I obviously need a conversion harness but I don't know if I go from OBDII to OBDI or the other way around. I also don't know the year of the engine so I don't know if it's OBD2A or B. How can I find this? http://www.boomslang.us/obd2to1.htm

I have:
-both harnesses
-both ecu's
-d15 axles
-d15 mounts
-d15 linkage

What else do I need?
-94-01 Integra axles
-94-01 LS Rear motor mount bracket
-94-01 up/low radiator hoses
-CX top tranny mount
-94-01 exhaust manifold
-94-01 LS linkage


Paraphase: What do I need to swap an OBDII b18b1 into a 92 CX?


Modified by WhiteOnRice at 8:14 PM 10/8/2007

WhiteOnRice

Too much to read? lol


Bump

crazyguy

u will need b series 94 up integra axles..shihtlinkage..and u can reuse b series mounts.
make sure the engine comes in complete sensors, connectors...alternator...both manifolds...

WhiteOnRice

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by crazyguy &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">u will need b series 94 up integra axles..shihtlinkage..and u can reuse b series mounts.
make sure the engine comes in complete sensors, connectors...alternator...both manifolds...</TD></TR></TABLE>
I have had the engine for 3 months now. I have all sensors. No b-series mounts. Will the d-series work? So use the b18b1 axles, shift linkage and manifold? (I don't have any of those parts)

I updated the first post. Thanks

daluv

Check the FAQ's at the top of the first page of the 92-00 civic forum. There is a section dedicated to motor swaps for our cars and will give you a list of exactly what you need.

daluv

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by WhiteOnRice &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">First off, I know this is a very common swap and I could probably find the info by searching but that would take a lot of time; which I don't have.</TD></TR></TABLE>

In the time it took you to write this, you couldve clicked on the FAQ thread, found what you needed, and be happily on your way to swapping you motor.

WhiteOnRice

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by daluv &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">In the time it took you to write this, you couldve clicked on the FAQ thread, found what you needed, and be happily on your way to swapping you motor.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Do you think I didn't check both of those?
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
B18B
This is the motor in the non Type-R and non GSR Integra.

Pros
Good torque for a 1.8L (127 ft/lbs)
Inexpensive (even cheaper than a B16)
142 hp (more than any stock D series)
Boost heads love them

Cons
No VTEC
Longest B series transmission</TD></TR></TABLE>
Let's see which pertains to my specific question?
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Basic Swap Information For Civics
No - Detailed General "How-To-Swap" information
No - GSR Into '92-'00 Civics
No - Where A Lot Of People Get Engine Swaps
No - H2B FAQ
No - Basic H22 Swap Information
No - Very Detailed H22 Into '92-'00 Civic Information
No - H22 Swap In '92-'00 Civic
No - H22A Into Civic Axle Information
No - B20 Into '96-'00 Civics
No - B20 Into '96-'00 Civic Part List
No - Removing Your Engine Without a Hoist
No - OBD-I Engine into OBD-IIa or OBD-IIb civic or integra
No - Building an LS/VTEC
No - K20 Into '92-'95 Civics
No - D-Series Compression Ratio Calculator
No - B/D-Series Compression Ratio Calculator
No - H/F-Series Compression Ratio Calculator
No - Horsepower Calculator
No - Retaining PS w/ a '96-'00 B-Series Swap
No - How To Build A Reliable LS/VTEC
No - Which Timing Belt/Water Pump For My JDM D15B??</TD></TR></TABLE>
I've been here long enough to know to check the FAQ. So FAQ, *******.

gsxr1k05

nothing d series will work for you. you need the b series mounts oem or aftermarket. same with the axles.. need b series.

94-00 teg linkage. the 90-93 was a tad short, but will work. the bends are different.. there was a write up on here about that somewhere

in defense to daluv, any b series swap is about the same. its the size of the engine that is different. hence the word SERIES. so you should appoligoize to him. granted he could have said what he said nicer. but thats a forum for you.

if you dont want to spend the money on hasport and can not find oem, there is
azracemachine.com
and innovative mounts.

WhiteOnRice

Thanks. I'm sure I can find oem ls mounts.

What about the harness? Which ECU?

daluv

Well since this gets asked almost daily, me and BauleyCivic have decided that making a thread to showcase, if you will, the swaps.
Some intro swap information

Switching OBD motors

Many people think that swapping in a pre OBDI motor into their 92+ Civic is a good idea. I disagree. First, you'll have to swap the car from OBDI to OBD0 ot try and change the motor to OBDI. If you get a swap older than a 1991, you have to deal with the cable to hydro tranny conversion. The 1992-1993 Integra is the oddball swap of the bunch, being OBD1 and cable tranny. Your stock Civic has a hydraulic transmission.
Swapping from OBDII to OBDI is a common thing more and more now. Although the idea is quite good, it has flaws. If you use a jumper harness, it is very difficult to get the ECM to fit back in it's original location. Also, unless you feel like changing things back at inspection time, it's going to be impossible to pass in some areas. Now places are implementing OBDII testing that will have the tester plug a computer into your OBDII port to check for legality (no pulling the check engine light bulbs anymore to pass).

General swap info and tips

This could be better covered by someone with more swap experience, but I'll put in my $.02. Do it from the top. Just because more people have access to the tools and locations where putting in a swap from the top is easier. Also, make sure you have some way to crack the axle nuts loose. Air tools are a lifesaver when you have to turn bolts in a job like this, as is a torque wrench and a GOOD set of sockets.

If you can follow directions on here and unbolt things and rebolt them with a little wiring, you can do a swap.

A special thanks goes out to JDMlyfestyle for this thread https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=983454

JDM Swaps

Honestly, unless these come from a friend in Japan, you're taking a gamble every time. You have no real way to know how many miles are on the engine, nor how it was treated. Just keep that in mind. It has not been proven (no matter how many claims) that these JDM motors make any more HP.


Where to find them
First of all, if you are looking for a USDM motor, I'll suggest local junkyards. They are probally your best bet, as you can look at what you're getting instead of having to order it. Many people on here have bough swaps online, and they have posted their experiences in this thread:

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=50010


Possible Swaps

Now before someone jumps on me and says anything is possible with enough time and money, I know. These are going to be fairly straightforward options with the pros/cons.

D series swaps
These are fairly inexpensive and come in a variety of Civics. IMHO, these are the easiest swaps to drop in. I also don't want to hear a bunch of whining about the opinions on power levels. Of course there are going to be some exceptions to the rule.

Pros
Inexpensive
Decent potential (200 whp or so on stock internals)
OEM parts are cheap
More than enough for most people
The best D series come with ~130 hp tops
Optional factory LSD in the JDM D15B

Cons
Not as much potential as some other motors
Transmission not geared for accelleration
Don't respond to bolt ons well
Only way to get real power out of them is FI

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B16
These can be found in the JDM SIR and SIRII (among other JDM cars, which I don't claim to know all of which it came in) as well as the USDM 99-00 SI (EM1) and the 99-00 Canadian SIR.

Pros
160 hp stock
High RPM power
Fairly inexpensive
Good transmission
DOHC VTEC

Cons
113ft/lbs torque (very little more than a D16z6 stock)
Without knowing what you're looking for you can end up with a high mileage JDM model
Under 4k or so it feels just like a D16

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B18B
This is the motor in the non Type-R and non GSR Integra.

Pros
Good torque for a 1.8L (127 ft/lbs)
Inexpensive (even cheaper than a B16)
142 hp (more than any stock D series)
Boost heads love them

Cons
No VTEC
Longest B series transmission

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B18C1 (or JDM B18C)
These come out of an Integra GSR.

Pros
Good Hp and TQ numbers (170, 121 ft/lbs respectively)
DOHC VTEC
Tons of potential
High revving

Cons
Expensive
Becoming moreso as people keep scooping them up
Slighty longer tranny than the ITR and B16

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B18C5 (or JDM B18C)
This is found in the Integra Type-R. IMHO this is the best swap for a Civic.

Pros
GREAT HP and TQ numbers (195 and 134 ft/lbs)
High revving
Hand built motor from Honda
Optional factory LSD
Best transmission for a B series from the factory
Red valve cover

Cons
EXPENSIVE
If JDM ITR is used, the 36mm axle 32mm hub problems occur

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B16B
This is the motor found in the Civic Type R found all over the world.

Pros
185 hp 117 ft/lbs
High revving
Good top end power
Red valve cover

Cons
Expensive- almost as much as an ITR for lower performance
Very little torque still, have to rev the motor to make power

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B20

Pros
Great torque (133 ft/lbs)
good boost motors
inexpensive
B20z=146hp

Cons
Thin cylinder walls
Have to peice together a swap for a Civic (can't drop it in with a B20 tranny)
Won't pass BAR (light truck motor in a car)
Low hp in the B20b(126 hp)

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H22/JDM F20B

Pros
200 hp
H22=156 ft/lbs torque
F20B=145 ft/lbs torque
Great torque
DONT WEIGH THAT MUCH MORE THAN A B SWAP!!
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=684550

Cons
Harder to install than a B/D motor
transmission feel is vague IMHO
Less info out there for the swap (aka, less experience as they are less common)
Price of swap is comperable to a B18C5 after everything is said and done (mounts, etc)

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K20
This can be found in the new EP3, the RSX (base and Type S) as well as other cars across the world (RSX R, etc). This is the future of the swap IMHO. There is a writeup on installing one of these in one issue of Sport Compact Car magazine (June 2004 I *think*)

Pros
200 hp 158 ft/lbs torque (RSX R)
I-VTEC
Respond VERY well to bolt ons
6 speed transmission
Most have very low miles

Cons
Still super expensive
More difficult swap than a B or D

Well, there you have it people. I've outlined some of the pros cons on some of the most popular swaps.

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H2B/F2B
Pros:
All pros of H22/F20B
No custom mounts
Tons of potential

Cons: requires H2B adapter kit
Requires MINOR usage of angle grinder
Requires spacers under the hood

For more H2B information
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1998426

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Check out the FAQ thread for more info on how to install them.
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=642479

Most of these HP/TQ numbers were taken from Hmotors online if I didn't know them. Don't bite my head off if they aern't correct. I don't claim to be a walking encyclopedia, so I have had some help.

This is from the first post on the FAQ thread "What swaps are available for my civic" If you wouldve read carefully, there is a link after the 4th paragraph that takes you to a thread tilling you about what mounts you can use for the swap... *******.

WhiteOnRice

So why not avoid the whole thing and only post the link? And I need more than mounts.

daluv

Ok Ill be nice and make it really easy for you, here is the part of that post that you apparently are not seeing:

A special thanks goes out to JDMlyfestyle for this thread https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=983454

That thread by JDMlyfestyle has everything you need.

Just in case you still dont get it, click on this link, dumbass:

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=983454

daluv

Ah, you saw I was right and your tone changed quite quickly.

daluv

92-95 EG & Del Sol with a 94-2000 Integra LS B18B Engine.

Transmission: These Engines come with Hydraulic clutch transmissions including Japanese or American market Y21, Y80, S80, AND S4C. Japanese or American market S1, J1, A1, Y1 or YS1 cable clutch transmission with Hasport cable conversion kit part # M92-CC can be used.

Mounts: A combination of stock and integra mounts can be used if a hydraulic B- series tranny is used. on some 96 and up engines you may need to change the bracket under the timing belt and on the rear of the engine for ones of the appropriate year.

ECU: p75 from a 94-95 Integra

Electrical Differences: CX and VX need to convert to 4 wire o2 sensor. All models modify stock harness to fit.

Axles: 90-93 integra axles, 94-up integra axles, 94-97 Del Sol Vtec axles, or 99-00 Civic Si Axles. Note the intermediate shaft seal in the left side of transmission is different for 90-93 Integra Axles. Depending on Axle transmission Combo, It may have to be changed. Hasport Part#: EGBAXCMP

Shift Linkage: 94-up Integra linkage for Civics. 94-97 Del Sol Vtec linkage for Del Sol

Upper Radiator Hose: 94-Up Integra LS

Lower Radiator Hose: 94 Del Sol Vtec

Throttle Cable: 94 Integra LS

Clutch Hydraulics: Stock

Air Conditioning: 94-95 Del Sol Vtec A/C bracket

Special instructions: Using OBD II Ecu requires involved wiring modifications. Generally if the ECU you choose does not use the same plugs as the stock ECU, an Adapter harness will cut down on alot of potential problems

Special Considerations: Nice motor, Smog Legal, and excellent base for turbo car. Smog Legal in CA

Since you obviously have trouble reading a simple post about something that you are looking for, this is from the thread that the provided link goes to.

WhiteOnRice

Yeah, I found it. I guess "A special thanks goes out to JDMlyfestyle for this thread" doesn't scream (or even remotely hint) b18b1 swap into EG.

I don't know why there are ******** like you who need to tell people to search like it's the highlight of their life. I have owned and administrated many forums in my life and have never bitched about a repeat question. Especially when it isn't obvious (or a searched thread doesn't explain it all).

I think it would be best for me just to find someone that did the exact swap and ask them questions directly. So... who's done this?

daluv

Ive done this swap a few times, and the answers are in that thread. And for someone that has owned and administrated many forums, I find it a little odd that you wouldnt take my helping of giving you a link so you didnt have to search yourself as help, you got offended by it. If I asked that question, and someone gave me the link I gave you, I would thank them.

WhiteOnRice

No, I am going to use that info. It would have been easier if you would have just posted that link you knew about (I'm not a b-series/eg/ek guy so I didn't know about it) instead of telling me to search. That's what you are supposed to do. If you have to tell someone to search, offer a link.

daluv

Here's what parts I used in my two swaps that I did, one was an LS swap into a 93 EX coupe:

94 LS motor
01 GS-R tranny
Stock d-series top tranny mount
Enjo drivers side and rear motor mounts
94 LS rear motor bracket
94 LS intermediate shaft
94 Axles
Hasport shiftlinkages
93 LS ecu
94 LS header, stock EX cat
Stock engine wiring harness (all plug and play)
LS dizzy
Stock EX injectors
Upper and Lower rad. hoses from 94 LS

daluv

My second swap. B20B into a 94 Civic hatch CX:

B20B motor
B16 tranny
Hasport mounts and linkage
Same everything else as above for the rest of the parts.

WhiteOnRice

Okay, thank you. Did you still use the EX radiator? Is that a full size (CX is tiny)?

Do you know which ECU I should use in my situation?

daluv

Technically, I did tell you where to go to find the link that I was reffering to. If you took the few minutes to read it, you wouldve seen it. Its all good though. F-it, I was only trying to help from the start, not to be a dick.

daluv

Here's what you need to do in your situation.

My B20B I put in my 94 CX was OBDII. The whole conversion harness thing is not needed in your (as well as my) situation. Get an OBD-I LS distributor, and an OBD-I integra ls ecu. Any ECU from an integra LS from the years 92-95 will work. Then, just reuse your stock injectors, or use 94 Integra injectors either will work. Then, just plug it all in and you are good to go. Also, your stock D-Series alternator will work as well.

WhiteOnRice

It didn't come off that way but it's fine. I don't care what way it takes to get info (not being a dick either. I literally only get 1 day a week (about 4 hrs) to work on this car and need all the info I can get). I looked through that thread and never thought to click that link; it's too vague.

WhiteOnRice

Is that P74 or P75? Or will either work?

daluv

Go with the P75