.Kevin.

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trying buying a brand name one

i had a cheap one broke it

payed $48 shipped for a B&M and i luv it, and that bitch wont break for nothing</TD></TR></TABLE>


i secound that i shift the hell outa my car when i slam it from first 2nd and it hasnt broken, i paid 48$ also for a B&M i say go b&m cheap reliable and fast shifts

JdmB16Eg6

i had DC ones

Lord Helmet

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dc=aluminum= bend

b&m and skunk2 are steel. that's the difference

Motor-Tek

i'll be using a B&M dual bend w/energy suspension bushing's

crxss outhe eyes

i found my skunk2 dual bend on ebay for $100. Skunk2 dual bend, energy suspension bushings, spoon duracon shift **** is what i have. i LOVE IT

Targa250R

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I agree. That's why I have this:

EJ6_Hatch

/\ good for autoX

Ricey McRicerton

Nice stonewashed jeans there Bon Jovi.

AutoXer

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Haha... I've been looking for a setup like that? Who makes that peice?

Right now my shifter is about a hands length away from the steering wheel, and I don't want to increase the distance with a short shifter to save time on the shifts; so the regular ones don't seem to be of much benefit to me.

Targa250R

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by AutoXer &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Haha... I've been looking for a setup like that? Who makes that peice?

Right now my shifter is about a hands length away from the steering wheel, and I don't want to increase the distance with a short shifter to save time on the shifts; so the regular ones don't seem to be of much benefit to me.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Fastline Performance Road Race shifter - http://www.fastlineperformance.com/shifter.htm

Makes the one shift that you have to do on most autocross courses much easier to grab

I have yet to miss a gear with it.

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That's glare from the flash, smartass

AutoXer

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Makes the one shift that you have to do on most autocross courses much easier to grab
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That's what I was thinking Although, on some of the tight parking lot courses, my tourqeless wonder needs 1st, but I never go for it because it takes too long.

jeffk182

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Cutting the shifter will only make the shifter sit lower and will not change the throw for shifting. What changes the throw is the position of the ball on the shifter..that changes the pivot on the shifter. But my Skunk2 single bend SS with a spoon shift **** and energy bushings is quite lovely

hcivic99

i got a bm shifter and now sometimes it will just rattle when i step on the gas and it is really anoing. but i dont know if this is a comon problem with them but other than that i love it i also have energy suspention bushings

Morning Call

short shifters do not increase the speed of shifting unless your slow as hell at shifting..

a tranny can only shift into gear so fast, and im SURE anyone can make the stock shifter shift that fast....

EJ8VTEC

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i secound that i shift the hell outa my car when i slam it from first 2nd and it hasnt broken, i paid 48$ also for a B&M i say go b&m cheap reliable and fast shifts</TD></TR></TABLE>
keep slammin gears like that n ur shifter will last alot longer than ur trans will

all*motor*d16z6

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the distance between c&d is shorter..... bottom line... with the angle that it is at it moves the bottom of the shifter the same amout with less travel on the top(ie:short shifter) adding to the bottom of the shifter does the same thing.... basicly what you are trying to do is change the leverage which both ways do.... the most common way is to add to the bottom because cutting from the top puts the shifter farther away from the driver but its is still none the less possible

*pop* yeah that was your bubble

all*motor*d16z6

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Cutting the shifter will only make the shifter sit lower and will not change the throw for shifting. What changes the throw is the position of the ball on the shifter..that changes the pivot on the shifter. But my Skunk2 single bend SS with a spoon shift **** and energy bushings is quite lovely </TD></TR></TABLE>
cutting the top does change the position of the ball..... more % of the shifter below the ball than there was before because there is less % on the top.... which is the same thing adding length to the bottom will do it just adds more & of the shifter to below the ball just because the ball doesnt move up on the shifter does not mean that the that the shift throw doesnt change

hc99si1

I'm using the B&M race version with the built on bushing. It feels solid, with a decrease in throw around 55%.
The only drawback to using a SS without a bend is that even with my long arms I had to reach to shift, but after couple of months I don't even think about it any more.

One issue I encountered was the rattling of the custom piping against the bottom of the shifter. I just lowered the exhaust hangers and voila, no more knocking.

jolt-tsp

I ended up cutting the counterweight to avoid knocking. It worked, and didn't throw off the feel of the shifter hardly at all.

IHateJDM

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cutting the top does change the position of the ball..... more % of the shifter below the ball than there was before because there is less % on the top.... which is the same thing adding length to the bottom will do it just adds more & of the shifter to below the ball just because the ball doesnt move up on the shifter does not mean that the that the shift throw doesnt change </TD></TR></TABLE>

This is correct, although you will still have much shorter throws with an aftermarket one than a cut stock shifter. Personally, I think the bushings are more important than the shifter. while the shifter saves you .01 of a second in shifts, the bushings will give you a better feel and reduce misshifts. BTW, if you go skunk2, get their shift **** too, its designed (weighted) for their shifter, and the throws are much better with it.

EgRedSi

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SiFan

I have a B&M duel bend an so far I like it. I had the rattle too but mine wasn't the exhaust it was the cheesy little bushings they sent with the kit. All I did was run down to the hardware store and buy different O-rings about the same size as the factory ones and BINGO no more rattle. I bought three different sizes so I have no clue what the exact sizes were but those with the same problem mite try it.