Market Research
07-19-2003, 09:27 AM
#51
Honda-Tech Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: somewhere out there, CA
Posts: 1,599
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Re: Market Research (Spoond TEG)
ok, so what you are saying is all bout the price factor. i do understand the cheaper the better, but do you know what will a header box like that cost for a pro viper racer? it will cost them more than 2k. and honestly, you compare the heat shield to the spoon tape is not fair because they are totally in different level. just like you are complainting why the special paper for printing cost so much while normal paper can't even do a good job on keeping the color together.
07-19-2003, 09:33 AM
#52
Honda-Tech Member
Re: Market Research (spoon_ek9)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by spoon_ek9 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ok, so what you are saying is all bout the price factor. i do understand the cheaper the better, but do you know what will a header box like that cost for a pro viper racer? it will cost them more than 2k. and honestly, you compare the heat shield to the spoon tape is not fair because they are totally in different level. just like you are complainting why the special paper for printing cost so much while normal paper can't even do a good job on keeping the color together.</TD></TR></TABLE>
You say that, but how is comparing a pro race viper to a civic fair. We emit way less heat then 3000 degree's. ITS JUST NOT PRCTICAL.
You say that, but how is comparing a pro race viper to a civic fair. We emit way less heat then 3000 degree's. ITS JUST NOT PRCTICAL.
07-19-2003, 12:29 PM
#53
Honda-Tech Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: somewhere out there, CA
Posts: 1,599
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Re: Market Research (MagillaGorilla)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by MagillaGorilla »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You say that, but how is comparing a pro race viper to a civic fair. We emit way less heat then 3000 degree's. ITS JUST NOT PRCTICAL. </TD></TR></TABLE>
right, but TELL me which engine will emit close to 3k F temp in ANY condition? you guy still don't get it. the selling point of this heat shield is the result of heat isolation, not how much heat it can withstand. the reason i mention the price for viper team is to let you guy know how much it will cost normally, so that you can see how much effort we have put to bring the price down. if you guy are not ready for this serious product, then forget about it. we will put it as a custom item.
</TD></TR></TABLE>right, but TELL me which engine will emit close to 3k F temp in ANY condition? you guy still don't get it. the selling point of this heat shield is the result of heat isolation, not how much heat it can withstand. the reason i mention the price for viper team is to let you guy know how much it will cost normally, so that you can see how much effort we have put to bring the price down. if you guy are not ready for this serious product, then forget about it. we will put it as a custom item.
07-19-2003, 01:11 PM
#54
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: keller, TX
Posts: 648
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Re: Market Research (spoon_ek9)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by spoon_ek9 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
that is a special material that can withstand 3000F. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Overkill. If your info is right, then the material can withstand up to 3000 degrees F.
Why would we need that much when you said it yourself, on a turbo exhaust manifold temps reach to 4-500 degrees F max.
Here's the alternative, which btw is MUCH cheaper.
that is a special material that can withstand 3000F. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Overkill. If your info is right, then the material can withstand up to 3000 degrees F.
Why would we need that much when you said it yourself, on a turbo exhaust manifold temps reach to 4-500 degrees F max.
Here's the alternative, which btw is MUCH cheaper.
07-19-2003, 07:32 PM
#55
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: DC2R
Posts: 674
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Re: Market Research (spoon_ek9)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by spoon_ek9 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ok, so what you are saying is all bout the price factor. i do understand the cheaper the better, but do you know what will a header box like that cost for a pro viper racer? it will cost them more than 2k. and honestly, you compare the heat shield to the spoon tape is not fair because they are totally in different level. just like you are complainting why the special paper for printing cost so much while normal paper can't even do a good job on keeping the color together.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Okay my example was with the Heat paint. if your engine reaches temps of 400 degrees and there is a Paint that is rated at 550 which costs 7 bux and there is another rated at 1500 degrees and it costs 10 bux but then you pring one in that is rated to 3000 degrees and it costs 100 bux. A smart buyer would mostlikely go with the 7 dollar can or maybe the 10 dollar can. I would spend the extra 3 bux for the higher temp paint NOT that I would need it but to me it's just a better buy. I most certainly wouln't buy a can of 3000 degree paint for 100. there is SIMPLY NO NEED FOR IT.
Several time you have brough up professional racing cars to compare with. The engines in those cars are different than ours.
Heat isolation you speak of. Where does the heat go? My alternative is to allow the heat to escape through venting IMO would be a better idea and more for your $$$
Just adding an OBJECTIVE opinion if you product was say 100 or less then you migh have a better chance to sell it. Trust me I am not saying that the product sux just that since there a alternatives out there that are much much cheaper and will do just fine for our SUB 1000 Degree engines.
Okay my example was with the Heat paint. if your engine reaches temps of 400 degrees and there is a Paint that is rated at 550 which costs 7 bux and there is another rated at 1500 degrees and it costs 10 bux but then you pring one in that is rated to 3000 degrees and it costs 100 bux. A smart buyer would mostlikely go with the 7 dollar can or maybe the 10 dollar can. I would spend the extra 3 bux for the higher temp paint NOT that I would need it but to me it's just a better buy. I most certainly wouln't buy a can of 3000 degree paint for 100. there is SIMPLY NO NEED FOR IT.
Several time you have brough up professional racing cars to compare with. The engines in those cars are different than ours.
Heat isolation you speak of. Where does the heat go? My alternative is to allow the heat to escape through venting IMO would be a better idea and more for your $$$
Just adding an OBJECTIVE opinion if you product was say 100 or less then you migh have a better chance to sell it. Trust me I am not saying that the product sux just that since there a alternatives out there that are much much cheaper and will do just fine for our SUB 1000 Degree engines.
07-19-2003, 08:50 PM
#58
Honda-Tech Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: somewhere out there, CA
Posts: 1,599
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Re: Market Research (Spoond TEG)
i give up, you guys don't deserve this product.
however, i will still answer your question.
spoond teg:
you are still using an example about thing that WITHSTAND heat. i told you twice that the main point of this product is heat isolation. the heat will TRAP inside of the header, so that the header will have better flow due to the heat.
and i can also tell you that since your radiator DOES NOT need to cool down the extra heat from the header(being close to the radiator), your car will run cooler under RACE condition. thats mean your cooling effiency will be increased.
back to the $$ part, yes i know it is not cheap, but like ANY serious RACE product, they are not cheap. if you want it cheap, it is not going to be good(or good enough)
superstreet RX7:
i don't even know what to say. you are just being a dick(or a follower). if you can't understand the heat theory, do more research on the "internet". BTW, say hi to your hampster which lives under your hood.
however, i will still answer your question.
spoond teg:
you are still using an example about thing that WITHSTAND heat. i told you twice that the main point of this product is heat isolation. the heat will TRAP inside of the header, so that the header will have better flow due to the heat.
and i can also tell you that since your radiator DOES NOT need to cool down the extra heat from the header(being close to the radiator), your car will run cooler under RACE condition. thats mean your cooling effiency will be increased.
back to the $$ part, yes i know it is not cheap, but like ANY serious RACE product, they are not cheap. if you want it cheap, it is not going to be good(or good enough)
superstreet RX7:
i don't even know what to say. you are just being a dick(or a follower). if you can't understand the heat theory, do more research on the "internet". BTW, say hi to your hampster which lives under your hood.
07-19-2003, 10:08 PM
#59
Member
Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: not, tiiight
Posts: 1,974
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Re: Market Research (spoon_ek9)
frank, i like it, and ill back you promoting it.
keeping engine temps down while road racing can prove to be so vital!
im sure if enough peeps showed interest, cost could come down a bit like george mentioned, 150-60ish.
keeping engine temps down while road racing can prove to be so vital!
im sure if enough peeps showed interest, cost could come down a bit like george mentioned, 150-60ish.
07-19-2003, 10:20 PM
#60
Honda-Tech Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: somewhere out there, CA
Posts: 1,599
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Re: Market Research (b20bastard)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by b20bastard »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">frank, i like it, and ill back you promoting it.
keeping engine temps down while road racing can prove to be so vital!
im sure if enough peeps showed interest, cost could come down a bit like george mentioned, 150-60ish. </TD></TR></TABLE>
thank man i am quite disappointed by all the other people who think its useless and compare it with a far less effective product. what i am trying to do is to bring a real deal race product close to a street/race/track car, but i guess i am wrong/stupid to do so.
keeping engine temps down while road racing can prove to be so vital!
im sure if enough peeps showed interest, cost could come down a bit like george mentioned, 150-60ish.
</TD></TR></TABLE>thank man
i am quite disappointed by all the other people who think its useless and compare it with a far less effective product. what i am trying to do is to bring a real deal race product close to a street/race/track car, but i guess i am wrong/stupid to do so.
07-20-2003, 06:28 AM
#62
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: DC2R
Posts: 674
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Re: Market Research (spoon_ek9)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by spoon_ek9 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
thank man i am quite disappointed by all the other people who think its useless and compare it with a far less effective product. what i am trying to do is to bring a real deal race product close to a street/race/track car, but i guess i am wrong/stupid to do so.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I am not trying to say you're stupid. Just that your product is over Kill and priced beyond reasonable for STREET APPLICATIONS. Post some numbers of what kind of HP this will free up OVER the so called lesser products and Maybe you will have a better response.
It's not a BAD Idea just that you're marketing it wrong. You cannot appeal to our need for "Heat Isolation" because our engines don't get that hot to need something of that magnitude. You cannot appeal to the "Police can't prove you have an illegal header." argument cause say for people in MD this is not a problem, also it looks aftermarket so the safe assumption is that the header would be also and enough to make you get it checked out..
Honestly if you really want to Market it to average people then you can lower your price. Or make it worth the 200 bux Like say if it freed up 15-20 HP then you have a good argument.
thank man
i am quite disappointed by all the other people who think its useless and compare it with a far less effective product. what i am trying to do is to bring a real deal race product close to a street/race/track car, but i guess i am wrong/stupid to do so.</TD></TR></TABLE>I am not trying to say you're stupid. Just that your product is over Kill and priced beyond reasonable for STREET APPLICATIONS. Post some numbers of what kind of HP this will free up OVER the so called lesser products and Maybe you will have a better response.
It's not a BAD Idea just that you're marketing it wrong. You cannot appeal to our need for "Heat Isolation" because our engines don't get that hot to need something of that magnitude. You cannot appeal to the "Police can't prove you have an illegal header." argument cause say for people in MD this is not a problem, also it looks aftermarket so the safe assumption is that the header would be also and enough to make you get it checked out..
Honestly if you really want to Market it to average people then you can lower your price. Or make it worth the 200 bux Like say if it freed up 15-20 HP then you have a good argument.
07-20-2003, 07:48 AM
#63
Honda-Tech Member
Re: Market Research (Spoond TEG)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Spoond TEG »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
I am not trying to say you're stupid. Just that your product is over Kill and priced beyond reasonable for STREET APPLICATIONS. Post some numbers of what kind of HP this will free up OVER the so called lesser products and Maybe you will have a better response.
</TD></TR></TABLE>
Couldnt have said it better, I think its cool...but something to withstand 3k degree's is just not needed for daily driving/weekend racing.
Not trying to say your product is not needed, but at SCCA events i have seen the lead cars engine bay, all they use is header wrap. This is in endurance race conditions and it does the job, cheap and effective.
-Eric
I am not trying to say you're stupid. Just that your product is over Kill and priced beyond reasonable for STREET APPLICATIONS. Post some numbers of what kind of HP this will free up OVER the so called lesser products and Maybe you will have a better response.
</TD></TR></TABLE>
Couldnt have said it better, I think its cool...but something to withstand 3k degree's is just not needed for daily driving/weekend racing.
Not trying to say your product is not needed, but at SCCA events i have seen the lead cars engine bay, all they use is header wrap. This is in endurance race conditions and it does the job, cheap and effective.
-Eric
07-20-2003, 10:30 AM
#65
Honda-Tech Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: somewhere out there, CA
Posts: 1,599
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Re: Market Research (Spoond TEG)
hopefully, the normal peeps will learn. like i said, if you guys think its over kill for your cars, this item will be a custom item for customer serious enough.
btw, name one single item that can free up 15-20hp for 200 bucks.
superstreetrx7
you are the only one who is making yourself an A$$.
anyway, this is done. average people can't make use of this product. thank for all the comments.
btw, name one single item that can free up 15-20hp for 200 bucks.
superstreetrx7
you are the only one who is making yourself an A$$.
anyway, this is done. average people can't make use of this product. thank for all the comments.
07-20-2003, 03:13 PM
#67
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Orange Park, Florida, USA
Posts: 1,659
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Re: Market Research (spoon_ek9)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by spoon_ek9 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">hopefully, the normal peeps will learn. like i said, if you guys think its over kill for your cars, this item will be a custom item for customer serious enough.
btw, name one single item that can free up 15-20hp for 200 bucks.
superstreetrx7
you are the only one who is making yourself an A$$.
anyway, this is done. average people can't make use of this product. thank for all the comments. </TD></TR></TABLE>
When you show me and everyone else it frees up 15-20 horsepower then maybe you will get positive responses. Also test it agains regular heat wrap. ONA STREET car turbo or N/A. I am interested in this but i just dont see how it can free up 15-20 horsepower i just think thats rediculous.
btw, name one single item that can free up 15-20hp for 200 bucks.
superstreetrx7
you are the only one who is making yourself an A$$.
anyway, this is done. average people can't make use of this product. thank for all the comments.
</TD></TR></TABLE>When you show me and everyone else it frees up 15-20 horsepower then maybe you will get positive responses. Also test it agains regular heat wrap. ONA STREET car turbo or N/A. I am interested in this but i just dont see how it can free up 15-20 horsepower i just think thats rediculous.
07-20-2003, 03:34 PM
#68
Honda-Tech Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: somewhere out there, CA
Posts: 1,599
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Re: Market Research (slowdx)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by slowdx »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I am interested in this but i just dont see how it can free up 15-20 horsepower i just think thats rediculous.</TD></TR></TABLE>
did i say in ANYWHERE in this post that this heat shield can add 10-15hp? where is all this coming from? can you guys read? the reason i ask spoond teg "name one single product that can add 10-15hp for 200 bucks" is because you guys are not being realistic. i am sure this product can prevent power less when temp. is climbing up.
did i say in ANYWHERE in this post that this heat shield can add 10-15hp? where is all this coming from? can you guys read? the reason i ask spoond teg "name one single product that can add 10-15hp for 200 bucks" is because you guys are not being realistic. i am sure this product can prevent power less when temp. is climbing up.
07-20-2003, 04:02 PM
#69
Member
Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: not, tiiight
Posts: 1,974
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Re: (tangb2023)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by tangb2023 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">rather buy header wrap.. cheaper.</TD></TR></TABLE>
you guys have totally missed the point.
you guys have totally missed the point.
07-20-2003, 04:31 PM
#70
Honda-Tech Member
Re: (b20bastard)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by b20bastard »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
you guys have totally missed the point.</TD></TR></TABLE>
What is the point?
you guys have totally missed the point.</TD></TR></TABLE>
What is the point?
07-20-2003, 04:44 PM
#71
Unceasing Measure
Re: (MagillaGorilla)
OK Ek9...here's what you do to convince us that spending $200 on glorified header wrap is going to benefit anybody other than hardcore professional road racers:
1.) Heat-soak and dyno test a B18C, B16A, B18B, H22A & D16Z and show us the numbers from before the heat soak and after the heat soak. By all means, run the bastards on the track for six hotlaps before you're thoroughly convinced that the radiant energy from the header is ******* up the engine's mojo.
2.) Following the same procedure, dyno the above motors with conventional header wrap and tell us how much power was scavenged.
3.) Again repeat the battery of tests, but this time using your $200 heat shield of doom. Show us how much better your car performs when it's heat soaked and using your shield versus using $40 of header wrap.
People are giving you **** because you're marketing a hardcore race product in a section of Honda-Tech wherein the clientelle is 95% daily-driving, mustang-embarassing college students who don't have extra money lying around to blow on your glorified metal sleeve. If you want to sell this product for $200 to people who will use it, you need to focus on the autoX/RR forum. If you're not smart enough to realize that, I don't know how you'd make heads or tails of the obvious response to your product.
Show me it works and we'll see. Until then, pitch your refrigerator to a Texan, cuz the Eskimos don't want it.
1.) Heat-soak and dyno test a B18C, B16A, B18B, H22A & D16Z and show us the numbers from before the heat soak and after the heat soak. By all means, run the bastards on the track for six hotlaps before you're thoroughly convinced that the radiant energy from the header is ******* up the engine's mojo.
2.) Following the same procedure, dyno the above motors with conventional header wrap and tell us how much power was scavenged.
3.) Again repeat the battery of tests, but this time using your $200 heat shield of doom. Show us how much better your car performs when it's heat soaked and using your shield versus using $40 of header wrap.
People are giving you **** because you're marketing a hardcore race product in a section of Honda-Tech wherein the clientelle is 95% daily-driving, mustang-embarassing college students who don't have extra money lying around to blow on your glorified metal sleeve. If you want to sell this product for $200 to people who will use it, you need to focus on the autoX/RR forum. If you're not smart enough to realize that, I don't know how you'd make heads or tails of the obvious response to your product.
Show me it works and we'll see. Until then, pitch your refrigerator to a Texan, cuz the Eskimos don't want it.
07-20-2003, 05:02 PM
#73
Honda-Tech Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: somewhere out there, CA
Posts: 1,599
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Re: (Archidictus)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Archidictus »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">OK Ek9...here's what you do to convince us that spending $200 on glorified header wrap is going to benefit anybody other than hardcore professional road racers:
1.) Heat-soak and dyno test a B18C, B16A, B18B, H22A & D16Z and show us the numbers from before the heat soak and after the heat soak. By all means, run the bastards on the track for six hotlaps before you're thoroughly convinced that the radiant energy from the header is ******* up the engine's mojo.
2.) Following the same procedure, dyno the above motors with conventional header wrap and tell us how much power was scavenged.
3.) Again repeat the battery of tests, but this time using your $200 heat shield of doom. Show us how much better your car performs when it's heat soaked and using your shield versus using $40 of header wrap.
People are giving you **** because you're marketing a hardcore race product in a section of Honda-Tech wherein the clientelle is 95% daily-driving, mustang-embarassing college students who don't have extra money lying around to blow on your glorified metal sleeve. If you want to sell this product for $200 to people who will use it, you need to focus on the autoX/RR forum. If you're not smart enough to realize that, I don't know how you'd make heads or tails of the obvious response to your product.
Show me it works and we'll see. Until then, pitch your refrigerator to a Texan, cuz the Eskimos don't want it.</TD></TR></TABLE>
thank for the comments, but do you realize that i am doing a market research before i do any actual product? we know it will work, no question about it. or else ALL the race teams will use heat wrap instead of this expensive shield? or in other word, its race proven. and like i said before, if you guys think this is too expensive, we will simply keep it as a custom item(how many time do i need to say this?).
also:
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Archidictus »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">1.) Heat-soak and dyno test a B18C, B16A, B18B, H22A & D16Z and show us the numbers from before the heat soak and after the heat soak. By all means, run the bastards on the track for six hotlaps before you're thoroughly convinced that the radiant energy from the header is ******* up the engine's mojo.
</TD></TR></TABLE>
you don't really need to ask this question. any people who tune/build engine can tell you the engine output will be decrease after 5-6 laps especially in cali.
BTW, the reason i post this in this forum is because i always go to this forum first. try to get normal peeps response.
1.) Heat-soak and dyno test a B18C, B16A, B18B, H22A & D16Z and show us the numbers from before the heat soak and after the heat soak. By all means, run the bastards on the track for six hotlaps before you're thoroughly convinced that the radiant energy from the header is ******* up the engine's mojo.
2.) Following the same procedure, dyno the above motors with conventional header wrap and tell us how much power was scavenged.
3.) Again repeat the battery of tests, but this time using your $200 heat shield of doom. Show us how much better your car performs when it's heat soaked and using your shield versus using $40 of header wrap.
People are giving you **** because you're marketing a hardcore race product in a section of Honda-Tech wherein the clientelle is 95% daily-driving, mustang-embarassing college students who don't have extra money lying around to blow on your glorified metal sleeve. If you want to sell this product for $200 to people who will use it, you need to focus on the autoX/RR forum. If you're not smart enough to realize that, I don't know how you'd make heads or tails of the obvious response to your product.
Show me it works and we'll see. Until then, pitch your refrigerator to a Texan, cuz the Eskimos don't want it.</TD></TR></TABLE>
thank for the comments, but do you realize that i am doing a market research before i do any actual product? we know it will work, no question about it. or else ALL the race teams will use heat wrap instead of this expensive shield? or in other word, its race proven. and like i said before, if you guys think this is too expensive, we will simply keep it as a custom item(how many time do i need to say this?).
also:
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Archidictus »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">1.) Heat-soak and dyno test a B18C, B16A, B18B, H22A & D16Z and show us the numbers from before the heat soak and after the heat soak. By all means, run the bastards on the track for six hotlaps before you're thoroughly convinced that the radiant energy from the header is ******* up the engine's mojo.
</TD></TR></TABLE>
you don't really need to ask this question. any people who tune/build engine can tell you the engine output will be decrease after 5-6 laps especially in cali.
BTW, the reason i post this in this forum is because i always go to this forum first. try to get normal peeps response.
07-20-2003, 09:47 PM
#74
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Orange Park, Florida, USA
Posts: 1,659
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Re: Market Research (spoon_ek9)
Sorry i misread what you wrote, but still prove it fees up any horsepower over regular heat wrap on a n/a or turbo street driven motor. Conesidering the majority or the people on here are street cars.