after what year can you not take out your airbags?
02-11-2006, 11:02 PM
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Re: after what year can you not take out your airbags? (huge230)
ive been in a small fender bender where the seat belt held me back. but then the air bag popped out broke my phone on my belt clip and hit me in the stomac. i was more than happy to loose that air bag lol
02-11-2006, 11:11 PM
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Re: after what year can you not take out your airbags? (john666)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RDix »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Thanks, i'll have to look into this a little more...there's sometimes when i think i wanna keep my airbag, and sometimes when i don't want it there..i guess this would sort of be an alternative..thanks for the heads up 
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no problem.... happy to pass along any info I have....
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by john666 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ive been in a small fender bender where the seat belt held me back. but then the air bag popped out broke my phone on my belt clip and hit me in the stomac. i was more than happy to loose that air bag lol</TD></TR></TABLE>
At least I know there's someone else out there who didn't like the airbag that hit them. The one that hit me busted my nose, bent and broke my glasses across my face, split my lip, and bruised me up pretty good. At least I walked away...
</TD></TR></TABLE>no problem.... happy to pass along any info I have....
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by john666 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ive been in a small fender bender where the seat belt held me back. but then the air bag popped out broke my phone on my belt clip and hit me in the stomac. i was more than happy to loose that air bag lol</TD></TR></TABLE>
At least I know there's someone else out there who didn't like the airbag that hit them. The one that hit me busted my nose, bent and broke my glasses across my face, split my lip, and bruised me up pretty good. At least I walked away...
02-12-2006, 05:56 PM
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i've been hit in the face with the airbag before in an accident i once had...it bruised my forehead, burned the whole right side of my face and cut my eyeball (i don't know how it happened, but it actually scratched my eyeball) and had to go to the hospital for it 
02-12-2006, 05:59 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by blkSi »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">why would you wanna just take out your airbags? they are there for a reason, and a pretty good one. unless you are installing a different steering wheel, there's no point (correct me if im wrong)
edit: oh, and im pretty sure its not illegal, just a safety regulation for the companies</TD></TR></TABLE>
Got into a car accident with my friend driving. T-Boned an Idiot that ran a stop sign and we were doing 70mph (in a 70mph zone). The air bags didnt deploy, they said that if they would have deployed then we would have gotten more hurt. We all walked out without scratches,bruises, or whiplash.
edit: oh, and im pretty sure its not illegal, just a safety regulation for the companies</TD></TR></TABLE>
Got into a car accident with my friend driving. T-Boned an Idiot that ran a stop sign and we were doing 70mph (in a 70mph zone). The air bags didnt deploy, they said that if they would have deployed then we would have gotten more hurt. We all walked out without scratches,bruises, or whiplash.
02-14-2006, 01:48 PM
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take out your airbag, get in a wreck, and see if the insurance company gives you a penny. DO NOT TAKE OUT FACTORY AIRBAGS UNLESS ITS A TRACK ONLY CAR!
If your on the track with a roll cage and a helmet, I have no problem with it. But my friend got hurt in his 89 BMW because he took out the airbags, and also got no money from the insurance company...well cause he didnt tell em, his rates would go up SO much as a "risk".
Friend of mine: $100,000 in facial reconstrucive surgary because a 94 Nissan Alima airbag failed to deploy, destroying her face. Don't ******* risk it, its safety, its there to save your life.
If your on the track with a roll cage and a helmet, I have no problem with it. But my friend got hurt in his 89 BMW because he took out the airbags, and also got no money from the insurance company...well cause he didnt tell em, his rates would go up SO much as a "risk".
Friend of mine: $100,000 in facial reconstrucive surgary because a 94 Nissan Alima airbag failed to deploy, destroying her face. Don't ******* risk it, its safety, its there to save your life.
02-14-2006, 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by qat727
As a personal rule, I don't get into arguments on forums.... remember the Special Olympics, kids.... however I don't get along too well with being called out for something that wasn't wrong.
Let's just say that you weren't there, and you aren't aware of the circumstances.... Your thought process seems to forget halfway through about the existence of seat belts. Seat belts have been in common use for over 30 years.... airbags have only been in widespread use for half that time.
A properly worn seat belt can effectively restrain a vehicle occupant. Hence the name applied to the airbag system- SRS. Supplemental Restraint System. I'm not quite sure how you got the mistaken notion that all collisions where an airbag does not deploy would result in hitting the steering wheel or the windshield. These types of injuries usually only occur when a seat belt is not used, or when there is a malfunction in the seat belt.
Yes, you can be struck by an airbag. Yes, you can live through it. Just ask any number of people that have owned a mid 1990's Nissan, or any number of people that go through the special investigations division of any auto maker. This does happen. People do live through it.
Yes, it does hurt to have an airbag hit you, or to hit an airbag regardless. To be true, it does hurt to hit the steering wheel or the windshield as well. The main thing to watch for is proper use of the seat belt. And just in case the explanation above was not enough for you, here's some raw data for you.
My hatchback is a 1992 Si. It came with a driver's airbag. The service manual, first edition, covering 1992 Civic 3 Door hatchback and 4 door sedan models, lists handling and removal procedures for not only the SRS (airbag) steering wheel, but also for a non-SRS steering wheel. The vehicle did not come with a passenger side airbag, either. These weren't added until 1994. Now, obviously, if Honda had not manufactured the vehicle to sufficiently protect occupants based on vehicle standards at the time, it would never have even been offered without a driver's side airbag.
Do what you want.... All my cars that I drive still have the airbags in them. I don't drive like an ***, and I don't want to go through the hassle of removing it. That, and I suspect Honda probably put a bit more thought into the design than Saturn did
Let's just say that you weren't there, and you aren't aware of the circumstances.... Your thought process seems to forget halfway through about the existence of seat belts. Seat belts have been in common use for over 30 years.... airbags have only been in widespread use for half that time.
A properly worn seat belt can effectively restrain a vehicle occupant. Hence the name applied to the airbag system- SRS. Supplemental Restraint System. I'm not quite sure how you got the mistaken notion that all collisions where an airbag does not deploy would result in hitting the steering wheel or the windshield. These types of injuries usually only occur when a seat belt is not used, or when there is a malfunction in the seat belt.
Yes, you can be struck by an airbag. Yes, you can live through it. Just ask any number of people that have owned a mid 1990's Nissan, or any number of people that go through the special investigations division of any auto maker. This does happen. People do live through it.
Yes, it does hurt to have an airbag hit you, or to hit an airbag regardless. To be true, it does hurt to hit the steering wheel or the windshield as well. The main thing to watch for is proper use of the seat belt. And just in case the explanation above was not enough for you, here's some raw data for you.
My hatchback is a 1992 Si. It came with a driver's airbag. The service manual, first edition, covering 1992 Civic 3 Door hatchback and 4 door sedan models, lists handling and removal procedures for not only the SRS (airbag) steering wheel, but also for a non-SRS steering wheel. The vehicle did not come with a passenger side airbag, either. These weren't added until 1994. Now, obviously, if Honda had not manufactured the vehicle to sufficiently protect occupants based on vehicle standards at the time, it would never have even been offered without a driver's side airbag.
Do what you want.... All my cars that I drive still have the airbags in them. I don't drive like an ***, and I don't want to go through the hassle of removing it. That, and I suspect Honda probably put a bit more thought into the design than Saturn did
you mentioned the mid 90's nissans, wich specifically referes to the altimas where people in the passenger seat were struck by deploying airbags. they went blind and suffered severe injuries. see my origional statment "you do not get hit by an airbag, you hit the airbag." nissan paid out alot of money for settlements on that little snafoo in the altima. that was also not a direct hit from the airbag, it was a deployment from top to bottom across the face. there is tremendous force behind an airbag. ive seen my fair share of them deploy and tested them. a face UP bag will easily go 15 feet into the air if deployed outside the car.
no **** seatbelts are designed to work, but have you ever seen how much movment your neck has in an accident? maybe i should have said whiplash hurts more than you hitting the airbag. i never said all collisions will result in steering wheel or windshield impact but sometimes you need to be graphic for these kids to understand whats going on when they remove things that are designed to be there just for the cool JDM steering wheel they want to put in. seatbelts are designed to give (stretch) in the event of a severe impact to decelerate the body but there is nothing there to decelerate your head except your neck and if there is nothing in front of your head to stop movment thats when bad things happen.
i dont know what circumstances you are referring to or how i "was never there" because i was never talking about something that happened to you or someone you know etc. im saying people do not get hit by airbags on a regular basis ESPICALLY now that airbags have been in use for several years and things like weight and impact sensors are being used. children and small adults dying from airbag impacts (because they like to sit close to the dash sometimes) are the reason there is an on/off switch for some newer vehicles and the weight sensor in the passenger seat for most new car/trucks.
Modified by Kamin at 3:33 PM 2/14/2006
02-14-2006, 04:00 PM
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I'm not defending taking airbags out specifically but there is a side to this arguement that has never really made alot of sense to me. People talk all this mad **** on how taking airbags out makes it so much more unsafe and how you are an idiot if you remove a factory installed airbag and blah, blah, blah... What about people that choose to drive pre-airbag vehicles? Someone is such a dumbass because they remove their airbag but someone who chooses to drive a car that didn't come with an airbag is cool? I understand the whole insurance aspect and for that reason I would not remove my airbag. So I guess my point is that just because someone takes out there airbag doesn't make them any more dumb than someone who drives a car that's not equipped with them. They are making a concious decision to take out an additional safety device and that's their choice. The reason certain vehicles on the cusp of airbags being required in vehicles have them, is because of US regulations. Look at JDM EG's, they don't come with airbags equipped in the steering wheel. I guess that means all the Japanese people who drive those cars are idiots because the US counterparts of the same years have them from the factory. Like I said not defending just bringing up a point that never seems to be addressed every time this comes up.
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I live in TX and i have bought a wrecked car w/airbags blown, but it was not a problem when i went to get it inspected! It is your car so do what you want to with it.
02-14-2006, 06:05 PM
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to my understanding, its LEGAL in CA to not have airbags in an airbag equipped car if say you were in an accident and the bags deployed, then you took it out. assuming your car was not completely totalled of course. someone correct me if i'm wrong?
02-14-2006, 06:05 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 20_sec.hatch »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I live in TX and i have bought a wrecked car w/airbags blown, but it was not a problem when i went to get it inspected! It is your car so do what you want to with it.</TD></TR></TABLE>
thats because it was in an accident. you cant remove WORKING airbags from a car. you dont have to replace them if they blow in an accident but must inform the insurance company.
thats because it was in an accident. you cant remove WORKING airbags from a car. you dont have to replace them if they blow in an accident but must inform the insurance company.
02-14-2006, 07:55 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Kamin »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
that was a whole lot of talking with not many points being made.
you mentioned the mid 90's nissans, wich specifically referes to the altimas where people in the passenger seat were struck by deploying airbags. they went blind and suffered severe injuries. see my origional statment "you do not get hit by an airbag, you hit the airbag." nissan paid out alot of money for settlements on that little snafoo in the altima. that was also not a direct hit from the airbag, it was a deployment from top to bottom across the face. there is tremendous force behind an airbag. ive seen my fair share of them deploy and tested them. a face UP bag will easily go 15 feet into the air if deployed outside the car.
no **** seatbelts are designed to work, but have you ever seen how much movment your neck has in an accident? maybe i should have said whiplash hurts more than you hitting the airbag. i never said all collisions will result in steering wheel or windshield impact but sometimes you need to be graphic for these kids to understand whats going on when they remove things that are designed to be there just for the cool JDM steering wheel they want to put in. seatbelts are designed to give (stretch) in the event of a severe impact to decelerate the body but there is nothing there to decelerate your head except your neck and if there is nothing in front of your head to stop movment thats when bad things happen.
i dont know what circumstances you are referring to or how i "was never there" because i was never talking about something that happened to you or someone you know etc. im saying people do not get hit by airbags on a regular basis ESPICALLY now that airbags have been in use for several years and things like weight and impact sensors are being used. children and small adults dying from airbag impacts (because they like to sit close to the dash sometimes) are the reason there is an on/off switch for some newer vehicles and the weight sensor in the passenger seat for most new car/trucks.
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As for the nissans, it wasn't just the altimas that had problems... Nissan Hardbodies and a few other models had problems, too, and it was not isolated to the driver's side.
I'm not really trying to call you out on this.... It's just that my views are closer to those expressed by NineTwoSi. If the car could pass muster without airbags, then is it necessary to have them in it? When we speak of EG chassis vehicles, we aren't talking about the uber modern airbags with variable inflation rates and extra sensors in the system..... if they get the signal to blow, they blow.
I think that to debate whether or not airbags should be removed is largely futile. It mainly depends on the person doing it, and whether or not they are willing to accept the risks involved. Regardless of whether or not there is an airbag there, if you get into a collision that would cause it to deploy, you will be hurting. Hell.... you'd be hurting from less of a collision than that. No, airbags are not fun. Neither is a wreck w/o them.
Basically, if you want them gone, take them out. There are ways to do it legally, but most don't bother to go that route. You accept any consequences incurred by removing them for whatever reason. I'm sick of seeing this debated with no real answers or sign of conclusion.
that was a whole lot of talking with not many points being made.
you mentioned the mid 90's nissans, wich specifically referes to the altimas where people in the passenger seat were struck by deploying airbags. they went blind and suffered severe injuries. see my origional statment "you do not get hit by an airbag, you hit the airbag." nissan paid out alot of money for settlements on that little snafoo in the altima. that was also not a direct hit from the airbag, it was a deployment from top to bottom across the face. there is tremendous force behind an airbag. ive seen my fair share of them deploy and tested them. a face UP bag will easily go 15 feet into the air if deployed outside the car.
no **** seatbelts are designed to work, but have you ever seen how much movment your neck has in an accident? maybe i should have said whiplash hurts more than you hitting the airbag. i never said all collisions will result in steering wheel or windshield impact but sometimes you need to be graphic for these kids to understand whats going on when they remove things that are designed to be there just for the cool JDM steering wheel they want to put in. seatbelts are designed to give (stretch) in the event of a severe impact to decelerate the body but there is nothing there to decelerate your head except your neck and if there is nothing in front of your head to stop movment thats when bad things happen.
i dont know what circumstances you are referring to or how i "was never there" because i was never talking about something that happened to you or someone you know etc. im saying people do not get hit by airbags on a regular basis ESPICALLY now that airbags have been in use for several years and things like weight and impact sensors are being used. children and small adults dying from airbag impacts (because they like to sit close to the dash sometimes) are the reason there is an on/off switch for some newer vehicles and the weight sensor in the passenger seat for most new car/trucks.
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As for the nissans, it wasn't just the altimas that had problems... Nissan Hardbodies and a few other models had problems, too, and it was not isolated to the driver's side.
I'm not really trying to call you out on this.... It's just that my views are closer to those expressed by NineTwoSi. If the car could pass muster without airbags, then is it necessary to have them in it? When we speak of EG chassis vehicles, we aren't talking about the uber modern airbags with variable inflation rates and extra sensors in the system..... if they get the signal to blow, they blow.
I think that to debate whether or not airbags should be removed is largely futile. It mainly depends on the person doing it, and whether or not they are willing to accept the risks involved. Regardless of whether or not there is an airbag there, if you get into a collision that would cause it to deploy, you will be hurting. Hell.... you'd be hurting from less of a collision than that. No, airbags are not fun. Neither is a wreck w/o them.
Basically, if you want them gone, take them out. There are ways to do it legally, but most don't bother to go that route. You accept any consequences incurred by removing them for whatever reason. I'm sick of seeing this debated with no real answers or sign of conclusion.
02-14-2006, 08:11 PM
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02-14-2006, 09:01 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by qat727 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">As for the nissans, it wasn't just the altimas that had problems... Nissan Hardbodies and a few other models had problems, too, and it was not isolated to the driver's side.
I'm not really trying to call you out on this.... It's just that my views are closer to those expressed by NineTwoSi. If the car could pass muster without airbags, then is it necessary to have them in it? When we speak of EG chassis vehicles, we aren't talking about the uber modern airbags with variable inflation rates and extra sensors in the system..... if they get the signal to blow, they blow.
I think that to debate whether or not airbags should be removed is largely futile. It mainly depends on the person doing it, and whether or not they are willing to accept the risks involved. Regardless of whether or not there is an airbag there, if you get into a collision that would cause it to deploy, you will be hurting. Hell.... you'd be hurting from less of a collision than that. No, airbags are not fun. Neither is a wreck w/o them.
Basically, if you want them gone, take them out. There are ways to do it legally, but most don't bother to go that route. You accept any consequences incurred by removing them for whatever reason. I'm sick of seeing this debated with no real answers or sign of conclusion. </TD></TR></TABLE>
ill agree to disagree here with a couple final words, i have no issue with removing airbags (my s14 dosent have them, but its 90% track. helmet + airbag = ow) i just think the majority of people on this website remove them for the incorrect reasons (see jdm tiite steering wheel) and dont go about doing it in the right way. i dont understand why people remove things that are there to help protect you in an accident. the serious injury rate of cars in accidents with and without airbags is a pretty significant difference, so while your argument is a seatbelt is fine mine is its alot safer with a seatbelt and airbag
I'm not really trying to call you out on this.... It's just that my views are closer to those expressed by NineTwoSi. If the car could pass muster without airbags, then is it necessary to have them in it? When we speak of EG chassis vehicles, we aren't talking about the uber modern airbags with variable inflation rates and extra sensors in the system..... if they get the signal to blow, they blow.
I think that to debate whether or not airbags should be removed is largely futile. It mainly depends on the person doing it, and whether or not they are willing to accept the risks involved. Regardless of whether or not there is an airbag there, if you get into a collision that would cause it to deploy, you will be hurting. Hell.... you'd be hurting from less of a collision than that. No, airbags are not fun. Neither is a wreck w/o them.
Basically, if you want them gone, take them out. There are ways to do it legally, but most don't bother to go that route. You accept any consequences incurred by removing them for whatever reason. I'm sick of seeing this debated with no real answers or sign of conclusion. </TD></TR></TABLE>
ill agree to disagree here with a couple final words, i have no issue with removing airbags (my s14 dosent have them, but its 90% track. helmet + airbag = ow) i just think the majority of people on this website remove them for the incorrect reasons (see jdm tiite steering wheel) and dont go about doing it in the right way. i dont understand why people remove things that are there to help protect you in an accident. the serious injury rate of cars in accidents with and without airbags is a pretty significant difference, so while your argument is a seatbelt is fine mine is its alot safer with a seatbelt and airbag
02-14-2006, 09:11 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Kamin »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
ill agree to disagree here with a couple final words, i have no issue with removing airbags (my s14 dosent have them, but its 90% track. helmet + airbag = ow) i just think the majority of people on this website remove them for the incorrect reasons (see jdm tiite steering wheel) and dont go about doing it in the right way. i dont understand why people remove things that are there to help protect you in an accident. the serious injury rate of cars in accidents with and without airbags is a pretty significant difference, so while your argument is a seatbelt is fine mine is its alot safer with a seatbelt and airbag
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I'll give you that.... Airbags can and do help in many accidents..... my cars still have them, and that is one of the reasons I kept them. Seat belts = sufficient in most cases. Air bags = hope like hell you don't need them, but they could make a difference between walking away and not.....
Perhaps my beef with airbags is mainly resolved with newer designs. When they deploy when they shouldn't, they scare the **** out of people. Once bit, twice shy....
ill agree to disagree here with a couple final words, i have no issue with removing airbags (my s14 dosent have them, but its 90% track. helmet + airbag = ow) i just think the majority of people on this website remove them for the incorrect reasons (see jdm tiite steering wheel) and dont go about doing it in the right way. i dont understand why people remove things that are there to help protect you in an accident. the serious injury rate of cars in accidents with and without airbags is a pretty significant difference, so while your argument is a seatbelt is fine mine is its alot safer with a seatbelt and airbag
</TD></TR></TABLE>I'll give you that.... Airbags can and do help in many accidents..... my cars still have them, and that is one of the reasons I kept them. Seat belts = sufficient in most cases. Air bags = hope like hell you don't need them, but they could make a difference between walking away and not.....
Perhaps my beef with airbags is mainly resolved with newer designs. When they deploy when they shouldn't, they scare the **** out of people. Once bit, twice shy....
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