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Old 09-06-2011, 03:36 PM
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Which one should I get, 70w80 or 75w90 it castrol gear oil.
Stock 210k

Which one is fine? Not looking to get Honda tran fluid. Read forum said castrol is better
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What? On a different forum, I just read you "Can" used gear oil. I just purchased mobile 1 75w90 LS from autozone

Mines is a 5 speed, want to flush my tranny fluid.

What wrong with gear fluid?

This is the site I read it from..
http://www.civicforums.com/forums/7-...id-change.html

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75w-90 will be sufficient. Most people freak out when you mention using 'gear oil' in a transmission but that is because they are confusing differential oil (80w-140/85w-140) with gearBOX oil (75w-90/80w-90). The viscosity of 75w-90 is similar to 10w-40 but the main differences are the ingredients that are added to assist with synchro life and lubricating/cooling helical gears or gear boxes (transmission).

I have been using Castrol 75w-90 GL4 in my Honda transmissions since '94 without any synchro related failures. I also run Castrol 80w-90 GL5 in my STi.
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http://www.teammfactory.com/oil-myth

One of the most commonly brought up questions from our customers is what gear oil to use in their freshly built Honda Transmission. Our reply to this question has always been: DON'T! "He must be crazy", you are probably thinking, but there is a simple explanation for this answer:
After a comprehensive analysis, we can conclude that a large number of drivers out there use the completely wrong fluid. The lubrication system in the Honda transmission was designed to use engine oil, and this has not been changed for any of their transmissions. What this means is that, in order for the gears, shafts, bearings, hubs/sliders to be lubricated as intended, a low viscosity transmission fluid must be used, regardless of whether it is synchronous engagement or dog engagement.
Basically, you MUST use the correct transmission fluid in a Honda Transmission and should not use a performance gear oil as it is too thick and does more damage than good. Performance Gear Oils also lack the additives necessary for the smooth running of the synchronous engagement system, as well as a lot of them containining chemicals which disintegrate the brass synchro rings. This is not common knowledge because customers are led to believe marketing and/or technical advice related to your typically large hypoid transmissions, NOT your specialist Honda Transmission.
For most cases where the vehicle is an unmodified Street Car, the OEM Honda MTF (Manual Transmission Fluid) is more than adequate. The problem arises when you start putting either higher power or higher rpm shifting through the transmission. Not only must you still keep within the tolerances of the oem lubrication system, you must also protect the transmission from shock loads. Using Performance Gear Oil is the Number 2 Reason (after incorrect installation) that is directly responsible for most transmission failures (i.e the Cause), subsequently leading to a part failure (i.e the Symptom).
Unfortunately, most consumers tend to follow the advice of your so-called "Performance Specialist" who are only concerned about the symptoms, rather than the cause, and usually end up recommending big-brand (and often expensive) performance gear oils. This is a 100% NO GO on a Honda Transmission. Although GL4 & GL5 Rated Gear Oils contain shock protection additives, they are also too thick for the oem Honda lubrication system. The engagement system (synchronous vs dog) is irrelevant in this case. Lubrication is the key word here.
A basic analogy would be: Oil is your transmissions blood supply and needs to flow smoothly. Clog it up with cholesterol (i.e thick gear oil), and it will have a heart attack. Not enough Iron (i.e shock additives), and it will get anaemic/weak.



I use regular ol' HG MTF. No reason to use anything else, really.
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So, should I go back and exchange to mobile 1 5w30 full syenhetic(sp.) engine oil or just stick with what I have now. GearBOX oil mobile 1 full syn 75w90 LS?

I know HG mtf is fine but just prefer mobile 1.
Any sug would you prefer?
Engine oil or gearbox oil
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NO !!!!! You do NOT run syntheitc oil in a honda transmission or any transmission unlesss it comes from the factory with synthetic gear oil. It ends up being to slick and causes sleeve failure very quickly. Run honda MTL or straight conventional 10w30 or conventional with zinc addative
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Originally Posted by It Wasn't Me
http://www.teammfactory.com/oil-myth





I use regular ol' HG MTF. No reason to use anything else, really.
The Torco MTF (Torco PN A257590) associated with the MFactory link is SAE 75W-90 GL4 so its inclusion does not support your argument. Torco SGO PN A257590CE is the synthetic 75W-90 version so do NOT use it on Honda transmissions.

Torco gear box oils come in 75w, 80w, 85w, 75w-90, and 80w-90. The other '-140' gear oils are for differentials that are housed by themselves.


I will continue to use the 75W-90 GL4 gear box oil that my diff manufacturer (a company that works very closely with Honda) recommends. 17 years without a problem is good enough for me. And yes, I have driven the screaming monkey snot out of most of the cars that I have owned (EF6/EF7/EF8/EF9/several DC2's) without any transmission failures due to using 75w-90 gear box oil.
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Originally Posted by shawnlee250
So, should I go back and exchange to mobile 1 5w30 full syenhetic(sp.) engine oil or just stick with what I have now. GearBOX oil mobile 1 full syn 75w90 LS?

I know HG mtf is fine but just prefer mobile 1.
Any sug would you prefer?
Engine oil or gearbox oil
In my own honest opinion.... you have 210,000 miles on your car, right..? It's probably been running on regular Honda MTF. Logically thinking, one would use the same lubrication, and have a run at another 210,000 miles.... Right? Thats just me thinking simply and logically.

Next, I read the input from It Wasn't Me... Which clearly states not to use gear oil or gearbox oil... and it comes with perfectly good explainations as to why we shouldnt use it on our transmissions. My logical thinking kicks in again... Don't use gearbox oil.... Although it might seem like a good idea, and many people swear by it (or swear my using Mobil1) and say they've been using it for the past 17 years or so... Just use what was made for your car. It couldnt hurt.

...Now... One question that arises(and makes me very curious) when I look into this further is, GL4 hold a 75W-90 weight... The MTF Bottle in the link also says GL4. Im also looking at the Amsoil website and it has "Manual Transmission and Transaxle Gear Lube 75W-90 API GL-4" (but thats gear lube which we shouldnt use, rght?) .... So my question is regardless of the weight being, GL4 75W-90, we should stick to manual transmission fluid and not manual gear lube, not gear box oil.... just MANUAL TRANSMISSION FLUID PERIOD... Right?
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You can not rely solely on the word fluid, oil or lube because many manufacturers will misuse it in their advertisement. Why

Call it whatever you want (fluid, oil, MTF, monkey snot) but the liquid that cools, lubricates and reduces friction in a Honda MT is 75w-90 GL4.

Research Torco MTF PN A257590 (or its MSDS) and you will get more info.
Manual transmission = gear box
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One more question, and this might have already been answered but I may have overlooked it.... Why cant we use full synthetic lubricant?
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Default Re: Gearbox oil

Originally Posted by shawnlee250
So, should I go back and exchange to mobile 1 5w30 full syenhetic(sp.) engine oil or just stick with what I have now. GearBOX oil mobile 1 full syn 75w90 LS?

I know HG mtf is fine but just prefer mobile 1.
Any sug would you prefer?
Engine oil or gearbox oil
Actually, in this scenario, HG MTF is going to be FAR superior than Mobile 1 ever could be. Your preferences aside, choose something that won't cost you a small fortune in repairs further down the road.
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In the past iver personally run mobil 1 in a honda manual gear box and it caused failure and grinding. it just doesnt work well plain and simple
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Originally Posted by Dee
The Torco MTF (Torco PN A257590) associated with the MFactory link is SAE 75W-90 GL4 so its inclusion does not support your argument.
Just something I stumbled across while Googling.

Originally Posted by Dee
I will continue to use the 75W-90 GL4 gear box oil that my diff manufacturer (a company that works very closely with Honda) recommends. 17 years without a problem is good enough for me. And yes, I have driven the screaming monkey snot out of most of the cars that I have owned (EF6/EF7/EF8/EF9/several DC2's) without any transmission failures due to using 75w-90 gear box oil.
Originally Posted by Dee
Call it whatever you want (fluid, oil, MTF, monkey snot) but the liquid that cools, lubricates and reduces friction in a Honda MT is 75w-90 GL4.
I think the primary issue are the additives which are in (or not in) the fluid that make it acceptable to use. I can recall the topic being discussed before, as well as this being mentioned. Using the factory recommended fluid takes the guesswork out of it.

While you may or may not have experienced any problems from using gearbox oil, I will continue to use factory MTF. As mentioned earlier, I find that there is simply no reason to use something else.
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might not be too helpful but I had a grind from 2nd to 3rd in my d17a1 transmission and i put new honda MTF in it and it helped a lot.
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Thank for the info and reply, I'll just probably grab the HG MTF instead.

The main reason I want to change is because, recently I made a thread about my civic and it was making whining and humming sound. My bro was thinking it can be the wheel bearing, axel or tranny. Just want to be on the safe side with the tranny since mines is high milage

It does sound it coming from the tran. It whin when I accerate and roll. Till this day I haven't let my mechanic look under the car to see what he think. I will try find out soon.

Tran shift good, no type of grind, pop out anything I know of. Just the whining noise scary the hell outta me. It whin all the time. Constantly.

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