01 possibly in limp mode, ideas?
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01 possibly in limp mode, ideas?
It's a 2001 2.3L ULEV Accord. The cat has been bad for a while, lots of rattling.
Cliff notes of events:
I was trying to replace my cat.
I had my car up on ramps with the battery on, playing music.
I removed the secondary o2 sensor.
I beat the hell out of my old cats rusted bolts, even cut one with a sawzall, and failed to remove anything.
I put the o2 sensor back in.
My battery had been running the radio for about 3 hours.
Error codes:
Once I started the car my CEL was on and D4 was blinking. I checked the codes and got:
70)
P0700, P0715, P0720, P0725, P0730, P0740, P0753, P0758, P0763, P0780 A/T Concerns
P1660 A/T FI Signal A Circuit Failure
20)
P1297 Electrical Load Detector Circuit Low Input
P1298 Electrical Load Detector Circuit High Input
41)
P0135 Front HO2S Heater Circuit Fault (Sensor 1)
P1166 Primary HO2S (No. 1) Heater System Electrical
P1167 Primary HO2S (No. 1) Heater System
and 65)
P0141 Secondary HO2S Heater Circuit Fault (Sensor 2)
I was unable to find the meaning of the TCM code from the D4 light, I'm pretty sure it blinked 16.
Original symptoms:
The physical symptoms that I've seen are that the transmission clunks when going over, and especially when going into, reverse. It feels like hitting a speed bump too fast. The power is also severely limited, I can't get past 2500 RPM. Highest speed I've taken it to was 40, not sure how much higher it would go.
Logic would seem to dictate that I fried my secondary o2 sensor somehow, but I've never heard of that causing these kinds of problems. Any help?
Symptoms update:
I decided to try to drive down the road to pick up a new o2 sensor. I got to about 55 mph, but the interior and exterior lights became progressively dimmer and the speedometer started waving around like a loon. I turned around to head back home, but the power was significantly less, I made it to maybe 10 mph before pulling over. My car is now dead in someones yard. I jumped it which did start the engine, so I'm guessing that means the dizzy is fine, but it quickly lost power and died again. So alternator?
Possibly useful info:
I think it would be a pretty odd coincidence if removing the o2 sensor had nothing to do with this. Maybe I damaged the wire on the sensor, shorted it, and caused damage somewhere else? It may be worth noting that I have noticed I'm missing 1 or 2 ground wires on the engine. The alternator also always seemed to be weak (head lights would dim when raising a window).
I can't change the title but I think this should now be "01 limped and died"....
Cliff notes of events:
I was trying to replace my cat.
I had my car up on ramps with the battery on, playing music.
I removed the secondary o2 sensor.
I beat the hell out of my old cats rusted bolts, even cut one with a sawzall, and failed to remove anything.
I put the o2 sensor back in.
My battery had been running the radio for about 3 hours.
Error codes:
Once I started the car my CEL was on and D4 was blinking. I checked the codes and got:
70)
P0700, P0715, P0720, P0725, P0730, P0740, P0753, P0758, P0763, P0780 A/T Concerns
P1660 A/T FI Signal A Circuit Failure
20)
P1297 Electrical Load Detector Circuit Low Input
P1298 Electrical Load Detector Circuit High Input
41)
P0135 Front HO2S Heater Circuit Fault (Sensor 1)
P1166 Primary HO2S (No. 1) Heater System Electrical
P1167 Primary HO2S (No. 1) Heater System
and 65)
P0141 Secondary HO2S Heater Circuit Fault (Sensor 2)
I was unable to find the meaning of the TCM code from the D4 light, I'm pretty sure it blinked 16.
Original symptoms:
The physical symptoms that I've seen are that the transmission clunks when going over, and especially when going into, reverse. It feels like hitting a speed bump too fast. The power is also severely limited, I can't get past 2500 RPM. Highest speed I've taken it to was 40, not sure how much higher it would go.
Logic would seem to dictate that I fried my secondary o2 sensor somehow, but I've never heard of that causing these kinds of problems. Any help?
Symptoms update:
I decided to try to drive down the road to pick up a new o2 sensor. I got to about 55 mph, but the interior and exterior lights became progressively dimmer and the speedometer started waving around like a loon. I turned around to head back home, but the power was significantly less, I made it to maybe 10 mph before pulling over. My car is now dead in someones yard. I jumped it which did start the engine, so I'm guessing that means the dizzy is fine, but it quickly lost power and died again. So alternator?
Possibly useful info:
I think it would be a pretty odd coincidence if removing the o2 sensor had nothing to do with this. Maybe I damaged the wire on the sensor, shorted it, and caused damage somewhere else? It may be worth noting that I have noticed I'm missing 1 or 2 ground wires on the engine. The alternator also always seemed to be weak (head lights would dim when raising a window).
I can't change the title but I think this should now be "01 limped and died"....
Last edited by Kanga; 02-15-2015 at 05:15 PM.
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MM Gruppe B
Re: 01 possibly in limp mode, ideas?
No such code as P1660. MuthaFodder list is nice, but it has several errors.
Same as above.
The physical symptoms that I've seen are that the transmission clunks when going over, and especially when going into, reverse. It feels like hitting a speed bump too fast. The power is also severely limited, I can't get past 2500 RPM. Highest speed I've taken it to was 40, not sure how much higher it would go.
Symptoms update:
I decided to try to drive down the road to pick up a new o2 sensor. I got to about 55 mph, but the interior and exterior lights became progressively dimmer and the speedometer started waving around like a loon. I turned around to head back home, but the power was significantly less, I made it to maybe 10 mph before pulling over. My car is now dead in someones yard. I jumped it which did start the engine, so I'm guessing that means the dizzy is fine, but it quickly lost power and died again. So alternator?
I decided to try to drive down the road to pick up a new o2 sensor. I got to about 55 mph, but the interior and exterior lights became progressively dimmer and the speedometer started waving around like a loon. I turned around to head back home, but the power was significantly less, I made it to maybe 10 mph before pulling over. My car is now dead in someones yard. I jumped it which did start the engine, so I'm guessing that means the dizzy is fine, but it quickly lost power and died again. So alternator?
ELD controls alternator on/off time. It is most likely not charging. And you were only running off the battery.
I have a more appropriate title in mind, but I'm not going to kick you while you are down.
#3
Re: 01 possibly in limp mode, ideas?
Also, the D4 code is:
16. A/T Clutch Pressure Control Solenoid Valve A
#4
MM Gruppe B
Re: 01 possibly in limp mode, ideas?
The ELD is controlled by the ECM.
It is possible that you simply shorted out a circuit somewhere and blew a fuse.
Check your underhood fuse and relay boxes, as well as the two fuse panels in the passenger compartment, one in each foot well.
Mine is more 'colorful'.
#5
Re: 01 possibly in limp mode, ideas?
The funky socket that I used to get the o2 sensor off easily could have dug into the wires and shorted them. So it sounds like this is likely a simple electrical problem, e.g. something an idiot like me could handle without having the car towed to a mechanic?
Would there be any harm in charging the battery while connected, so I can then drive from the persons yard back to my house, and look over the fuses? It's only like a mile away. Or would I be potentially causing more serious damage?
Thank you for helping me.
Would there be any harm in charging the battery while connected, so I can then drive from the persons yard back to my house, and look over the fuses? It's only like a mile away. Or would I be potentially causing more serious damage?
Thank you for helping me.
#6
MM Gruppe B
Re: 01 possibly in limp mode, ideas?
If there is a short in the system it may take longer to charge the battery, slow drain.
Disconnect the battery terminals and just charge it that way, you might find something when moving the cables.
Disconnect the battery terminals and just charge it that way, you might find something when moving the cables.
#7
Re: 01 possibly in limp mode, ideas?
I charged the battery up and confirmed that the alternator wasn't giving juice by disconnecting the battery while the engine was running. I then drove it home, disconnected the battery, and started looking at fuses. I pulled the ELD, along with the two fuses next to it that hold it down. Everything looked fine. I checked the cabin fuses and my cruise control fuse was blown, though I think that's been blown for over a year now. Anyway, I replaced it.
Reconnected the battery to drive up on some ramps and replace the o2 sensor, but when I started it everything was back to normal. Does that make any sense? Did the ECM maybe just need to be cleared?
Reconnected the battery to drive up on some ramps and replace the o2 sensor, but when I started it everything was back to normal. Does that make any sense? Did the ECM maybe just need to be cleared?
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