wantboost

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For those too lazy to click the link lol.

MS3Pro with 8ft flying lead wiring harness - 1199.00



Link to full manual in PDF format:
http://www.ms3pro.com/_downloads/ms3...nual_1.4.0.pdf

Hardware features:

Freescale MC9S12X 16 bit, 50 MHz asymmetrical dual core processor
10 saturated injector drivers
8 logic level ignition outputs
3 high current (5 amp) general purpose outputs - 2 can be reconfigured as additional injector drivers
3 medium current (3 amp), high frequency general purpose outputs
All unused injector and ignition outputs can be used as SPARE outputs. This ECU has a LOT of I/O!
1 stepper H-bridge driver
Camshaft and crankshaft differential inputs - supports VR, Hall effect, and optical input
12 volt tach output
Fuel pump output
8 analog inputs (5 dedicated sensor inputs, 3 spare/general purpose)
4 spare digital on/off inputs
3 spare digital frequency inputs
2 knock sensor inputs
RS232, USB 2.0, and CAN communication
Onboard 8 gigabyte SD card for internal data logging
Internal ECU temperature sensor
Real time clock
Temperature range: -30 to +80 degrees C (-40 to +85 without battery for real time clock)

VE based tuning

No Static PW fuel tables with stacks and stacks of 'correction tables' required.
Very simple/logical approach to calibration minimizes tuning time required!

Speed Density, Alpha-N, MAF based tuning & blended algorithms

ITB Mode – blends SD and Alpha-N for excellent driveability with naturally aspirated, multiple throttle applications!
Custom blended strategies supported, mix/blend strategies to suit any engine
Fuel and spark advance algorithms can be set set independently
Up to 12 sequential saturated fuel injector outputs
Up to 12 cylinder sequential support
Any unused injector outputs can be used as high current digital or PWM outputs

Up to 8 sequential logic level ignition outputs

Supports single or dual coil distributor, wasted spark, and coil per plug
2D or 3D Table Views
The tuner can toggle between 2D or 3D table views with a single click

Individual cylinder fuel & spark trim tables

Per-cylinder, table based corrections for both ignition timing and fueling needs on a cylinder by cylinder basis. Correct for manifold airflow differences and fine tune each cylinder to perfection!
O2 sensors can be assigned per cylinder, allowing for perfect tuning and closed loop correction on a per cylinder basis

Table Switching

2 sets of user configurable tables for fuel, spark advance, and boost tables
Dual Fuel Support
Beyond table switching, adds control of 2nd fuel system (pump and injectors), and adds 2nd settings for injector characterization; fuel stoichometric point; priming, warmup, cranking, and afterstart settings; alternate acceleration enrichment tables; boost tables; and overboost protection settings.

VVT Control (4 channels)
Open loop VVT control for 2-position camshafts
Closed loop control for fully variable camshafts
Controls up to 4 total VVT camshafts
Generic Wheel Decoder allows for support of nearly any standard trigger/aftermarket trigger pattern. 60-2, 36-1, 8-1, 4-1, pretty much anything!

Supports 50+ specialty OEM and aftermarket ignition systems using factory cam/crank wheels and sensors.

GM LS 24x
GM LS 58x
GM 7x
Toyota/Lexus 2JZ VVTi
Ford EDIS
Ford Zetec VCT
Chrysler 420A/Neon
Chrysler New Hemi 36-2+2
Dodge Viper V10
Subaru 6/7
Subaru 36-2-2-2
Mitusbishi 6G72
Mitsubishi 4G63
GM OptiSpark
Nissan SR20
Nissan RB25
Nissan VQ35DE
Nissan QR25DE
Yamaha YZF1000
Honda TSX/D17
Honda KA24A2
Honda RC51/S2000
Mazda Miata NA
Mazda Miata NB1 and NB2 (VVT)
Harley Davidson 32-2 V-Twin (uses MAP for phase detection)
Not a complete list — Many more supported trigger wheels
Support for oddfire and evenfire engines
Capable of controlling evenfire, oddfire, piston, rotary, and even radial engines
Fuel Only Mode
Disables ignition output features for control of fuel injection only

Internal SDCard high-speed data logging

No need for external datalogger!
8GB standard memory. Easily expandable to 16GB
Real time clock calender system for time and date stamped datalogs
Up to 28 channels at 100hz
No need to remove SD-Card to pull logs, pull them straight across the serial/USB cable to your laptop!

Traction Control – Multiple Strategies

Perfect Run (VSS over time)
Perfect Run RPM (Slew Control for classes where VSS is not allowed)
VSS % slip (compares front to rear or driveshaft speed)
Configurable Responses

E85 flex fuel sensor input

Extremely configurable for excellent performance and drieveability regardless of fuel gasoline versus ethanol content.
Compatible with easy to find GM flex fuel sensor
Configurable flex blend curve allows blending of fuel tables, spark advance tables, afr target tables, alternate start and warmup settings, boost and overboost tables, and acceleration enrichment settings based on the exact concentration of ethanol in fuel

Compatible with YOUR wideband O2 controller.

You choose the wideband controller you want without being locked down. From the super cost effective to the mid-range, to full lab grade capability.
Long Term Fuel Trim
OE Style automatic fuel trim to allow for changes in engine over time
High Power Time Enrichment
Allows for richer mixture after extended time in high power
Helps control cylinder and piston temperatures
Fully user configurable

Multiple Acceleration Enrichment Strategies

Basic time based and accel pump style AE
Advanced wall wetting model based (X-Tau and EAE) acceleration enrichment options
Staged Injection Control
Seamless transition to 2nd stage injectors for high power applications
Multiple user configurable strategies

Nitrous control strategies

2 channels of configurable staged or progressive control
Supports wet or dry nitrous systems
Add fuel, pull timing, etc.

Three-step rev limiter with flat shift

Burnout Limiter
Launch Limiter
Redline Limiter
Line lock output
Flat Shift allows for No-Lift Shifting (holds RPM between shifts)
Trans Brake and Bump Box Control
No need for a separate box!
User configurable settings and reactions
Advanced Launch Control strategies
Digital switch based arming
Wheel speed based launch arming for rolling starts
Configurable timing retard after launch
Pit Lane Limiter
Speed limiter for pit lane, reduces engine power by spark retard/cut or fuel cut
Can limit based on VSS or RPM if no VSS input is available
Rally style turbo anti-lag with rotational idle
Allows cyclic fuel and spark cut
Controls idle valve and configurable outputs for external fuel or air supply

Boost Control – Multiple open & closed loop strategies

Table based open loop (DC solenoid control)
Table based closed loop (Target specific boost pressures by load/rpm)
Switchable boost tables for high/low boost options at the flip of a switch
Boost by Gear
Boost by Speed
Sequential shift spark cut
Configurable spark and fuel cut during shift
Solenoid output control for air shifter/drag application
Automatic shift point mode
Configurable per gear delay

Idle Control – Multiple open & closed loop strategies

Simple On/Off Idle Valve
PWM 2 or 3 wire valves
Stepper Motor 4 or 6 wire valves

Water and Methanol Injection

Configurable to use a variety of water/meth pumps
Table based injection allows for variable water/meth injection based on load and rpm
Low fluid level detection safety measures

Fuel Pump Control

“On/off” control of single or multiple stage pumps
PWM control of OE variable speed/pressure pumps

Intelligent Knock Detection and Response – 2 channels

Dual DSP based knock inputs with bandpass filters and dynamically adjustable gain
Noise threshold based
Windowed monitoring allows for detection of which cylinder knock occurred on
Adjustable ignition retard (course and fine responses)
Knock correction per cylinder (sequential ignition must be enabled)

Multiple Engine Protection and fault mode strategies

Check Engine Light activation (solid and flash codes supported)
Low Oil Pressure Warning System (illuminates CEL)
Limp Home Mode
Set low/high limits for all major sensors and activate engine limp mode or shut down responses
Water/Meth Injection Low fluid Level
IAT
CLT
TPS
MAP
Battery Voltage
Wideband O2 / AFR Safety
Sync Loss
EGT
Flex Fuel
Intelligent Knock Detection and Correction (see relevant topic above for more info)

Generous spare I/O for any standard/custom I/O needs

Configurable On/Off (digital) and PWM outputs
Control any relay controlled device or solenoid
Fan Control (multiple)
Intercooler cooling spray (CO2/etc)
Torque Converter (TCC) Lockup
Auxiliary Fuel Pump
Multipupose/Generic Closed Loop Control Outputs
Spare analog inputs for external sensors
Supports standard automotive temperature or pressure sensors
Air Conditioner Control with feed-forward Idle-Up
Proactively increases idle vale duty cycle (PWM valves) or number of steps (stepper valves) before activating A/C compressor
Automatic compressor shutoff at programmable throttle position or RPM thresholds
Automatic cooling fan activation with A/C, user configurable
Cooling Fan Control
Programmable fan on and off activation points
Can be configured to run fan with engine running only, or when engine is running and not running
Feed-forward idle up for use with large, high demand fans
Configurable fan deactivation based on TPS or VSS
Alternator Field Control/Voltage Regulation
Multiple open and closed loop strategies
Configurable voltage and temperature monitoring
Seperate target voltages for afterstart, normal operation, over run, and WOT
Warning lamp output if voltage is above or below target
Comprehensive Test Modes
Test all outputs for proper functionality and verify wiring before starting the engine
Controls all fuel injector outputs, ignition outputs, idle valve, and general purpose outputs
Outputs can be tested for on & off or PWM pulse functionality
Injector and spark disable mode, allows checking for suspected problematic cylinder by electronically preventing combustion event

CAN Support for I/O expansion – virtually limitless I/O capability!

Up to 16 EGT inputs via CAN Expansion
Add fuel/engine shutdown capable

CAN Support for 3rd party dash devices

Currently offers support for AIM, Race Technology, Traqmate, and Race Capture. Racepak is in the works.
Pre-defined “simple” as well as fully configurable CAN broadcasting modes
Standard 11-bit message headers
Allows for simple integration with any 3rd party devices

Android Compatible

Use your Android phone or tablet as your dashboard or datalogger
Allows accelerometer and GPS data overlaid on your datalogs
Requires Android device and serial to bluetooth adapter, not included

Self Calibration

VEAnalyze Live feature is capable of automatically tuning fuel (VE) tables in real time

Fully Enabled

MS3-Pro comes fully loaded and fully enabled, there are no additional features to "unlock" or hidden upcharges to gain access to any functionality.

Compact, Efficient & Robust Design

Small form factor, appx 7” x 4” x 2”, only weighs about a half a pound!
Circuitry optimized for efficiency, low power usage, and no generation of heat

No Dark Current!

No power draw when system is off. MS3-Pro will not discharge your expensive race battery when your vehicle is in storage.

Field Upgradeable Firmware – enable newly added features with a simple firmware update!

Firmware is constantly under development and updates are easy to load via simple software interface.

m4xwellmurd3r

Megasquirt. One ecu to run them all.

There's even a video on YouTube of someone using the mini version of MS to run a Briggs 5hp engine.

If you can get passed the diy nature of it, it is a VERY powerful ems. The guys over at Hybridz.org LOVE megasquirt and pretty much any serious builder there uses megasquirt. Be it for the L series engines, or whatever swap they can stuff into the S30 chassis spacious engine bay.

wantboost

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See the thing with the Pro is they've entirely removed the DIY aspect.

There's even a guy who made a 1/4 scale fuel injected V8 that's running Megasquirt.

Video of it here and his V10 progress.


Video of the V8 after further tuning.


It even has a functional alternator, water pump and cooling system, dry sump oiling system, TPS sensor, crank angle sensor, etc. Basically everything a full size engine has. Dude has mad skills.

welfarepc

My experiences with AEM Infinity is pretty good so far. Worth looking into for sure.

turbohatch96y7

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Can you expand a little more? Have you used a v2 ? What are the main differences besides the ve tuning?

wantboost

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I'm not paid to do anything for DIYAutotune... I just like the product. It isn't just rebranded like AEM does and it beats the big expensive companies at their own games.

rico91stang

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Wow. Megasquirt looks kinda cool. Makes me second guess a proefi.

wantboost

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They have been trying to shed that whole DIY look and compete with the "mainstream" standalone companies. It took DIYAutotune a lot of time and effort to redesign and repackage the ecu and personally I think they killed it

One cool thing is how small the ecu is, makes it easy to place it nearly anywhere, especially for people who hide the ecu so thieves can't steal it or see it. The case and connectors are also 100% waterproof. Their display ecu at PRI stays submerged in a fish tank while running a mechanical display setup.

tepid1

I've had a bunch of EMS's in the day. Crome, Neptune, AEM, Motec M4, Motec M800 and now the Motec m150.

I'd highly recommend the M130 to anyone that want the best, but at a great and competitive price.

The way that Motec setup their new EMS's make them a powerhouse. Actions are fast, logging is rediculous fast (2000Hz), and super flexible.

I wouldn't use anything else after going m1

rico91stang

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Have you tried PROEFI or megasquirt?

wantboost

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MoTeC is nice but obviously tarded expensive. Pectel makes amazing standalones as well (what a lot of the WRC cars run) but again are seriously expensive and well outside what 99% of the Hond world will spend.

rico91stang

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M1s are $3500+. What can it do that cheaper options cant?

tepid1

Whatever you get make sure it's VE based tuning. You'll thank me later. IE: M1, AEM Infinity, Link G4+ etc

It's not necessarily what it does, but how it does it. The stuff going on in the background is just as important as what the user sees. Motel has simplified the calculations and made it unlike any other EMS. It's processing power and data throughput is unreal.

Wherever you got that $3500+ from is highly inaccurate. Just a little fyi

I have a friends car that is on Pro EFI. Not a fan of how they do their cut logic and don't care for how the program is laid out. Not user friendly IMO. However, it's very flexible in terms of what it can do out of the box.

Megasquirt, no, never used it and never will. I'll spend the money on something that is far superior.

AZ_CIVIC

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Couldn't agree more, I just finished up my Liberty Bellhousing and PPG Gearset, so for now I will continue to run Hondata V3. Locash highly suggests at this point my car move over to Motec. This will be next on the list but that again will be another 8 to 10K when said and done LOL.

However, I am looking forward to when I can actually get a Motec box in my car.

Flr Power

I found that Pectel and Motec are faster to adopt the latest technology (drive by wire, direct injection and sophisticated traction control) but can be expensive for a street car. The relationship between firmware to ECU hardware is most important.

You do not need all the latest technology in a car to have fun. But if you’re racing for trophy then...
However, from all the ECU mentioned in this tread, the AEM infinity is a really good one for the price.

wantboost

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The AEM Infinity is just Engine Labs EMS with a different name on it. Granted AEM had to dumb down the software a lot and pre populate it with tables and everything. Since EngineLab created and marketed the EMS as a universal solution for high end racing the original software was "blank". It didn't have anything in the way of even ignition or fuel tables. Each end user had to create their own tables and features.

Getting the software simplified enough to where every feature was already created and so the average tuner and end user could actually use the software is what took them so long to bring it to market.

kart_driver

if you wanna something simple and efficient go Fueltech EMS. So easy to tune!!!

Flr Power

The Map sensing connection looks so weak.

wantboost

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Yea I glanced over FuelTech and wasn't really impressed personally.