Hasport

how does one "improperly" install mounts? what kind of "garbage" mount would have caused that to happen?

in the above picture the mount looks stock and properly installed

point is had the torque mount been there the engine would not have fallen like it did

phaphon

I'm sure it will help to have torque mounts I still run them . But that can also happen when dumb people only use 1 or 2 bolts to hold the mount bracket

NotARaCist

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The block elbow looks to be still intact, the driver side mount is obviously still intact, so that means the studs ripped out, or stripped out. The shear force being applied to that mount is minimal - there is no lateral movement to the engine unless you're doing something REALLY stupid. The rear mount absorbs and prevents rotational forces strong enough to break those studs.

Fact of the matter is, the chassis side of the mount looks to be perfectly healthy, so either the studs stripped or rotated out of the L bracket, the L bracket was stripped off the motor, or the nuts stripped or rotated off the studs. Either is easily prevented by always using fresh hardware, and properly installing said hardware.

For someone who works in the mount industry, you sure seem pretty ignorant about mounts and how they work...you know the different functions of a motor mount vs. a torque mount, right? You know how to visually inspect for damaged or defective mounts before they fail, right? The torque mount isn't there to "back up" the engine mount if it fails.

silverstreek81

i'm wondering if all the high horsepower cars are usingg the torque/front/lower mounts or not. most of the write up's or magazine articles I see never say anything other than just whatever brand transmission, rear and engine mounts a car is using and I never can see in any pictures if they're using the torque/front/lower mounts.

If cars pushing anywhere from 300-1200hp aren't using them, whether street, street/track or track only, then do they really need those mounts or are they more of a creature comfort? I'm currently running just the 3 stock mounts on my B18C SiR-G swapped EJ2, so i'm eager to hear more info.

NotARaCist

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The nature of the "pillowball" driver side motor mount necessitates torque mounts to prevent damage (to the mount, as well as the drivetrain) from a rotating engine. Replace that mount with a "solid-enough" (already talked about that on the last page) standard mount, and you don't need torque mounts.

Hasport

torque mounts are there to keep the engine from entering the driver compartment in the event of an accident. they will also keep the engine in place if the driver side mount/bracket happens to fail and will keep the transmission in place if the transmission mount happens to fail.




so 92-95 civic and 94-01 integra dont have a "pillowball' style driver mount? so why do they have torque mounts? why would HONDA manufacture cars with torque mounts if low and behold they arent needed as you say? wouldnt costs be reduced by leaving them off? you know since they arent needed. just because people on the internet do it and internet logic dictates it doesnt mean it is right

NotARaCist

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Holy ****, you actually think that's what torque mounts are for, and you sell mounts for a living? What they do is RIGHT in the name. They prevent the motor from rotating due to torque. As for 5G and Integra chassis', you're ignoring the important half of what I said. Or maybe you're trying to tell us that Honda ships those cars with a 75 or stronger poly (or equivalent) mount? I can't believe you sell mounts, and don't understand this super simple stuff.

ZLboosted_EG

makes me not even wanna buy Hasport mounts any more.....sad face

Hasport

you have answered none of the questions put forth. you just come back with "you make mounts and you dont know so you are an idiot"

i know people take them off and do whatever they want but that doesnt make it right. when you take them off stuff can and will happen. just because you get away with something for awhile or it hasnt happened to you doesnt mean it can or wont. for you to sit here and argue they arent needed is absolutely ridiculous.

your internet logic is mind boggling. i know exactly what torque mounts are for. the fact that you think you can just take them off and throw them away makes no sense at all.

so basically what you are saying is that you are smarter than the engineers HONDA employs?

ive given picture examples and explained what they are for. obviously the internets is going to win on this one and i know i know arguing on the internets is like running in the special olympics



sorry you feel that way but unfortunately internet trolling and internet logic will win every time

the typical honda-tech poster is smarter than all

turbohatch96y7

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Don't listen to the haterz bro.

They mad hasport has more #yolo #swag then their rice buckets.

Shoot me a quote on replacement inserts. I need to freshen up my mounts

ZLboosted_EG

Well how often do Hasport or any stiffer aftermarket mounts fail?
I understand a flimsy OEM mount, but a solid mount? Thought that torque mount was more for my a/c compressor?

wantboost

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this is 100% accurate... out of the entire mounting system the OEM torque mounts are the strongest. it's a failsafe against other mounts failing and given the direct and considerable mounting to the unibody frame rails it's the last defense against the motor relocating your legs into your lungs in a brutal head on impact.

although I've pretty much conceded to the fact that any sizeable impact in a car that small will hurt badly. hell I got hurt pretty bad in a truck accident in my ranger, damn near killed actually. I dread to think what would have happened if I had been in one of my smaller 2 door/seater cars.

although your father's insight crash scared the **** out of me, that was one hell of a cage... although in that instance nothing would keep the motor or any other bolted on part attached. glad he basically walked away though

Runnerdown

Hasport is correct in their statements.

Having stock mounts and not using torque mounts is dumb, been there done that. Also seen numerous times where goobers running without them wheel hop at the track and rip the bolts out of the engine block and takes chunks with it. Identical to the pics he posted.

phaphon

So you guys are saying it's okay to run them with aftermarket mounts right? Just trying to clarify

Runnerdown

Yes with the aftermarket mounts the torque mounts are not necessary.

wantboost

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^it depends entirely on how stiff the mounts are

phaphon

I got the stiffest hasport had an option on their site that I saw . It was full race mounts ?

NotARaCist

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Your question was already answered on the first page. Do a little reading. No, you don't need the torque mounts.