1ceman

Hello i have a problem i have a B18 turbo with darton sleeves.
I went a few days ago on the dyno and i got 700HP on the crankshaft.That's about 613 HP on the wheels, i have 630 Nw of torgue.
I pulled two runs on the street and everything was fine the boost was nice so i was happy.Got the car on the trailer and went home, put the car in the grage.the next day i wanted to check my fluids and saw that i had oil in my coolant.Can any one tell me what the problem is.

I'm scared that my sleeves dropped,or is the gasket of my head that is leaking.Cause if my sleeves dropped i have a huge problem what means that my whole has to come a part.

Hope that somebody had the same problem and can tell what it is.



specs of the engine. B18 turbo

JE pistons 8.5:1
Eagle rods
81.5 darton sleeves
Crankshaft balanced
ALC bearings
ARP studs bolted with 130 Nw ( for head lift)
Brian crower camshafts
Supertech valves and retainers
Golden eagle fuel rail
2200 cc of bosch injectors
Holset hx super 40 turbo charger
Twin scroll topmount manifold
2 Tial 44mm waste gates
Brian crower adjustable cam gears

Tuner Eddy

Is the car smoking at small?

xbigpitax

Sounds like a head gasket, sunk sleeve would be a lot of water in the oil pan check it out an pull the head....

Boost_allways

Can b head gasket or the o rings on the sleeves @ the bottom, if it's the o rings on the sleeves that's one of the reasons i chose GOLDEN EAGLE MFG to do my sleeving. Face reality homie what u r running from u just gotta do (pull that motor apart).

YZFR6

I have been running Darton sleeves since early 2000's never had an issue. It's NOT THE SLEEVES, it's whoever sleeved it. So who sleeved it? You should talk to them...

1ceman

okay thanks for the reactions, it's weird i have boost,the oil temp is okay , the oil presure is okay,i have checked my engine oil and thats clean.I know that i have to take the engine apart to check the gasket :-(
If the sleeved dropped i wouldent have boost right because you lose pressure in the engine?.Well when i take the head off i will see what te problem is.

1ceman

Car is not smoking, the smoke is normal not white

SPOOLINmatt

are you milkshaking the coolant?

1ceman

i almost have no oil in my engine it's in the little white reservoir next to your radiator it's full with oil and Coolant.

1ceman

and yes it's looks like a milkshake :-(

YellowBacteria1

head gasket
cracked head
cracked block


just throw it in the trash.

Darton

I love how people always blame the sleeve without understanding the concept of using o-rings in a sleeve. If o-rings are so bad then why does the majority of diesel trucks use them, Ferrari uses them, Porsche uses them, TRD uses them and just about every wet sleeve block uses them?

If it was the o-rings the cooling system has more pressure so the block would leak coolant into the oil, not the other way around how does oil travel up through 3 o-rings but no coolant? If the sleeves dropped same thing, you would have coolant in your oil and the head gasket would have blown. If the block was cracked you would have coolant in your oil. If you have oil in your coolant then it may be a head gaskets issue or cracked head. It would be rare if one of the oil galleys cracked into water.

you didnt mention which head gasket you were using? Are you sure you have the correct gasket for the block and head combination?

ahobbs

bingo.

1ceman

i'm not blaming the sleeves to be dropped, i'm just asking if anyone has ever had these problem. so yes it could help me. and i'm using original head gasket. i had a cometic head gasket and that **** was leaking like hell. i have a b18c block with b16 head.

1992Si

There you go.


We had the first set of darton sleeves that had one sleeve sink. We had our local shop put the sleeves in. It was there first time doing them in a 1.6L. Changed 5 HG's that summer but kept racing the car. (got to be on a first name basis with the girls at Cometic). Over the winter, pulled that block, sent it and another block to Darton and had them swap the sleeves.

Most likely its the install that's the problem.

1ceman

dude i from the netherlands it took me 2 years to Build the car and about 30.000 euro. It's not like in America where everything is cheap you guys got the good stuff. I have to buy everything in the USA and let it come over. So to say just throw it in the trash is a bit overrated.

MrParks

typically, the issue lands on the assembly.

Darton mid has a simple proven process to install sleeves, in which the machinist has a couple of options to choose from when installing the sleeves. some like to use the press fit method with o rings and some like to slip fit with o rings, and last, others like to go away with both and do epoxy press fit. (which we like) and none of which is the right or wrong way to install a sleeve. its all preference.

1. if your sleeves sank in the the block your machinist has no business machining anything, very rare do you see this occur with any reputable machinist specializing in sleeving.
2. do the simple procedures to find out why you think there is a problem. i.e pressure tests, comp tests, leakdowns, etc. very easy to do and piece of mind to know what really is going on.
3. keep the trouble shooting to a minimum. most effective way of finding the problem, easiest to hardest. assy of the motor without cleaning, using a dirty radiator in which already seen catastrophic engine failure, etc. are all ideas to keep in mind.

these problems occur when you the end user, need to understand the fundamentals of simple engine assy and or how tolerances work. if you do your homework, then you wouldnt need honda tech to answer all your questions you can find out for yourself, with peice of mind, and knowledge in continuing your enjoyment of racing. these are small problems you will face and the best way naturally is to learn the troubleshooting and how to diagnose problems on your own. it will make you a better racer, mechanic builder. so you can continue to enjoy your vehicle.

apply yourself, then you wont have to ask questions. be methodical and youll find out that prolly it wasnt anything but a dirty coolant res. lol it happens.

1ceman

Hello guys it's been a while but i know what the problem was with my engine, 2 off my sleeves dropped. so i took my engine to the machine shop who installed it. the guy was suprised that 2 sleeves dropped, he measured up the sleeves and they sunk by 0,06 mm each that's a lot. So he said he would fix it :-)
And so he did a hour later he had my engine ready and i was good to go. I put the engine togehter started the car en coolant was leaking at the front of my head :-(
So we got the car on road try to boost it and i spliced my radiator hose in half :-( there was coolant every where. Got the engine apart went back to the machine shop and yes you can gues this time 3 sleeves dropped. I told the man he was a shitty engine sleever he did my engine again and i sold the bottem end.

And then i a bought a Dart engine :-) and all my problems where gone Nottttttttttt :-(
At the first start the engine was leaking coolant i tought how the F...k is this possible. I bought a bullet proof engine ,sleeves cannot drop and here we go again pulled everything apart and yes 1 sleev dropped. Machined the bottem end. We put the engine together and now all the problems are gone. No leaking or coolant in oil. I took me 4 years to get every thing together for my car but now it's good. there is only one thing and thats the M&W pro 10 that i bought. have some installation issues :-)
But that is another story to tell ;-)

1HGEJ2

iTrader: (1)

This is a story hehe

SonicRacing1

at least you did'nt give up