Need help choosing Subwoofer
03-22-2010, 08:03 AM
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Re: Need help choosing Subwoofer
The speakers if there good to start with are more expensive then the amps, that being said i add it also depends on your application, are you in to comp or are you driveing around jammin? if your jammin protect your speaker and figure the amp to be (expendable) and say that on a if need be basis.
the whole thing with rateing is still choked under the amp fuse/voltage rule and from there it is what it is, the amp can not / will not put out more watts then the amp is fused for period !
the whole thing with rateing is still choked under the amp fuse/voltage rule and from there it is what it is, the amp can not / will not put out more watts then the amp is fused for period !
And I never said it wasn't choked by fuses.......that is the one thing you've said that I agree with
(YES) and again lets not forget what our goal is when putting the system together. if you running your amp wide open to get every last drop out of it then you may be in to comp ? dunno im saying that an every day car stereo would last and my systems living proof.
if you want to go to comp then differant ball park........
my statement rest in a car that is a dd car and looking for longevity plan it out simple and yes i underpower the speakers to a point , my speakers will handle what i put to them, lets not forget tuning is just as important to these stereos as tuning is to your motor after upgrades and in my experiance the speakers are whats gotta last in todays world in a everyday loud car stereo make your speakers be the anchor in your system
in a comp car over load the speakers and go for broke after that trophy. and recone as nessasary !
if you want to go to comp then differant ball park........
my statement rest in a car that is a dd car and looking for longevity plan it out simple and yes i underpower the speakers to a point , my speakers will handle what i put to them, lets not forget tuning is just as important to these stereos as tuning is to your motor after upgrades and in my experiance the speakers are whats gotta last in todays world in a everyday loud car stereo make your speakers be the anchor in your system
in a comp car over load the speakers and go for broke after that trophy. and recone as nessasary !
03-22-2010, 12:02 PM
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fosgates, matts ect... the speakers run more. i invested $599 each on the 12s when they came out, the amp was $699 so yes the speakers where more......
you wind up in a tomato-tamoto senario, and again clipping would depend on tuning.
you wind up in a tomato-tamoto senario, and again clipping would depend on tuning.
03-22-2010, 12:18 PM
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This just does not make sense. If the amp and the speakers are on the same level of quality, the speakers will be cheaper. Find me a sub and an amp on the same quality level where the sub is more.
there are several for comp... the rfl152 was a grand for one speaker, it was also designed to recone without removeing the basket from the box....i wounder why??? 170db speaker overdriven to win i supose.....but then again the sound quality dosnt matter in that sort of application....
And I never said it wasn't choked by fuses.......that is the one thing you've said that I agree with.
theres physics there lol
I don't think you have a firm grasp on the physics behind car audio. Especially clipping.
there are several for comp... the rfl152 was a grand for one speaker, it was also designed to recone without removeing the basket from the box....i wounder why??? 170db speaker overdriven to win i supose.....but then again the sound quality dosnt matter in that sort of application....
And I never said it wasn't choked by fuses.......that is the one thing you've said that I agree with.
theres physics there lol
I don't think you have a firm grasp on the physics behind car audio. Especially clipping.
if the speakers can handel even 20% more then the amp can push then why would it be bad if the almighty tuning was done correctly, clipping wouldnt be an issue. nor would the speaker be underdriven.
i think this op wants a system to jam day to day , im done anyways choose wizely sorry for the thread hike...
03-22-2010, 01:51 PM
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Re: Need help choosing Subwoofer
(clipping) its all about tuning......if i was an installer and wanting repeat buisness and was looking to sell speakers often enuff id say set everyones stereo up as a competition car to push the speakers to there peak and sit back and sell speakers......bring money.
if the speakers can handel even 20% more then the amp can push then why would it be bad if the almighty tuning was done correctly, clipping wouldnt be an issue. nor would the speaker be underdriven.
i think this op wants a system to jam day to day , im done anyways choose wizely sorry for the thread hike...
if the speakers can handel even 20% more then the amp can push then why would it be bad if the almighty tuning was done correctly, clipping wouldnt be an issue. nor would the speaker be underdriven.
i think this op wants a system to jam day to day , im done anyways choose wizely sorry for the thread hike...
I give up, you're just not getting it......
OP get the DCON and don't look back.
03-22-2010, 05:17 PM
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Re: Need help choosing Subwoofer
dcon is probably the best sub to get in that price and wattage range. if u wanna step it up to 5-600 watts, look at the incriminator audio lethal injection for 189.
Underpowering a sub is fine IF you set the gains properly and don't jack them up to make up for power you don't have. i personally like headroom in my amps so they don't try to overwork themselves. for the average guy, that dcon in a low tuned ported box should get loud, low, and sound amazing..granted the box is built right.
Underpowering a sub is fine IF you set the gains properly and don't jack them up to make up for power you don't have. i personally like headroom in my amps so they don't try to overwork themselves. for the average guy, that dcon in a low tuned ported box should get loud, low, and sound amazing..granted the box is built right.
03-22-2010, 07:28 PM
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Re: Need help choosing Subwoofer
Like I said, far more speakers are damaged when underpowered then when overpowered, in both DD systems and full blown competition systems, [SPL and SQ] take my word for it, I have been replacing blown speakers in cars for over 35 years, and it is the underpowered systems that take out the most speakers by far, from tweeters to subs.
The OP has an amp that will make 1x300W RMS into 2 ohms, I would suggest he look for a 200W sub, something like a JL Audio 10WX, a 200W sub that will get you an F3 of 48Hz, in a .625cuft (net) sealed box, and with that amp, the OP would get nice tight accurate bass with gobs of dynamic headroom and unless he does so on purpose, he will never drive that amp into constant clipping, service life of the speaker should be very good.
I do agree that tuning a system is critical to it's performance and reliability, but no more so then the install itself.
This is not an SPL competition system, not with 300W RMS, and my guess, from what OP has said, it is not a competition system of any kind and just a DD, let's keep it simple, good sounding and reliable. 94
The OP has an amp that will make 1x300W RMS into 2 ohms, I would suggest he look for a 200W sub, something like a JL Audio 10WX, a 200W sub that will get you an F3 of 48Hz, in a .625cuft (net) sealed box, and with that amp, the OP would get nice tight accurate bass with gobs of dynamic headroom and unless he does so on purpose, he will never drive that amp into constant clipping, service life of the speaker should be very good.
I do agree that tuning a system is critical to it's performance and reliability, but no more so then the install itself.
This is not an SPL competition system, not with 300W RMS, and my guess, from what OP has said, it is not a competition system of any kind and just a DD, let's keep it simple, good sounding and reliable. 94
03-23-2010, 06:32 AM
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Re: Need help choosing Subwoofer
as several has said its all about the tune or else my 12s would have bit the dust long ago for sure.
2 power hx2 12 = 1000w rms and 2000w peak each
1 bd1500.1 = is really only 1500w at 2ohm load
.i can double my amps and rewire the speakers with ease to push em but the thing is loud enuff as it is. that bd1500 in the dc2 blurrs my vision and im only half way there on the volume. no where near clipping not even close...
personally id buy a bad *** set of speakers and tune the amps to run them clean without a clip. wanna push harder later sell your amp to a freind and upgrade without spending all over again for better speakers later...as i said in dd system the speaker is the investment
2 power hx2 12 = 1000w rms and 2000w peak each
1 bd1500.1 = is really only 1500w at 2ohm load
.i can double my amps and rewire the speakers with ease to push em but the thing is loud enuff as it is. that bd1500 in the dc2 blurrs my vision and im only half way there on the volume. no where near clipping not even close...
personally id buy a bad *** set of speakers and tune the amps to run them clean without a clip. wanna push harder later sell your amp to a freind and upgrade without spending all over again for better speakers later...as i said in dd system the speaker is the investment
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