WinniPeg 89 Ef

going to do the lsvtec thang
shooting for 180 whp you guys think its duable with this set up?

Ill be buying a buddys right of hatch that has a gsr block b16a head so ill have all the parts just not the things that are not on the motor.

GSR block with LS crank and rods with the honda B Series GEM Oil Squirter Plug Set

And i wont need the lsvtec kit bc its a gsr vtec block with a b16 vtec head

So the price will be alot lower going gsrblock ls crack 290$ for the lsvtec kit or 15$ for the plugs and will give me higher torq, leaveing me more money for other shuff Too.

- npr pr3 b16 pistons (USDM B16A) / npr rings ( Static Comp 11.96 )
- gsr oil pump / gsr water pump / gsr gsr timeing belt
- b16a head / type r cams / (maybe blocks retainers and springs)
- GSR ARP head studs
- ACL LS bearings
- new spark plugs
- 2.5 inch full rsr / dc header 4/2/1 / air intake
- 8grand revs
- obd1 base tune on crome pro


let me know what yall think

TheShodan

iTrader: (14)

Sounds fine. Did something like that a couple years ago. Just with forged components instead.

mouab18c1

iTrader: (5)

Sounds more like a poormans R than a ls/vtec.

You actually need a ls block for it to be considered a ls/vtec.

WinniPeg 89 Ef

Also what would i get more power/better out of - gsr block like what i have already put with type r cams, spring and retainers
theres a few ways i could go with this build

- gsr block gsr crack/rods b16 head b16 pistons type R cams spring and retainers

- b18b1 block stock rods b16 pistons b16 head type R cams spring and retainers



Thanks for the coments guys

Dom93

you have a poormans type R

lsvtec is getting a non vtec block (b20's, b18a1/b1) and putting a vtec head on it..

Poormans Type R can put down an easy 180hp if built and tuned right!

daveedd357

Sounds like an ls/vtec to me with a stronger block. Go for it!!!

Dom93

ls block+ vtec head=ls/vtec
gsr block+ b16 head= Poormans type R

just because its a strong block doesnt make it an ls/vtec, it means its just a gsr block with a b16 head!

TheShodan

iTrader: (14)

Its not a matter of a power difference. The difference is in the ease of build and the components used. You still need the correct pistons, cylinder head work, machining and tuning to get the "power".

For example:

Pros:
-OEM Block Girdle for higher rpm protection
-Slightly lower deck height - small increase in compression
-Use of a VTEC head gasket, no need to use LS/VTEC kit, or tap the head for any reason
-All replacment parts from B16 head to B18C block is around the same. no hybridization

Cons:
-If using LS Crank, Oil squirters must be removed ("bending" them out of the way, seldom works)
-Pay more careful attention to the piston you use because of the reduced deck height

Pros:
-No need to worry about oil squirters at all
-Taller deck height, easier to find LS/VTEC exact compression matches
-Pistons are already available for LS/VTEC setups.

Cons:
-Must use LS/VTEC kit to supply oil to the head (extra cost)
-Must ensure to use the correct head gasket (non-vtec)
-Must ensure block has the correct dowels to fit the VTEC head
-No OEM block girdle


You still need to address cams (OEM won't make a lot of top end power, but are very linear for road racing), valvetrain, etc for the cylinder head.

Dom93

i like this! close to what im talking about!

WinniPeg 89 Ef

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Yes thats why im thinking stick with the gsr block seeing as ill have it and wont need lsvtec kit and for the gsr block Oil Squirters ill get Honda B Series GEM Oil Squirter Plug Set only like 15$ and ill be useing pr3 pistons

And type R cams spring and retainers ill get them for 300 of a buddy and its only a dd/ street car/ weekend drag car, dont feel like spending 1000-1500 on a head build lol

Reduced deck height? the gsr block deck height is 212.39 and the b18b deck height is 211.84 lol = Piston to Deck Height (GSR) 0.035 inches (LS)over a 0.013 inches

so pr3 will be just fine and should be upwords of Static Comp Ratio of 11.26: 1 also with the gsr crank the stroke will be 87.20 and with ls crank and rods 89.00 so its almost like a stroker kit whitch will add Displacement and like 5 more tq.

sic_boyy

hi guys,im thinking to make a small nice tuning similar like lsV . I just need some advice from who knows,my setup is....

b18c block
b18b1 crank
rods type r (b18c) or...(u have any option)
YCP high comp pistons 82mm
top fuel clutch kit+flywheel
high comp head gasket
b16a head
skunk2 st2 na camshaft+cam gears
skunk2 over size valve 0.5 forget
blox intake
66mm type R t/b
280cc injectors
oem fuel rail
AEM air intake
255 walbro fuel pump
4/2/1 DC header
custom made twin exhaust sistem...
olso im curious ,around how many whp i can rich with an apexi power fc and with oem ecu...thanks

FlewByU352

I'd probably kill myself if I actually tore something a part, changed internals from top to bottom, and didn't make at least 110WHP/L.

nealnanoHX

Ok I understand the reasoning behind using the LS rods and crank in the GSR block, for a slightly longer stroke but not much. But why block off the piston oil squirters?? They help cool the pistons and help lubricate at higher rpms. Was there a issues with the crank hitting the squirters??

doood

iTrader: (1)

that's usually the case. forged internals wont need them.

TheShodan

iTrader: (14)

LS cranks will cause the piston skirts to hit the oil squirters. Engine can still run fine without them, they're more of a "luxury" like heated seats. but if running forged pistons, no need for them.

sic_boyy

at the moment all the things ar not together everything down...